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i had a thought in my head I was going to share but then i read your strawman comment and got distracted laughing.....
ok. I see your distinction of Worship music and "Christian music"
though I wouldn't call it. the money tours and the power and prestige could corrupt their hearts and make them forget who they are singing for: GOD and often some may not even be born again but just mouthing it. However I think we should pray for those musicians and if it is what God calls them to do it would be a great way to encourage and comfort people with God's words.
Most of the songs I like are the ones that include a lot of Bible verses and references. I don't really understand what the hard core music is singing but others say they can.
most are not pretending to reach the lost but to worship and praise God and comfort those in the fold.
you have to realize that many of the churches of the bands you speak about are seeker sensitive and they have more issues than the music being played during their worship services. the music is just a manifestation of the spirit of accomodation in those type of churches. when people take a survey about how to make pagans and nonbelievers more comfortable you know there are going to be issues with that church for they are sacrificing the message of Jesus Christ to fill seats.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not suppose to be comfortable. It is not suppose to conform to the world. It is suppose to show the world its sin and their need for a savior. their need to love others and show patience and kindness and think beyond their selfish desires to understand the love and lordship of GOD. To be a friend to the world is to be an enemy to God. Church is not to fulfill people's desire for entertainment but to nourish the soul and teach them about what it truly mean to live a life of sacrifice and love. music can be comforting and God tells us to speak to one another in spiritual hymns and songs of comfort, but at the same time the focus should not be on music but God.
its hard to say, but I love music, even secular music because it conveys emotions of the one singing and allows you to feel what they are feeling. even the bad songs allows you to pray for that lost soul who is in such torment that they have such anger and hatred for the world, or the ones who promote sin you can pray that others who are listening may be convicted of their sin and turn from it to God.
I tend to zone out and pray if it gets to explicit though and when my friends ask me what I think of the song I tell them I was praying for the songwriter....which is sometimes offensive to some of them, but I guess that makes us even since I found some of the songs and movies they shared me as somewhat offensive in general. American Pie still makes me recoil. I just don't get the appeal of it.
ok. I see your distinction of Worship music and "Christian music"
though I wouldn't call it. the money tours and the power and prestige could corrupt their hearts and make them forget who they are singing for: GOD and often some may not even be born again but just mouthing it. However I think we should pray for those musicians and if it is what God calls them to do it would be a great way to encourage and comfort people with God's words.
Most of the songs I like are the ones that include a lot of Bible verses and references. I don't really understand what the hard core music is singing but others say they can.
most are not pretending to reach the lost but to worship and praise God and comfort those in the fold.
you have to realize that many of the churches of the bands you speak about are seeker sensitive and they have more issues than the music being played during their worship services. the music is just a manifestation of the spirit of accomodation in those type of churches. when people take a survey about how to make pagans and nonbelievers more comfortable you know there are going to be issues with that church for they are sacrificing the message of Jesus Christ to fill seats.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not suppose to be comfortable. It is not suppose to conform to the world. It is suppose to show the world its sin and their need for a savior. their need to love others and show patience and kindness and think beyond their selfish desires to understand the love and lordship of GOD. To be a friend to the world is to be an enemy to God. Church is not to fulfill people's desire for entertainment but to nourish the soul and teach them about what it truly mean to live a life of sacrifice and love. music can be comforting and God tells us to speak to one another in spiritual hymns and songs of comfort, but at the same time the focus should not be on music but God.
its hard to say, but I love music, even secular music because it conveys emotions of the one singing and allows you to feel what they are feeling. even the bad songs allows you to pray for that lost soul who is in such torment that they have such anger and hatred for the world, or the ones who promote sin you can pray that others who are listening may be convicted of their sin and turn from it to God.
I tend to zone out and pray if it gets to explicit though and when my friends ask me what I think of the song I tell them I was praying for the songwriter....which is sometimes offensive to some of them, but I guess that makes us even since I found some of the songs and movies they shared me as somewhat offensive in general. American Pie still makes me recoil. I just don't get the appeal of it.
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I'm with you Rissa, I love my christian music, and when it has been anoited by the Holy Spirit, you just don't get any better than that. If you don't believe me then go to jimmy swaggart ministries and click on sonlife network, The singing they do will touch your heart.
Make a joyful noise unto the Lord.
Make a joyful noise unto the Lord.
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So, what should I listen to if I can't listen to "christian music" or secular music? (I wrote a whole bunch of crap trying to defend the bands I listen too... ) But whatever is typed won't really matter to you, Rainacorn. This unholy little spawn will just apply another random post...
But... the PERFECT band suggestion would be nice.
But... the PERFECT band suggestion would be nice.
amen lil_christian! <3
rainacorn. i believe you are looking solely at the commercialization of the music industry and saying all these things under the banner of "God can't be marketed"
but i believe you are failing to see the big picture. and that is that there is a need for all kinds of music. and it must be produced. if the secular artists were the only ones making movies and music, then christianity would be absent in a HUGE ARENA the basically shapes this generation.
now the christian movie AND music industry is not as high quality as the secular stuff. there is more money in the secular world. but at LEAST they're trying.
rainacorn. i believe you are looking solely at the commercialization of the music industry and saying all these things under the banner of "God can't be marketed"
but i believe you are failing to see the big picture. and that is that there is a need for all kinds of music. and it must be produced. if the secular artists were the only ones making movies and music, then christianity would be absent in a HUGE ARENA the basically shapes this generation.
now the christian movie AND music industry is not as high quality as the secular stuff. there is more money in the secular world. but at LEAST they're trying.
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so you are calling for discernment when it comes to music even if it is labeled "christian" it may not be preaching the Gospel message but a scam to make money?
mmm well the same can be said about some churches who claim to be Christian but are not and are just there to make money from undiscerning sheep.
mmm well the same can be said about some churches who claim to be Christian but are not and are just there to make money from undiscerning sheep.
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Finally someone admitting that young minds are impressionable!!!!!
They absolutely are. You have to be very careful about what you put in there!!!!
It literally is all the same until you apply some discernment. You have to think about things and make decisions. That's what I am wanting people to do here. It's not automatically evil because it is secular and it isn't automatically of God just because it's labeled as Christian.
Do you understand this?
They absolutely are. You have to be very careful about what you put in there!!!!
It literally is all the same until you apply some discernment. You have to think about things and make decisions. That's what I am wanting people to do here. It's not automatically evil because it is secular and it isn't automatically of God just because it's labeled as Christian.
Do you understand this?
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sure as long as you don't turn off your brain and you are thinking of it as God would want you to view the words and the ideas that are presented.
You can't always control your surroundings but you can always be in control of your response to what happens and you can either endorse the world or live a life that glorifies God. not only with your actions but with your thoughts for God tells us to make captive EVERY thought to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
its harder to do when you bombard it with junk instead of God's words and His love and meditating upon things that are good. but it can still be done in the midst of the filthiest prisons and lowest conditions.
I like this song, even though its gotten really popular.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkM-gDcmJeM[/video]
You can't always control your surroundings but you can always be in control of your response to what happens and you can either endorse the world or live a life that glorifies God. not only with your actions but with your thoughts for God tells us to make captive EVERY thought to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
its harder to do when you bombard it with junk instead of God's words and His love and meditating upon things that are good. but it can still be done in the midst of the filthiest prisons and lowest conditions.
I like this song, even though its gotten really popular.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkM-gDcmJeM[/video]
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Sure I understand this...but to make a blanket statement that all music is the same minus the label is ignorant.
Music of all kinds/types with Christ as the center is much better than the secular music that glorifies sex, violence and greed do you not agree?
On the same token secular music that is from the heart and doesn't glorify money, sex, sinful desires is also better (morally)
I love Frank Sinatra's music, it's not Christian and in my opinion not morally wrong either.
Do you believe making money is a sin? If so you should quit your job and be a homeless person. The argument that them making money is in some way "wrong" is another ignorant statement. Secular artists make TONS more money than Christian ones. So your argument that they put "Christian" on their label in order to make more money is false. The opposite is fact.
Spreading the word about themselves not Christ is an option yes. How you perceive their music is also your choice and perogative. Casting Crowns is a great band, if you decide to believe they are self promoting not promoting Christ I feel that is ridiculous but again your choice.
All in all you make a lot of blanket statements with no substance.
Money, music, promotion are not evil. What you DO with them is what counts good/bad/indiferant.
See quote below (for some reason the font changes to italics and won't let me modify that)...
"I understand that everyone is a sinner, even those who are saved. However, for many of the kids on this forum- your arguments are that Christian music is somehow better than secular music when by EVERY MEASURE it is exactly the same. The only major difference is that by slapping the label of 'Christian' onto something they can not only guarantee sales and promotion, but that you will DEFEND the artist like you know something about them. You will do more to spread the word about a Christian artist than you will Christ. They're counting on it."
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How is it ignorant? I'm not unaware of the differences, I just see them as being relatively minor to nonexistent for this specific argument about BUSINESS. I thought I had been very clear on that point.
On a more technical level, the differences are only in the lyrics. Again, I believe I have already said that.
Are you claiming that the intent of the artist bears some weight on the final product? You are free to make such a claim, but it's more or less unprovable.
I will agree on a point you didn't make, but probably meant to- when someone is truly operating in and with the Spirit of God, they are more likely to touch people and be successful. That is why I am not making 'ignorant blanket statements' about success only coming from the devil or something. There are genuine artists out there, and they aren't all labeled as 'Christian artists.'
Can you accept the fact that some of them are NOT genuine? Because that was my entire point with this thread. You can't take everything at face value. That's it.
There are things that are blatantly wrong and evil and other things that are sneakier and more subtle. Christian music is one of the subtle ones, which I guess is why everyone's panties are in a bunch. Not ALL Christian music is subtly evil, but the stuff that is can easily sneak in because people have ZERO guard up when it comes to Christian music. Hence this thread.
So music with good, positive subject matter is better than music with morally questionable subject matter?
You just blew my mind, dude. What an amazing observation.
You know, it seems like you actually agree with me completely, but you've decided to be on the opposite side so you have to act like we're fighting.
Just because you are defensive doesn't mean I'm attacking.
This is what I keep saying. Judge the music on its own merits. Music that is pushed by the Christian music industry isn't automatically of God just as music that is pushed by the secular music industry isn't automatically of the Devil.
You guys can keep acting like I'm saying that all Christian music is horrible and awful and disingenuous, but that will not make it so.
Not at all. I make quite a bit of money IN the music industry. I am fully aware that it doesn't have to be an evil business. However, I am also fully aware that it IS an evil business more often than not.
Nice try, homie.
I never said making money is wrong lol
Way to not provide ANY evidence or even a logical argument before claiming 'the opposite is fact.'
It's not a comparison thing. Either the label of 'Christian' ensures some sales or it doesn't. I say it does. Prove that it doesn't and you may have a point here.
I never made that statement. Are you new to debates?
Again, didn't say this.
This is the DEFINITION of a strawman argument- you distort what I said and then argue against the distortion. It's a cheap tactic and completely transparent.
On a more technical level, the differences are only in the lyrics. Again, I believe I have already said that.
Are you claiming that the intent of the artist bears some weight on the final product? You are free to make such a claim, but it's more or less unprovable.
I will agree on a point you didn't make, but probably meant to- when someone is truly operating in and with the Spirit of God, they are more likely to touch people and be successful. That is why I am not making 'ignorant blanket statements' about success only coming from the devil or something. There are genuine artists out there, and they aren't all labeled as 'Christian artists.'
Can you accept the fact that some of them are NOT genuine? Because that was my entire point with this thread. You can't take everything at face value. That's it.
There are things that are blatantly wrong and evil and other things that are sneakier and more subtle. Christian music is one of the subtle ones, which I guess is why everyone's panties are in a bunch. Not ALL Christian music is subtly evil, but the stuff that is can easily sneak in because people have ZERO guard up when it comes to Christian music. Hence this thread.
So music with good, positive subject matter is better than music with morally questionable subject matter?
You just blew my mind, dude. What an amazing observation.
You know, it seems like you actually agree with me completely, but you've decided to be on the opposite side so you have to act like we're fighting.
Just because you are defensive doesn't mean I'm attacking.
This is what I keep saying. Judge the music on its own merits. Music that is pushed by the Christian music industry isn't automatically of God just as music that is pushed by the secular music industry isn't automatically of the Devil.
You guys can keep acting like I'm saying that all Christian music is horrible and awful and disingenuous, but that will not make it so.
Not at all. I make quite a bit of money IN the music industry. I am fully aware that it doesn't have to be an evil business. However, I am also fully aware that it IS an evil business more often than not.
Nice try, homie.
I never said making money is wrong lol
Way to not provide ANY evidence or even a logical argument before claiming 'the opposite is fact.'
It's not a comparison thing. Either the label of 'Christian' ensures some sales or it doesn't. I say it does. Prove that it doesn't and you may have a point here.
I never made that statement. Are you new to debates?
Again, didn't say this.
This is the DEFINITION of a strawman argument- you distort what I said and then argue against the distortion. It's a cheap tactic and completely transparent.
