Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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TruthDefender said:
We do, I never said we didn’t.

Yes, the change was when Jesus died on the cross. This I had already stated.

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Try help the point any follower would want The Will of The Lord?? Let your Will be as His that life long study not fire back forth.
if ands Butts plus excuses not to have his will Jesus ? Jesus remind something like let The Dead bury Their Dead Will is the mind of Christ
 
frederickdoc said:
Try help the point any follower would want The Will of The Lord?? Let your Will be as His that life long study not fire back forth.
if ands Butts plus excuses not to have his will Jesus ? Jesus remind something like let The Dead bury Their Dead Will is the mind of Christ
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I don't mind prove him wrong in me But I like to add do people know what the Holy Spirit does . I first add one major .He HS hear from the throne interpets the word shares with His own in their language and understanding work on that rebuke me if I speak not the truth btw it real time Holy Spirit speak repeats in understanding best I can share .to idk what say ? Will less?
 
Another word for upgraded is superseded (Matt. 5:17, 20-22, 27-28, 31-32, etc., Rom. 3:20-5:1, Heb. 7:11-10:1).
 
GWH said:
I pity your spouse.
My parents modelled--and my wife and I operate by--consensus/equality, just as churches should.
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This is why there are so many divisions, you compromise one thing over the other, in God’s word; you are doing what man wants.
 
brightfame52 said:
I believe the truth of God
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since you claim to "believe the truth of God", why do you agree with rogerg that God said "before being born God said of them: "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated" when it is clear that what God said before they were born was "the elder shall serve the younger" (Genesis 25:23 ... corroborated by Paul in Romans 9:12)?




brightfame52 said:
wherein you resist it
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I resist your alteration of Scripture in your feeble attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where there is error ... let go of the error ... only hold on to the good ...

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

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reneweddaybyday said:
since you claim to "believe the truth of God", why do you agree with rogerg that God said "before being born God said of them: "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated" when it is clear that what God said before they were born was "the elder shall serve the younger" (Genesis 25:23 ... corroborated by Paul in Romans 9:12)?
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Wait—seriously? You still don’t understand? How is that even possible? Truly amazing!
I'm going to inform you of something that you should have come to realize a long time ago - that you need to primarily focus on the completed "what" of doctrine, not (only) the "when": God's word was not constrained by time - it was revealed in its fullness at His good pleasure and purpose at the points of His choosing- not according to the demands of your timetable, and with every bit needing to be taken into consideration. It was the exact same Holy Spirit that moved the writer of Genesis as move the writer of Malachi as moved the writer of Romans, and He moved them not in vain nor without purpose (you do believe the writers of Scripture, one and all, were moved by the Holy Spirit, don't you?) So, in effect, what you are saying is that everything in Romans 9 besides that which was explicitly stated in Genesis, is without purpose and to be ignored. On its face alone, an absolutely absurd and ridiculous position to take!
Well, at least you've managed to clearly demonstrate to everyone that you do not grasp the way in which Scripture was written by God - that you are unaware it is actually one completely integrated book, which goes a long way in explaining why your interpretations of it are always so wrong.
 
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TruthDefender said:
This is why there are so many divisions, you compromise one thing over the other, in God’s word; you are doing what man wants.
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No, you are ignoring what God wants per Matt. 12:42, 20:26, Gal. 3:28 and Eph. 5:21.
Again, in Jesus' day the roles of women did not include leadership over men, but the seed of equality was planted.
And implementing GW yields lifelong happy marriages and no church splits.
 
Regeneration before faith means you’re saved before believing. Like all things Calvinist, it’s backwards
 
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HeIsHere said:
Regeneration before faith means you’re saved before believing. Like all things Calvinist, it’s backwards
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They fail to realize that salvation-grace suppresses the flesh, giving the soul freedom to decide for Jesus Christ.

The freedom granted does not guarantee their decision.
For the same grace would cause someone who rejects Jesus Christ to be without excuse for their rejection.

They just do not understand what the power of grace is doing in making man able to get saved.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Regeneration before faith means you’re saved before believing.
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Thats correct, you must be saved to believe. The gospel is hid to them that are lost and they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Regeneration before faith means you’re saved before believing. Like all things Calvinist, it’s backwards
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Only if you believe that you can be saved by your works - and by definition, anything that must be done by us to become saved, makes that thing, a work. Yet Scripture makes abundantly clear that no one can be saved by their works and is why the Father sent Jesus Christ, otherwise, no Savior would have been necessary. So, it seems that you comprehend neither the doctrine of God's grace nor of Jesus Christ, Savior.

True belief comes from salvation; salvation does not come from belief. Remember Thomas?
 
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What prevents a unregenerate person from believing?

Is it not his flesh?
His flesh making it impossible for his soul to turn to God?
 
Judaizers need to supplement the Torah by reading the Messianic prophecies and NT references to Gentiles,
so they will understand that the reason for the OT covenant with Israel was for the purpose of saving all sinners.
Only Biblically illiterate, goad-kicking obstinate or perversely brain-washed people will deny this Truth
(Gen. 12:3, 22:18, Job 8:3, Isa. 42:6, 45:22-23, 49:6, Jer. 4:4, 31:31, Joel 2:28&32, Zech. 2:11, 14:9,
Rom. 1:20, 2:28-29, 3:21-5:1, Eph. 2:11-3:13).

The way all may be saved is expressed as the Christian creed, such as the following:

“Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). “Saving faith is loving Jesus as Messiah and Lord.” The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in these statements can be explained or elaborated as follows:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4, EZK 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
  5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
 
rogerg said:
Only if you believe that you can be saved by your works
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Explain to me please why believing is a work before regeneration but is not a work after regeneration?

I have been told that regeneration is not salvation so if you agree with that then, as far as I can see, you are still doing a work before salvation.

Very confusing.
 
sawdust said:
Explain to me please why believing is a work before regeneration but is not a work after regeneration?

I have been told that regeneration is not salvation so if you agree with that then, as far as I can see, you are still doing a work before salvation.

Very confusing.
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If I say I believe .just get u off my back
.when I say I know, my will is His will Then do His Word Works with All thats within me of His Anointing .
 
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