Are You Rapture Ready?

[Psalm1]

No. The ark was likened to baptism in water, just as the scriptures record:

18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.
It's Christ's heavenly authority that preserves us through tribulation.

And to be thorough, water baptism is an immersion into the death of Christ Jesus:

"Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death..."

The promise of which, and God cannot lie, is a new life:

"..that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
and
"For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7For he who has died has been freed from sin."
Some might say: "water baptism saves us to go to heaven". No. Water baptism saves us from a conscience that opposes God. For through water, we may live today free from condemnation. That's what Paul writes (this is for today):

"Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace."

Ironically, those who practice the law are claiming that sin still "reigns in their mortal bodies." They are the most unclean people, not just because they live with a sin-conscience but because by practicing the law they are actively rejecting the work of Christ on their behalf. But that's another thread...

What point are you making?
Noah was not gathered into the ark pretrib?
The ark is not a type of Heaven?
The flood does not represent the 7 yr trib?

I have no idea why those verses would erase other verses.

 

[BBerean]

In a nutshell shell , John 17 great read . Verses 14- 20 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world , but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil ! Jesus is our Ark as I see it !

Matthew 7 v24-27 And the rain descended, and the floods came , and the winds blew, and beat upon that house ; and it fell not : for it was founded upon a rock ….. Jesus is our Rock as well !

 

[Aaron56]

What point are you making?
Noah was not gathered into the ark pretrib?
The ark is not a type of Heaven?
The flood does not represent the 7 yr trib?

I have no idea why those verses would erase other verses.

The ark corresponds to our baptism in water, like the scriptures say, not heaven like you asserted.

You don't even have to apologize. Just go on with the correct information.

 

[Edify]

I can't get over what I'm hearing. Who's right when 2 argue? NOBODY, because christians are supposed to love one another. That's how Jesus said they would know we are brethren by our love for one another.
I believe pre-trib. Is it going to trip me up if it isn't? At worst, I would have to repent.
Would my Father forgive me? He sure will. The one thing I will have to hold to is that His GRACE is sufficient for me. EITHER WAY, I'll have to do that.
IS GOD POWERFUL ENOUGH TO KEEP THOSE THAT ARE HIS THRU THE TRIBULATION?!?
HE SURE IS.
It's never been about whether you're right or not..... It's about whether His Grace is enough... & it is. So can we pleeeze put this to rest & pray for one another that we be forgiven & ready for Christ's coming..... whenever it is.

 

[Lovette]

Lol
You don't know what you are talking about.
There is zero resurrection in rev 14:14

Like i said...stop that behavior.
I called you out and you did your same personal attack..
You need to take a break.
I am here for concept vs concept.
Not your goofy personal punching bag silliness
You come across with animosity against your brother.
Get a bible, get honest about it and let's go.

You come across with animosity against God's holy words. No resurrection, no rapture.

 

[Psalm1]

You come across with animosity against God's holy words. No resurrection, no rapture.

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
No way around it.
The resurrection at the rapture Is only the dead in christ.

The point is, that all posribbers Are missing is that there is a gathering in revelation, 14 and verse 14 with no resurrection in it. And it is just amazing how it follows. A 144001st fruit ethnic Jews.
There HAS TO BE a tiny amount of connecting the dots.
Just a tiny amount.
That is WHY no postribber can discern the 144,000.
If they are ACTUALLY firstfruits, and ACTUALL ethnic Jews, THE ENTIRE postrib doctrine is FOREVER ruined.

Well they are ethnic Jews.
They are 144,000
And they are firstfruit ethnic Jews.

Hard to honestly destroy what it says

But it is survival.
In order for a postrib rapture doctrine to survive, those components MUST BE REFRAMED.

Why such animosity against God's word???

 

[Psalm1]

I can't get over what I'm hearing. Who's right when 2 argue? NOBODY, because christians are supposed to love one another. That's how Jesus said they would know we are brethren by our love for one another.
I believe pre-trib. Is it going to trip me up if it isn't? At worst, I would have to repent.
Would my Father forgive me? He sure will. The one thing I will have to hold to is that His GRACE is sufficient for me. EITHER WAY, I'll have to do that.
IS GOD POWERFUL ENOUGH TO KEEP THOSE THAT ARE HIS THRU THE TRIBULATION?!?
HE SURE IS.
It's never been about whether you're right or not..... It's about whether His Grace is enough... & it is. So can we pleeeze put this to rest & pray for one another that we be forgiven & ready for Christ's coming..... whenever it is.

Maybe shut down the entire board if no discussion is allowed.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

I one time was crushed by the people I knew all around me. That night I went to sleep with great depression, I was very very sad. In the dream I had asked God what was going to happen to me as I was leaving the my those people and crossing the road back home. Then suddenly, I was lifted up into the air and was being taken away to heaven. It made me feel much better, despite the fact I was a heathen.

I have been there. Thankyou for sharing.

 

[Omegatime]

A worldwide event coming in an instant as two are in a bed and two are in the field.

Daytime and Night time event

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I'm about ready to put you on ignore. I don't have time to deal with someone so dogmatic they now think they can speak for God. I'm not in, nor has God, ever put His kids through His wrath as in the GT. Why you want to make our perfect Father of Love out to bring down His wrath upon His Church, I have no words for. My earthly father would never even do such a thing. As in the following Word, if believers are here, as with Noah, we will be lifted up or caught up and away from God's punishment/wrath upon the world.​

You keep willfully defining the gt as God’s wrath, when He doesn't. So be it.

If you don't want to accept His definition differences between His wrath and satan's tribulation in His word, He will show you in real life when the gt is here and He doesn't rapture you out. Then you will see and experience the difference. And without building up your faith in Christ to endure, you'll give in to the pressure of taking the mark.

After taking the mark, for a short time, you are going to feel safe and smug while all the genuine Christians refuse the mark and are beheaded. But that smugness won't last. You’ll start to itch where your mark is. And it will get worse.

That itching will become sore and very painful. You'll want to die but won't be able to. So when Lord Jesus comes back AFTER the tribulation of those day, you'll definitly know the difference, but it will be too late for you.

So just accept that Jesus said He will come back to collect us at the last day. Accept that you will go through the gt and build up your faith in Christ to endure in Him to the end. It is better to die for Jesus than give your allegiance to satan by giving in and taking the mark.

You can put me on ignore, but this is for everyone too. All God's people are getting ready by building up their faith in Christ to endure in Him and stay faithful to Him. Most know they will die for Him, but dying for Him by refusing the mark will just send them safely home to Him even before His return.

Let this song give everyone who hopes in Jesus, something to look forward to in their death....

TobyMac - Heaven On My Mind (Official Music Video)

When this world's behind me
And my days are all through
You try and find me
I'll try and find You
When this world's behind me
And we see it's all true
You'll know where to find me
I know that I'll find You in Heaven
I'll come and find You in Heaven

​

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[Psalm1]

You keep willfully defining the gt as God’s wrath, when He doesn't. So be it.

If you don't want to accept His definition differences between His wrath and satan's tribulation in His word, He will show you in real life when the gt is here and He doesn't rapture you out. Then you will see and experience the difference. And without building up your faith in Christ to endure, you'll give in to the pressure of taking the mark.

After taking the mark, for a short time, you are going to feel safe and smug while all the genuine Christians refuse the mark and are beheaded. But that smugness won't last. You’ll start to itch where your mark is. And it will get worse.

That itching will become sore and very painful. You'll want to die but won't be able to. So when Lord Jesus comes back AFTER the tribulation of those day, you'll definitly know the difference, but it will be too late for you.

So just accept that Jesus said He will come back to collect us at the last day. Accept that you will go through the gt and build up your faith in Christ to endure in Him to the end. It is better to die for Jesus than give your allegiance to satan by giving in and taking the mark.

You can put me on ignore, but this is for everyone too. All God's people are getting ready by building up their faith in Christ to endure in Him and stay faithful to Him. Most know they will die for Him, but dying for Him by refusing the mark will just send them safely home to Him even before His return.

Let this song give everyone who hopes in Jesus, something to look forward to in their death....

TobyMac - Heaven On My Mind (Official Music Video)

When this world's behind me
And my days are all through
You try and find me
I'll try and find You
When this world's behind me
And we see it's all true
You'll know where to find me
I know that I'll find You in Heaven
I'll come and find You in Heaven

​

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Mat 24.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

He comes in power and great glory I'm Rev 19.
That is your "after wrath" time frame.
"After wrath" Jesus returns.

Now remember you guys have a one coming belief.

But only one place Jesus comes in power and great glory is AFTER THE WRATH IN REV 19.
That is the ONLY PLACE he comes in power and great glory.
( in judgement as a warrior, and in vengeance)

Well JESUS SAID "THAT WAS AFTER THE TRIB"

BY YOUR OWN DOCTRINE , JESUS INTERCHANGED, "wrath", and "trib".

See that????
"After the trib, he comes in power and great glory"

Trib and wrath used INTERCHANGEABLY BY JESUS.

Yet another postrib theory debunked.

 

[Psalm1]

You keep willfully defining the gt as God’s wrath, when He doesn't. So be it.

If you don't want to accept His definition differences between His wrath and satan's tribulation in His word, He will show you in real life when the gt is here and He doesn't rapture you out. Then you will see and experience the difference. And without building up your faith in Christ to endure, you'll give in to the pressure of taking the mark.

After taking the mark, for a short time, you are going to feel safe and smug while all the genuine Christians refuse the mark and are beheaded. But that smugness won't last. You’ll start to itch where your mark is. And it will get worse.

That itching will become sore and very painful. You'll want to die but won't be able to. So when Lord Jesus comes back AFTER the tribulation of those day, you'll definitly know the difference, but it will be too late for you.

So just accept that Jesus said He will come back to collect us at the last day. Accept that you will go through the gt and build up your faith in Christ to endure in Him to the end. It is better to die for Jesus than give your allegiance to satan by giving in and taking the mark.

You can put me on ignore, but this is for everyone too. All God's people are getting ready by building up their faith in Christ to endure in Him and stay faithful to Him. Most know they will die for Him, but dying for Him by refusing the mark will just send them safely home to Him even before His return.

Let this song give everyone who hopes in Jesus, something to look forward to in their death....

TobyMac - Heaven On My Mind (Official Music Video)

When this world's behind me
And my days are all through
You try and find me
I'll try and find You
When this world's behind me
And we see it's all true
You'll know where to find me
I know that I'll find You in Heaven
I'll come and find You in Heaven

​

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Build up faith?
How exactly are you doing it?

 

[faithlife]

You keep willfully defining the gt as God’s wrath, when He doesn't. So be it.

If you don't want to accept His definition differences between His wrath and satan's tribulation in His word, He will show you in real life when the gt is here and He doesn't rapture you out. Then you will see and experience the difference. And without building up your faith in Christ to endure, you'll give in to the pressure of taking the mark.

After taking the mark, for a short time, you are going to feel safe and smug while all the genuine Christians refuse the mark and are beheaded. But that smugness won't last. You’ll start to itch where your mark is. And it will get worse.

That itching will become sore and very painful. You'll want to die but won't be able to. So when Lord Jesus comes back AFTER the tribulation of those day, you'll definitly know the difference, but it will be too late for you.

So just accept that Jesus said He will come back to collect us at the last day. Accept that you will go through the gt and build up your faith in Christ to endure in Him to the end. It is better to die for Jesus than give your allegiance to satan by giving in and taking the mark.

You can put me on ignore, but this is for everyone too. All God's people are getting ready by building up their faith in Christ to endure in Him and stay faithful to Him. Most know they will die for Him, but dying for Him by refusing the mark will just send them safely home to Him even before His return.

Let this song give everyone who hopes in Jesus, something to look forward to in their death....

TobyMac - Heaven On My Mind (Official Music Video)

When this world's behind me
And my days are all through
You try and find me
I'll try and find You
When this world's behind me
And we see it's all true
You'll know where to find me
I know that I'll find You in Heaven
I'll come and find You in Heaven

​

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Are you mixing up some fantasy game scenario with the end times and putting me in as one of your characters? Oy vey.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Are you mixing up some fantasy game scenario with the end times and putting me in as one of your characters? Oy vey.

No. For some reason that I don't know, you just don't want to accept what God says in the Bible, that He won't be gathering us until after the gt, and that we need to build up our faith in Him so that we don't fall away from Him when the antichrist takes away our ability to buy and sell in this world.

If you don't want to do what God tells you to do in the Bible to protect your faith (which is His main concern - not your comfortable lifestyle), He's not going to go out of His will to rapture you before the gt like you hope.

So this message isn't just for you. It's for everyone, that we all really need to be strong enough in the Lord during the gt and endure. We need to be strong enough to resist taking the mark and worship the antichrist.

Because the pressure to take the mark won't just come from the government, but from our well-meaning family and friends who don't know the Lord. It will also come from the social pressure of the world.

I remember all the videos on YouTube that tried to humiliate and ridicule the people who won't wear masks or refused to take the vaccine.

Our family and friends who don't know God will probably make the strongest appeal to us to take the mark. They won't understand why you would refuse it and would rather die to stay faithful to God. This is why we have to build up our endurance in Christ - not only to say no to the antichrist, his one-world government and religion, and to society at large, but no to our families and friends who love us.

For me, they would be my greatest temptation to take the mark. But it is God who made me. My main purpose for existing is to live for Him and with Him. And He went through so much trouble just to save me. How could I turn away from Him just to please my family and friends?

The same question will be aimed at you too. So really think about this and build up your faith now to withstand the coming opposition.


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[Psalm1]

No. For some reason that I don't know, you just don't want to accept what God says in the Bible, that He won't be gathering us until after the gt, and that we need to build up our faith in Him so that we don't fall away from Him when the antichrist takes away our ability to buy and sell in this world.

If you don't want to do what God tells you to do in the Bible to protect your faith (which is His main concern - not your comfortable lifestyle), He's not going to go out of His will to rapture you before the gt like you hope.

So this message isn't just for you. It's for everyone, that we all really need to be strong enough in the Lord during the gt and endure. We need to be strong enough to resist taking the mark and worship the antichrist.

Because the pressure to take the mark won't just come from the government, but from our well-meaning family and friends who don't know the Lord. It will also come from the social pressure of the world.

I remember all the videos on YouTube that tried to humiliate and ridicule the people who won't wear masks or refused to take the vaccine.

Our family and friends who don't know God will probably make the strongest appeal to us to take the mark. They won't understand why you would refuse it and would rather die to stay faithful to God. This is why we have to build up our endurance in Christ - not only to say no to the antichrist, his one-world government and religion, and to society at large, but no to our families and friends who love us.

For me, they would be my greatest temptation to take the mark. But it is God who made me. My main purpose for existing is to live for Him and with Him. And He went through so much trouble just to save me. How could I turn away from Him just to please my family and friends?

The same question will be aimed at you too. So really think about this and build up your faith now to withstand the coming opposition.


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17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Postrib doctrine:
" Nope, He ain't coming.
The OTHER ONE on the white horse is coming.
The trib is coming.
The mark is coming.
Suffering is coming

......but no Jesus.
In fact look at those fools saying you are coming.
What a joke."

Hide and watch HE IS COMING .
Like the bible says.

The bible:
Jesus is coming
Watch and be ready.

Postribbers;
"No no no, the devil man is coming.
Watch and be ready."

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Postrib doctrine:
" Nope, He ain't coming.
The OTHER ONE on the white horse is coming.
The trib is coming.
The mark is coming.
Suffering is coming

......but no Jesus.
In fact look at those fools saying you are coming.
What a joke."

Hide and watch HE IS COMING .
Like the bible says.

The bible:
Jesus is coming
Watch and be ready.

Postribbers;
"No no no, the devil man is coming.
Watch and be ready."

You know, you can build up your faith in Christ to endure while you wait for your imaginary pre-trib rapture. Why does it have to be one or the other?

Afraid God won't pick you up if you do?


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[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Hey everone:

When do you think the antichrist will be revealed? I think it's when the "agreement with many" is done (which I think will be the two-state solution for Israel) and the Jews are allowed to do their daily sacrifices.

How about you?


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[faithlife]

No. For some reason that I don't know, you just don't want to accept what God says in the Bible, that He won't be gathering us until after the gt, and that we need to build up our faith in Him so that we don't fall away from Him when the antichrist takes away our ability to buy and sell in this world.

If you don't want to do what God tells you to do in the Bible to protect your faith (which is His main concern - not your comfortable lifestyle), He's not going to go out of His will to rapture you before the gt like you hope.

So this message isn't just for you. It's for everyone, that we all really need to be strong enough in the Lord during the gt and endure. We need to be strong enough to resist taking the mark and worship the antichrist.

Because the pressure to take the mark won't just come from the government, but from our well-meaning family and friends who don't know the Lord. It will also come from the social pressure of the world.

I remember all the videos on YouTube that tried to humiliate and ridicule the people who won't wear masks or refused to take the vaccine.

Our family and friends who don't know God will probably make the strongest appeal to us to take the mark. They won't understand why you would refuse it and would rather die to stay faithful to God. This is why we have to build up our endurance in Christ - not only to say no to the antichrist, his one-world government and religion, and to society at large, but no to our families and friends who love us.

For me, they would be my greatest temptation to take the mark. But it is God who made me. My main purpose for existing is to live for Him and with Him. And He went through so much trouble just to save me. How could I turn away from Him just to please my family and friends?

The same question will be aimed at you too. So really think about this and build up your faith now to withstand the coming opposition.


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I AM building up my faith to be worthy like Noah and get lifted up and OUT of God's punishment on the world, the GT. If your faith is to go through it you'll need more than bows and arrows.

 

[Amargosa]

Hey everone:

When do you think the antichrist will be revealed? I think it's when the "agreement with many" is done (which I think will be the two-state solution for Israel) and the Jews are allowed to do their daily sacrifices.

How about you?


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IMHO, the Antichrist is the Islamic 12th Imam. When he signs a seven year peace deal with Israel, he will be known.

BTW - Gaza was the two state solution. Israel gave up their posession of Gaza for peace. Look what it got them.

 

[Ceph]

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
No way around it.
The resurrection at the rapture Is only the dead in christ.

The point is, that all posribbers Are missing is that there is a gathering in revelation, 14 and verse 14 with no resurrection in it. And it is just amazing how it follows. A 144001st fruit ethnic Jews.
There HAS TO BE a tiny amount of connecting the dots.
Just a tiny amount.
That is WHY no postribber can discern the 144,000.
If they are ACTUALLY firstfruits, and ACTUALL ethnic Jews, THE ENTIRE postrib doctrine is FOREVER ruined.

Well they are ethnic Jews.
They are 144,000
And they are firstfruit ethnic Jews.

Hard to honestly destroy what it says

But it is survival.
In order for a postrib rapture doctrine to survive, those components MUST BE REFRAMED.

Why such animosity against God's word???

The 144,000 are blameless people who have no lie in their mouths; meaning, they don't speak ignorantly about things they don't know about. They also follow Christ wherever he goes.

Jesus says no one on earth or in heaven knows the day and hour of His coming, whether it's in the 'morning', in the 'evening', or 'at midnight', except God alone. We are to watch and observe his commandment.

Luke 12:35—
“Let your waist be dressed and your lamps burning. Be like men watching for their lord when he returns from the wedding feast, that when he comes and knocks, they may immediately open to him. Blessed are those servants whom the lord will find watching when he comes. Most certainly I tell you that he will dress himself, make them recline, and will come and serve them. They will be blessed if he comes in the second or third watch and finds them so. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what hour the thief was coming, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore be ready also, for the Son of Man is coming in an hour that you don’t expect him.”
Peter said to him, “Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everybody?”
The Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise steward, whom his lord will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the right times? Blessed is that servant whom his lord will find doing so when he comes. Truly I tell you that he will set him over all that he has. But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My lord delays his coming,’ and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and to be drunken, then the lord of that servant will come in a day when he isn’t expecting him and in an hour that he doesn’t know, and will cut him in two, and place his portion with the unfaithful. That servant who knew his lord’s will, and didn’t prepare nor do what he wanted, will be beaten with many stripes, but he who didn’t know, and did things worthy of stripes, will be beaten with few stripes. To whomever much is given, of him will much be required; and to whom much was entrusted, of him more will be asked.