Election by God Is According to His will, not man’s Will to believe

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God gives Faith for that reason, that we may know we are elect or have eternal life. Its called the Faith of Gods elect, to acknowledge the Truth Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

So thats why God gives Faith, which is assurance
 
Yes I know that. Perhaps I should explain that I was replying to trs68, who had written: "So NO, no one of Noah's blood family and lineage of Seth died in the flood."

I fully agree that salvation, and the grace that grants it, is not dependent upon blood-line, otherwise it would not be grace.
I didn't say anyone was saved because of bloodline. I pointed out between the bloodlines which one was saved.
 
I know Dave, I have no gripe with you

Yeah I saw that, a very unlearned comment, like nobody in seth bloodline wasn't God hating sinners. Now God did preserve the elect line of grace via Noah, so that it would continue to develop until Jesus would be born from the tribe of Judah, but everyone in that line was sinners, their preservation was to the praise of Gods grace.
I didn't say bloodline saved anyone.
Unlearned people insert things not said.
 
Okay, so you triple down on telling God He hates most of humanity and favors only a few with salvation.
I want to be a fly on the wall at the Pearly Gates when/if you arrive!
At this point you oppose the Gospel
 
You seem to have a strange idea of what those of us who believe in the Doctrines of Grace ("Calvinists" as you call us) actually believe. We certainly do not live every day in turmoil and fear wondering whether or not we are elect. If any sinner believes on the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, that shows they are elect.
 
You seem to have a strange idea of what those of us who believe in the Doctrines of Grace ("Calvinists" as you call us) actually believe. We certainly do not live every day in turmoil and fear wondering whether or not we are elect. If any sinner believes on the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, that shows they are elect.

That is the MFW view.
Tulipism (the U) says God's election is not conditional on faith.
 
That is the MFW view.
Tulipism (the U) says God's election is not conditional on faith.
Its not, Gods election is conditioned on Gods Sovereign Choice and Grace Rom 11:5-7

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.
But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Grace is always only for a remnant apart from the whole
 
If you understood the Hebrew and the numerical values you would see why I would have never made such a connection even with your assumption tendencies.
Hogwash, I dont need to understand the hebrew to understand Salvation principles, you need to understand Grace because you dont at this juncture.
 
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Hogwash, I dont need to understand the hebrew to understand Salvation principles, you need to understand Grace because you dont at this juncture.
You need to understand Hebrew to know which lineage was destroyed that you most obviously have no idea about.
 
You need to understand Hebrew to know which lineage was destroyed that you most obviously have no idea about.
I dont need to know hebrew to know Salvation principles in scripture. You guys kill me trying to bootstrap people into thinking they need to learn greek or hebrew to understand the scriptures. Thats hogwash. Im quite aware of the line of the Messiah going back to Adam Lk 3. Now God wiped out millions of people, suffocated them in a flood, and chose to save 8 people. Noah should have put out a sign from the ark saying, smile God Loves you
 
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You seem to have a strange idea of what those of us who believe in the Doctrines of Grace ("Calvinists" as you call us) actually believe. We certainly do not live every day in turmoil and fear wondering whether or not we are elect. If any sinner believes on the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, that shows they are elect.
Thats what you think. But there is also the FAKE GRACE God gives to some who believe for a while and fall away. Just because you believe now, doesnt mean you wont stop believing later. You could be one of those people who calvinists say "were never saved to begin with since they went out from among us so that it may be shown they were not of us"

You will never know. God could have deceived you, as the calvinist version does. He commands one thing, decrees another, gets angry at people for doing what He decreed them to freely do. Its a mentally ill god
 
Thats what you think. But there is also the FAKE GRACE God gives to some who believe for a while and fall away. Just because you believe now, doesnt mean you wont stop believing later. You could be one of those people who calvinists say "were never saved to begin with since they went out from among us so that it may be shown they were not of us"

You will never know. God could have deceived you, as the calvinist version does. He commands one thing, decrees another, gets angry at people for doing what He decreed them to freely do. Its a mentally ill god
If it is fake grace, then it is not given by God. The God of the Bible does not deceive anybody.
 
I don't know about "Tulipism", but the Doctrines of Grace teach that faith is a result of God's electing grace.

Tulipism is belief in TULIP:

T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient MFW to seek salvation.

U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement such as faith or repentance, but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell.

L – limited atonement, meaning that Christ died to pay the penalty of sin only for elect souls.

I – irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved.

P – perseverance of the saints, meaning that the elect cannot repudiate their salvation and commit apostasy, because God perseveres in keeping them saved.

As you can see, tulipism perverts the orthodox doctrine of grace that affirms belief in MFW:

M – God’s requirement for salvation (GRFS) is a Moral condition called faith, which is manifested as seeking God’s righteousness or salvation, which in turn presumes sufficient human volition even for sinners to make them morally accountable.

F – God graces all morally accountable souls with sufficient Freedom to satisfy GRFS—or not, which means sinners are accountable and justly condemned when they do not repent and accept Christ’s atonement for their sins.

W – Faith is almost synonymous with Will, but volition focuses on faith as cooperation with God (or not), and cooperating with God's enabling grace is NOT meritorious or working to earn heaven/salvation by obeying moral laws.