Calvinism is Gospel !

[brightfame52]

To answer the O.P., Calvinism's TULIP system is often presented as the gospel itself, but when compared carefully with the words of Jesus, many of its central claims conflict with what Christ taught. The gospel of Christ repeatedly calls all people to repent, believe, obey, endure, and choose life. TULIP replaces much of that with a system where the outcome is fixed beforehand for each individual.

The OP is the Truth

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism teaches that man is so fallen that he cannot respond to God unless first regenerated.

The Bible certainly teaches that man is sinful, but Jesus continually treated people as capable of responding to God's call.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28, ASV)

A command to come assumes the hearer can respond.

Yes but that call to come is directed not to all, but to a group that has been spiritually prepared and are now under the laborious burden of their sins, like the publican was Lk 18 so its a discriminate call to a spiritually awakened people who would gladly embrace Christ and rest. And it is a command, not an offer, and they will come to Him Jn 6:37

 

[rogerg]

Magenta here is the scripture that you say does not exist about choice, My ""Ilk"" , to use the term you used against me knows this;

I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed. (Deuteronomy 30:19, ASV) = choice, free will

See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil. (Deuteronomy 30:15, ASV) = choice, free will

If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine... (John 7:17, ASV) = choice, free will

Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28, ASV) = choice, free will

And if it seem evil unto you to serve Jehovah, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah. (Joshua 24:15, ASV) = choice and free will

For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord Jehovah: wherefore turn yourselves, and live.(Ezekiel 18:32, ASV) = choice and free will

choice is all over the place in the Holy Bible, do not let false doctrine trick you. your public shaming will not work on me, does not intimidate me. I care only for the truth as spoken by God and do not care for the doctrine of men.

That was under the Old Covenant, which was works based. Under the New Covenant, it is all unilaterally achieved by God, none if it by man to include his choices or actions. I know, you don't want to reply, and I am not expecting one, but nevertheless, I felt it extremely important to correct what you're saying

 

[rogerg]

@2Christ

That was under the Old Covenant, which was works based. Under the New Covenant, it is all unilaterally achieved by God, none if it by man to include his choices or actions. I know, you don't want to reply, and I am not expecting one, but nevertheless, I felt it extremely important to correct what you're saying

Typo. SB "none of it by man" not "none if it by man". Plus, should have included "for those whom God places under the New Covenant it is all unilaterally achieved by God".

 

[HeIsHere]

That was under the Old Covenant, which was works based. Under the New Covenant, it is all unilaterally achieved by God, none if it by man to include his choices or actions. I know, you don't want to reply, and I am not expecting one, but nevertheless, I felt it extremely important to correct what you're saying

It has always been about faith in God from start to finish.

 

[HeIsHere]

Unless you are born again first you dead to God!

So we have to receive life first and then we can again receive life from God.

 

[HeIsHere]

If Reformed theology is correct then God is either mocking us or gaslighting us.

Very, very low view of God's character.

God deeply cares about how we speak about Him.

Read the Book of Job!

 

[rogerg]

It has always been about faith in God from start to finish.

Not exactly sure what your point is, but it is about God, by His exceeding mercy and grace through Jesus Christ the Savior, unilaterally
saving His people, apart from and regardless of any of their choices, actions, or sins.

 

[HeIsHere]

In Reformed theology, God is like the priest and the Levite who pass by people and decides not to help them.

And they tell us that he decided ahead of time not to help them even though he could have.

So basically the prayer for salvation for a person not on this list is futile.

Nobody really believes this, nor do they really live out their lives as though this is true, but they have to maintain it for appearance sake to keep the system in tact and to affirm they have been chosen mostly to themselves.

I am sure they pray for the salvation of their friends and family...but maybe they have to say "God please change you mind" or something to that affect!!

But how can he... it was predestined!!

 

[HeIsHere]

“But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.”1 Corinthians 2:14 NASB1995


IN CONTEXT....

The things of the Spirit here in the context are the deep things of God that the CHRISTIANS in Corinth STILL COULD NOT RECEIVE. Meaning the Gospel/Good News is not what cannot be received.

Paul was writing to believers!

But context must be avoided of course because....

#Context Destroys Calvinism every time.

 

[rogerg]

In Reformed theology, God is like the priest and the Levite who pass by people and decides not to help them.

And they tell us that he decided ahead of time not to help them even though he could have.

So basically the prayer for salvation for a person not on this list is futile.

Nobody really believes this, nor do they really live out their lives as though this is true, but they have to maintain it for appearance sake to keep the system in tact and to affirm they have been chosen mostly to themselves.

I am sure they pray for the salvation of their friends and family...but maybe they have to say "God please change you mind" or something to that affect!!

But how can he... it was predestined!!

By using Jesus's prayer as our model:

[Mat 26:39, 42 KJV
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt]. ...
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

 

[HeIsHere]

By using Jesus's prayer as our model:

[Mat 26:39, 42 KJV
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt]. ...
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Yes, yes, I know the wheat can never become tares because the entire Bible is about God refusing to let people into His Kingdom unless of course they were born as wheat.

God gave us scripture so all the generations throughout time can know God is declaring of His absolute favoritism.

I mean seriously do you think this prayer is any way connected to soteriology, my goodness.

You know just a very basic understanding of what is soteriological in scripture and then what is written for other purposes is the bare minimum one should possess to even begin to try and persuade anyone else of a doctrine.

 

[rogerg]

The things of the Spirit here in the context are the deep things of God that the CHRISTIANS in Corinth STILL COULD NOT RECEIVE. Meaning the Gospel/Good News is not what cannot be received.

The deep things of God are of His plan of salvation through Jesus Christ, Savior, and all that pertains to it:

[1Co 2:7-10 KJV]
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

[Col 1:20-22, 26-27 KJV]
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: ...
26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

 

[rogerg]

Yes, yes, I know the wheat can never become tares because the entire Bible is about God refusing to let people into His Kingdom unless of course they were born as wheat.

God gave us scripture so all the generations throughout time can know God is declaring of His absolute favoritism.

I mean seriously do you think this prayer is any way connected to soteriology, my goodness.

You know just a very basic understanding of what is soteriological in scripture and then what is written for other purposes is the bare minimum one should possess to even begin to try and persuade anyone else of a doctrine.

Do you understand the concept of a model?

 

[HeIsHere]

Do you understand the concept of a model?

Yes, Jesus can be regarded as a "model" and He does not exemplify anything in TULIP!

 

[Churchgoer]

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[rogerg]

Yes, Jesus can be regarded as a "model" and He does not exemplify anything in TULIP!

His prayer was the model. You asked how someone who is reformed is able to pray for their loved ones. I showed you how - by using
Jesus prayer as a model for how they pray - especially the "thy will be done" part.

 

[HeIsHere]

His prayer was the model. You asked how someone who is reformed is able to pray for their loved ones. I showed you how - by using
Jesus prayer as a model for how they pray - especially the "thy will be done" part.

This just affirms you believe TULIP ideologically, but not in reality.

 

[rogerg]

This just affirms you believe TULIP ideologically, but not in reality.

I hesitate to say this because who knows what kind of off-the-wall reply you'll make, but, huh?
You asked about praying, remember?

 

[HeIsHere]

I hesitate to say this because who know what kind of off-the-wall reply you'll make, but, huh?
You asked about praying, remember?

Maybe God took your prayers into account when He made the list or maybe He did not.
That is the reality of your prayer.