1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy

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I think the point that was being made was that the allegory Paul uses in Galatians 4 is that they the gentiles are now the sons of promise and those persecuting them are of the flesh.
No, the point was that law doesn't save, and Jews are not superior. Nontheless, it's not about replacement.
 
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You don't know what are of faith and who are not. Believe it or not, faith and spirituality are declining in America and pretty much everywhere else, but rising in Israel, especially since the Oct 7 massacre.

Of course we do know. Those who confess Christ are of faith. Those who deny him are not.
 
No, it's here and now and where your spirit dwells if you are a Christian. You are thinking of the new Jerusalem that will descend from heaven to earth.

But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Hebrews 12:22
The new Jerusalem is the only Jerusalem in heaven, there's no other.
 
No you don't. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. "

OK. Of course we do know. Those who confess Christ and do his will are of faith. Those who deny him are not.
 
The term 'Replacement Theology' is just a strawman used by Dispensationalists as a scare tactic. No one is saying the Church 'replaced' the nation of Israel. What the NT teaches is that the Church is a fulfillment of the nation Israel as the people of God. Those of faith are the seed of Abraham, the Israel of God. Gal 6:16.
All the promises in the OT are fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ who is the True Israel.
At the present moment in time, there is only ONE people of God-the Church, comprising of both Jew and Gentile. Eph 3.

Israel as a nation has been rejected because of its unbelief and rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. As a branch, it has been cut off from the covenantal blessings of God. Rm 11. Sometime in the future, 'all Israel will be saved', and that will place them in the Church, the Body of Christ not separated from it.

Come on over here to America and spend enough time over in our churches and you'll get to hear all kinds of elements rooted in replacement theology. I'm not what you call a "dispensationalist," so the understanding and recognition of replacement theology isn't couched only in their understanding. As an Israeli, I see and hear it all around me here in the US an in these forums.

MM
 
Fulfillment of which prophecy? Of course it was not the full restoration of Israel, but it seems like the fulfillment of the fig tree parable. Most significantly, it debunks the replacement theology, that the gentile church, particularly the Catholic church, is the "new Israel."

There are those who believe 1948 was a fulfillment of Isaiah 43, Ezekiel 36, Jeremiah 31 and Isaiah 66. Granted, some of the claims are so sensationalist that we who know the scriptures can only listen in abject amazement at the ignorance there is out here in this warped, Christian culture here in the West.

MM
 
1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

I am not pretending to know your life's story, but I am sure that coming to Christ from any brand of Judaism would not be a smooth journey, any more than it was from my former Atheism.

True, but when one's resolve is set firmly upon the Lord replacing every belief I had ever been taught in the past, replacing it all with only His truths, that makes the journey much easier to bear.

Many seem to carry baggage from modern Judaism, never even having been in it.
I guess you have more excuse.

Modern Judaism isn't much different than 2000 years ago. Pharisaical tendencies still abound among many of my brothers and sisters.

A bit bazaar (in an upside down sort of way) that you equate spiritual Israel with Westernized religion.
I would have thought that modern Zionism- both political and religious, comes from the West.

Did I say that?

When you speak of "spiritual Israel," I assume you're talking about all who were born secular Gentiles and converted into Westernized religions of so-called Christianity. It is understood that not all who are genetic Jews are Jews...those who reject Christ Jesus as Messiah. That will soon change, with 2/3rds of our genetic numbers wiped off the face of this earth.

Lets consider Jesus response to a direct question about the restoration of Israel:

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:

Notice that Jesus does not yet consider them ready to understand, because the Holy Ghost is not yet come upon them.
The restoration of the Israel of God is SPIRITUAL, and now that we have the NT completed up to Revelations, we no longer have excuse not to know that.

Spiritual Israel, then, as you appear to be defining it, is not those who will remain here on this earth past the catching up to enter into the Kingdom yet to come.

Reading through Paul's epistles I find him constantly breaking down "the middle wall of partition" (Ephesians 2:13-15) between the circumcision and uncircumcision in Christ Jesus.
Here is a good example:

Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

God is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob,
and through Jesus we all call Him our Father.
We are all one family even with the OT saints,
and Heavenly Jerusalem is a real city.

That middle wall of partition came down at the fall of Israel spoken of by Jesus Himself:

Luke 13:6-9
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree [symbolic of Israel] planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser [symbolic of the Father] of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

One year after the ascension of Christ, they stoned Stephen who issed the most scathing of all indictments against Israel for our rejection of Messiah and our crucifixion of Him. That was the beginning of the fall of Israel. Before that, Gentiles were outside the commonwealth of Israel, with God and without Christ, and without hope apart from Israel because of that middle wall of partition.

There are more scriptural proofs of all this, but that should suffice for now.

MM
 
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Did I say that?

When you speak of "spiritual Israel," I assume you're talking about all who were born secular Gentiles and converted into Westernized religions of so-called Christianity. It is understood that not all who are genetic Jews are Jews...those who reject Christ Jesus as Messiah. That will soon change, with 2/3rds of our genetic numbers wiped off the face of this earth.

I am a "Biblicist" like you and do not spruke for any denominational church or belong to one.
What I meant by "spiritual Israel" is the kingdom of Christ, which is not the same entity as the modern Israeli nation.
Jesus is the king of Israel after the line of David and the foundation of his kingdom is entirely Jewish.
His kingdom is however spiritual by nature and is extended also to Cornelius on account of Cornelius' spiritual faith.
This is not a new thing with God because Abraham also had the same faith despite living before the time of the Jews, but it involved a huge learning curve for Peter and his Jewish friends.
So what happens to the Kingdom of Jesus now that Cornelius and others like him are included?
The spiritual kingdom of Israel is still the same only Cornelius is changed.
He is no longer a stranger to the commonwealth of Israel, although he is just as irrelevant to the physical nation of Israel as it is to him.

Modern Judaism isn't much different than 2000 years ago. Pharisaical tendencies still abound among many of my brothers and sisters.

I have a friend who grew up in a Rabbi Schneerson sect.
When he discovered that Jesus is beautiful his family disowned him, after the tradition of the sect.
This was painful for him of course, but he did not have to separate himself voluntarily.
He soon learned that he is not without family.
 
True, but when one's resolve is set firmly upon the Lord replacing every belief I had ever been taught in the past, replacing it all with only His truths, that makes the journey much easier to bear.

You express aspirations that I can agree with and share, but I notice that you use the word "replacing" in a positive theological context.
"Replacement Theology" is only a negative thing when we replace that which is of God with that which is of man.

The theological mix in the Australian population is different from America I am sure, but is contains many of the same ingredients.
There are Catholics with their "one true church" who not only believe that they have replaced physical Israel, but the kingdom of Jesus itself.
On the other hand there are the Zionists who not only replace the fulfillments of Isaiah 66, Jeremiah 31, Ezekiel 36 and Isaiah 43 with 1948 Israel, but replace it with the Kingdom of Christ, making Jesus one and the same with the expected Messiah of rabbinic Judaism.

I would be more inclined to offend your patriotism with the view that those prophesies have already been fulfilled, and that 1948 "Israel" is not a Christian cause at all.
Paul's teaching to the Hebrews contain more updated instructions than the ones you will find in the OT.
I think they are relevant today.

Hebrews 13:14
For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
 
There are those who believe 1948 was a fulfillment of Isaiah 43, Ezekiel 36, Jeremiah 31 and Isaiah 66. Granted, some of the claims are so sensationalist that we who know the scriptures can only listen in abject amazement at the ignorance there is out here in this warped, Christian culture here in the West.

MM
Since the NATION of Israel once rose from the ashes after the Babylonian exile, why can't it happen again?
 
Then if you don't believe it exists now you are in denial of what scripture says (that i posted)
And you?

Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?

For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children. (Is. 66:8)
 
OK. Of course we do know. Those who confess Christ and do his will are of faith. Those who deny him are not.
Then you can cross off most churches who confess to false christs and preach false gospels. “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. " "Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold."
 
Then you can cross off most churches who confess to false christs and preach false gospels. “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. " "Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold."

OK, what's your point?
 
And you?

Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?

For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children. (Is. 66:8)

That was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when the holy nation of God was born from above by the holy spirit.

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9
 
OK, what's your point?
Replacement theology is from the devil. The nation of Israel is preserved bythe Lord Most High.

Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I am the Lord their God. But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.’ ” (Lev. 26:44-45)
 
Replacement theology is from the devil. The nation of Israel is preserved bythe Lord Most High.

Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I am the Lord their God. But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.’ ” (Lev. 26:44-45)

Yes replacement theology is of the devil because it's a straw man that mischaracterizes the actual replacement that did take place in order to hide the nature of that replacement. The nation of Israel was preserved (not replaced) in the apostles and the believing remnant of Israel who followed their teachings. Then at the appointed time the door was opened to the gentiles (Acts 10) and a believing remnant of them replaced the unbelieving branches of Israel that had been broken off. That is sound indisputable theology. It's all there written down if you can believe it.
 
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