1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy

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At best, 1948 was a staging of future fulfillment of prophecy, not THE fulfillment of it. If we read the Bible for what it says, Abraham was promised approximately 1.2 million square kilometers of land. Israel today occupies at most about 2% of all that was promised to Abraham and his descendants. That is NOT a fulfillment as of yet. Israel is currently a political/military state with most of the Jews still scattered across the earth, not yet gathered together in that land. With about 50% of Jews are Russian-speaking Jews living in Jerusalem and the surrounding few towns and cities. There are far more orthodox Jews living abroad from Israel than are currently living within its tiny little borders.

For reference, see:

  • Genesis 12:1–3 — initial call; promise of a land to go to.
  • Genesis 12:7 — promise: "To your offspring I will give this land."
  • Genesis 13:14–17 — promise of all the land that Abram can see to his offspring.
  • Genesis 15:7–21 — covenant: God specifies territory for Abram's descendants (lists boundaries, including "from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates").
  • Genesis 17:1–8 — promise of land and an everlasting covenant with Abraham and his descendants.
  • Genesis 22:15–18 — reaffirmation of blessing and numerous descendants (implied possession).
  • Exodus 6:2–8 — God reiterates to Moses the promise made to the patriarchs that He will bring the Israelites into the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
  • Leviticus 25:23 — land is described as a possession for the Israelites (ties into covenant land concepts).
  • Deuteronomy 1:8; 34:4 — restatements of the land promise to the people.
  • Joshua 1:2–4 — God’s promise to Joshua: all the land shown to Moses (boundaries described).
  • Psalm 105:8–11 — poetic restatement of the covenant and land promises to Abraham and his offspring.
Brief notes:

  • Genesis 15:18–21 contains the most explicit boundary language (listing peoples/places and the "river of Egypt" to "Euphrates").
  • Different passages emphasize the promise in covenantal, narrative, and poetic forms across Torah, historical books, and Psalms.
 
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Musicmaster said:
At best, 1948 was a staging of future fulfillment of prophecy, not THE fulfillment of it. If we read the Bible for what it says, Abraham was promised approximately 1.2 million square kilometers of land. Israel today occupies at most about 2% of all that was promised to Abraham and his descendants. That is NOT a fulfillment as of yet. Israel is currently a political/military state with most of the Jews still scattered across the earth, not yet gathered together in that land. With about 50% of Jews are Russian-speaking Jews living in Jerusalem and the surrounding few towns and cities. There are far more orthodox Jews living abroad from Israel than are currently living within its tiny little borders.

For reference, see:

  • Genesis 12:1–3 — initial call; promise of a land to go to.
  • Genesis 12:7 — promise: "To your offspring I will give this land."
  • Genesis 13:14–17 — promise of all the land that Abram can see to his offspring.
  • Genesis 15:7–21 — covenant: God specifies territory for Abram's descendants (lists boundaries, including "from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates").
  • Genesis 17:1–8 — promise of land and an everlasting covenant with Abraham and his descendants.
  • Genesis 22:15–18 — reaffirmation of blessing and numerous descendants (implied possession).
  • Exodus 6:2–8 — God reiterates to Moses the promise made to the patriarchs that He will bring the Israelites into the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
  • Leviticus 25:23 — land is described as a possession for the Israelites (ties into covenant land concepts).
  • Deuteronomy 1:8; 34:4 — restatements of the land promise to the people.
  • Joshua 1:2–4 — God’s promise to Joshua: all the land shown to Moses (boundaries described).
  • Psalm 105:8–11 — poetic restatement of the covenant and land promises to Abraham and his offspring.
Brief notes:

  • Genesis 15:18–21 contains the most explicit boundary language (listing peoples/places and the "river of Egypt" to "Euphrates").
  • Different passages emphasize the promise in covenantal, narrative, and poetic forms across Torah, historical books, and Psalms.
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I suspect that "the river of Egypt" is not a reference to the Nile, because if that was the case Moses would not have had to travel anywhere to go to the promised land.
Both sides of the red sea would have been included in that map, including Goshen,
So the Israelites would have been there already.
 
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At best, 1948 was a staging of future fulfillment of prophecy, not THE fulfillment of it.
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You conveniently, or ignorantly, left out this verse that clearly states God gave all of the promised land to Israel.

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45​

And these verses that clearly state Israel ruled over all of the land from the border of Egypt to the Euphrates River.

David smote also Hadadezer, the son of Rehob, king of Zobah, as he went to recover his border at the river Euphrates. 2 Samuel 8:3​
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And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the [Euphrates] river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life. 1 Kings 4:21​

What's also clear is that dispensationalist/zionists don't believe what all of scripture says.
 
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Genesis 15:18–21 contains the most explicit boundary language (listing peoples/places and the "river of Egypt" to "Euphrates").
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In that verse God promised to give the land to Christ, not Israel

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:18​

Paul said so. He clearly stated it wasn't given to many people, but it was given to only one person, Christ

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Galatians 3:16​
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But again, dispensationalists/zionists don't believe what scripture clearly and plainly says when it contradicts their dogma
 
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Musicmaster said:
At best, 1948 was a staging of future fulfillment of prophecy, not THE fulfillment of it. If we read the Bible for what it says, Abraham was promised approximately 1.2 million square kilometers of land. Israel today occupies at most about 2% of all that was promised to Abraham and his descendants. That is NOT a fulfillment as of yet. Israel is currently a political/military state with most of the Jews still scattered across the earth, not yet gathered together in that land. With about 50% of Jews are Russian-speaking Jews living in Jerusalem and the surrounding few towns and cities. There are far more orthodox Jews living abroad from Israel than are currently living within its tiny little borders.

For reference, see:

  • Genesis 12:1–3 — initial call; promise of a land to go to.
  • Genesis 12:7 — promise: "To your offspring I will give this land."
  • Genesis 13:14–17 — promise of all the land that Abram can see to his offspring.
  • Genesis 15:7–21 — covenant: God specifies territory for Abram's descendants (lists boundaries, including "from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates").
  • Genesis 17:1–8 — promise of land and an everlasting covenant with Abraham and his descendants.
  • Genesis 22:15–18 — reaffirmation of blessing and numerous descendants (implied possession).
  • Exodus 6:2–8 — God reiterates to Moses the promise made to the patriarchs that He will bring the Israelites into the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
  • Leviticus 25:23 — land is described as a possession for the Israelites (ties into covenant land concepts).
  • Deuteronomy 1:8; 34:4 — restatements of the land promise to the people.
  • Joshua 1:2–4 — God’s promise to Joshua: all the land shown to Moses (boundaries described).
  • Psalm 105:8–11 — poetic restatement of the covenant and land promises to Abraham and his offspring.
Brief notes:

  • Genesis 15:18–21 contains the most explicit boundary language (listing peoples/places and the "river of Egypt" to "Euphrates").
  • Different passages emphasize the promise in covenantal, narrative, and poetic forms across Torah, historical books, and Psalms.
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The prophecy in Ezekiel 37 says that the dry bones have sinew and flesh, but no breath. That is the part that has been fulfilled. They have not yet received the Spirit being breathed into them, but the dry bones we saw walking out of the Holocaust has been formed into a body with sinew and flesh.
 
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The prophecy in Ezekiel 37 says that the dry bones have sinew and flesh, but no breath. That is the part that has been fulfilled. They have not yet received the Spirit being breathed into them, but the dry bones we saw walking out of the Holocaust has been formed into a body with sinew and flesh.
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See? Dispensationalists don't believe what scripture plainly says. Acts 2 clearly states that Israel received the breath of eternal life on the day of Pentecost. It takes real unbelief and rhetorical gymnastics to deny that Israel received the holy spirit that day.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:38-41 ​
 
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OT promises about the land must be viewed in the light of the Christ event. Jesus is the True Israel and all the promises concerning the people of Israel, including Land promises, are fulfilled in Him.
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Jesus inherited all of the promises because he is the firstborn. The firstborn inherited everything from his father, including his spiritual heritage, ie., the promises of God.

It will be exactly like it was when Moses' successor, Joshua of the tribe of Ephraim, who was the firstborn, inherited the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The 12 tribes were allotted their portion out of his inheritance, but the inheritance still remained with Ephraim. This is why the tribes of Israel said they had no inheritance in the tribe of Judah. There inheritance was secured by their abiding association with the firstborn Ephraim

So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents. 1 Kings 12:16​

Likewise, the firstborn son of God, Joshua (Jesus' real Hebrew name), inherited everything, including the promises to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the people of Israel, and will allot to each of his brothers/sisters their portion in the resurrection. And like the shadow, our inheritance is secured by our abiding association with the firstborn through faith. This turns pharisee entitlement theology on its head because no one is entitled to the land but Christ the firstborn.
 
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It was known also that Abraham was born in the year 1948 from Creation., but since we know our calendar is wrong it as less of a meaning and impact.

The nation of Israel becoming a nation again in 1948 was by man's will
 
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Beekeeper said:
I suspect that "the river of Egypt" is not a reference to the Nile, because if that was the case Moses would not have had to travel anywhere to go to the promised land.
Both sides of the red sea would have been included in that map, including Goshen,
So the Israelites would have been there already.
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So, you're saying that the scholars who mapped it all our from this and other ancient records are wrong?

MM
 
ZNP said:
The prophecy in Ezekiel 37 says that the dry bones have sinew and flesh, but no breath. That is the part that has been fulfilled. They have not yet received the Spirit being breathed into them, but the dry bones we saw walking out of the Holocaust has been formed into a body with sinew and flesh.
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We as a nation (Israel) are still fallen, with most of us still scattered all across this earth. We're not mostly gathered back into Israel, so that prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

MM
 
Aussie52 said:
OT promises about the land must be viewed in the light of the Christ event. Jesus is the True Israel and all the promises concerning the people of Israel, including Land promises, are fulfilled in Him.
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Not yet. There is still so much more to come.

MM
 
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