1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy

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"The times of the Gentiles" are the church age, in which Jewish people are dominated by Gentiles, and the gospel is also preached among the Gentiles. As long as this age persists, Jerusalem is "trampled by Gentiles," which is the abomination of desolation; but it is coming to an end, as the fig tree, the symbol of Israel, is budding. Heaven and earth will pass away, the Lord's prophecy will by no means pass away.

“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

“Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away."
 
Because the Almighty God said so, they indeed are entitled to it, and you're in hatred and denial.
@ChristRoseFromTheDead is not hating anyone and he is not in denial. He just disagrees with your narrative as do I.
There are two ways of viewing Scripture, Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism. Our disagreements come from how we view Scripture and which one is the most accurate.
I maintain that the OT must be viewed in the light of the NT and how NT writers interpretated OT promises. They viewed them through the Christ Event, and so must we.
If you would take time to listen to what we are saying instead of acting in a knee jerking way, you might learn something.
 
He promised to give it to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Christ (Galatians 3:16), but he never promised it without conditions to Israel. If you disagree I challenge you to demonstrate with scripture why
Christ's kingdom is not of this world. "“My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
It was the kingdom of heaven come to earth
Again, New Jerusalem's descent to earth is more than 1000 years away.
Your reading comprehension is not good.
I understand that the Scripture never contradicts itself, dead people don't go to both heaven and grave, you don't.
 
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"The times of the Gentiles" are the church age, in which Jewish people are dominated by Gentiles, and the gospel is also preached among the Gentiles. As long as this age persists, Jerusalem is "trampled by Gentiles," which is the abomination of desolation; but it is coming to an end, as the fig tree, the symbol of Israel, is budding. Heaven and earth will pass away, the Lord's prophecy will by no means pass away.

“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

“Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away."
Those verses are in respect to Titus's invasion of Jerusalem in AD 70.
 
@ChristRoseFromTheDead is not hating anyone and he is not in denial. He just disagrees with your narrative as do I.
There are two ways of viewing Scripture, Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism. Our disagreements come from how we view Scripture and which one is the most accurate.
I maintain that the OT must be viewed in the light of the NT and how NT writers interpretated OT promises. They viewed them through the Christ Event, and so must we.
If you would take time to listen to what we are saying instead of acting in a knee jerking way, you might learn something.
No, the NT must be interpreted through the lens of the OT, the OT is the foundation the NT is built upon, not the other way around. The NT frequently quotes the OT, the OT never quotes the NT. Your view is neither Covenant Theology nor Dispensationalism, but Replacement Theology and Antisemetism.
 
Those verses are in respect to Titus's invasion of Jerusalem in AD 70.
No they're not. AD 70 was but a beginning of the "abomination of desolation", the end is the completion of the Great Comission - "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
 
You're not very good at expositing the bible. Moses and Elijah were with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration; the book of Hebrews says heaven is filled with the spirits of just men made perfect, etc. And you misunderstand what Jesus was saying in John 3:13
These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. heb11:39&40

Check out the people mentioned as ''the these'' earlier in the chapter.
She understands just fine what John3:13 is stating. What was that about expositing the bible?
 
Nationally, Israel is rejected because of their refusal to acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. Individually, like any Gentile, they can come to Jesus and find salvation.
Preach that first to the churches that acknowledge Jesus as a socialist, a transgender, a Palestinian refugee, a divine therapist, a mere historical figure, anything but "Messiah". At least Israel understands that "messiah" means annointed leader.
 
Preach that first to the churches that acknowledge Jesus as a socialist, a transgender, a Palestinian refugee, a divine therapist, a mere historical figure, anything but "Messiah". At least Israel understands that "messiah" means annointed leader.
I see that any meaningful discussion with you is just not going to happen. So, I bid you God bless. I shall not enter into conversation with you from now on.
 
I see that any meaningful discussion with you is just not going to happen. So, I bid you God bless. I shall not enter into conversation with you from now on.
You have no meaningful intention to begin with, since you are fed up with UN antisemetic propaganda, in denial of Israel's birthright to begin with.
 
At best, 1948 was a staging of future fulfillment of prophecy, not THE fulfillment of it.
Splitting hairs. Israel is there and Jerusalem is there when it should not be, right now for all to see. It is fact. Undivided


In the second, or future restoration, it will be both Judah (the two tribes) and Israel (the ten tribes). [Except in this place, we use the word Israel in its broader sense, meaning the whole twelve tribes.] “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.” Jer. 3:18.

Blackstone, William. Jesus Is Coming (pp. 130-131). LRP. Kindle Edition. 1878 when Israel did not exist.

And Permanent

Permanent Restoration. “I will plant them upon their land, and they SHALL NO MORE BE PULLED UP out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord their God.” Amos 9:15.

Blackstone, William. Jesus Is Coming (p. 131). LRP. Kindle Edition.

The fact Israel is there right now is of God and is going nowhere. So don't go quoting scripture that validates your premise and ignoring the ones and history that do not. The important question here is whether the establishment of Israel is of God. Israel is not going anywhere. Despite fighting a seven-front opposition.




 
Actually it's not. God declared that to be Israel's destiny if they obeyed his voice (Exodus 19:5-6), but they didn't and broke his covenant at Mt Sinai within 40 days. So God put that on the shelf until Christ, where it is fulfilled in those who obey his voice by believing in him, as described by Peter in 1 Peter 2:9.
Are you going to believe your own eyes, or are you getting fed by that ousted Minister out of Montana that keeps you in the dark? 🥸

 
Even if that was a reality, it's a city of angels that has nothing to do with us. All the dead go down to the grave and waiting for resurrection. Most definitely Paul didn't say or imply that we'll go to heaven or wander on earth as ghosts, any teaching of such is pure deception, even though it's a conventional belief in the western culture.

"But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep."

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

The sceneries commonly visualized as heaven, i.e. golden streets, pearly gates, shiny gems, crystalline stream, those are in the New Jerusalem, which is more than 1000 years away.

I detect that there is some defensiveness in this response.
It seems that you are keen to show me that you are the better theologian.
You may well be the smarter one of the two of us as I am still fuzzy about who was the author of Hebrews.
Before we begin our respectful conversation about that there is however a more weighty matter that I have to address with you.

How can you defend such a slum of terrorists? Let them be killed, it's justice, blood for blood, life for life.

We all have governments that do bad things from time to time, but what would you think of the spiritual condition of a person who expressed such an unsatisfieable blood lust against YOUR children?

Righteous anger is not like that.
Righteous anger can be appeased, but this is the anger of one who puts himself in the place of God.
Though he has done no harm to you it would not stop even after the last Palestinian is dead.
All those that encourage and support you in this reprobate spirit are not your friends as they appear.
Those that oppose you in it can do nothing to redeem you from it.
Without the intervention of Jesus it is a condition that remains unsatisfied for eternity.

Jesus was always able to draw a crowd, but never was He highly esteemed among men, and it is exactly the same now.
We may like to be associated with His great name, but how many of us really want to be changed by Him?
 
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How do I know if I don't know who "they" are?

You sometimes appear to be trying to set traps for me with your questions.
I am guessing that you do not have as many poisonous snakes over there in Kentucky as we do here in Australia, otherwise they would have taught you not to make it so obvious.
None the less I have nothing to hide and am an open book.

"They" are those that accommodate a murderous reprobate spirit shared by the very worst of the Nazis, Christian-Zionists and many others.
They feel secure in their imagined spiritual or racial superiority, and at the same time as inflicting pain on others believe themselves to be eternal victims, wrongly discriminated against and persecuted by others.
Without the intervention of Jesus they are incapable of knowing and understanding themselves at all.
They are the type of people who would believe any slanderous report against their victims, and propagate any lie that would seem to vindicate their fellow perpetrators to the point of believing it themselves.
If for example they heard a slanderous rumor that the people of Kentucky started the holocaust,
They would be likely to believe it and pass it on.
 
Christ's kingdom is not of this world. "“My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

You really have no idea what you are talking about or how to engage in discussion. Your response is in no way related to what I requested

Again, New Jerusalem's descent to earth is more than 1000 years away.

The coming of the kingdom of heaven to earth was not the new Jerusalem. But heaven did indeed come to earth. Mark 9:1 says so
I understand that the Scripture never contradicts itself, dead people don't go to both heaven and grave, you don't.

So many verses that contradict your beliefs.
 
No, the NT must be interpreted through the lens of the OT, the OT is the foundation the NT is built upon, not the other way around. The NT frequently quotes the OT, the OT never quotes the NT. Your view is neither Covenant Theology nor Dispensationalism, but Replacement Theology and Antisemetism.

I don't think you are even a Christian. Maybe a Christian in name only. Your reasoning is so inane it's laughable. Like, "the OT never quotes the NT". I don't care who you are, that right there is funny.