Jerusalem has been there for many centuries populated by Christains, Jews and Muslims who all got along with each other until the zionists came and stirred up trouble wanting the whole pie for themselves
1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy
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Jerusalem has been there for many centuries populated by Christains, Jews and Muslims who all got along with each other until the zionists came and stirred up trouble wanting the whole pie for themselves
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Thaddeus
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Indeed he does, and therefore no one who died under the old covenant went to Heaven, they all relied on Jesus death at calvary
Are you going to believe your own eyes, or are you getting fed by that ousted Minister out of Montana that keeps you in the dark?
Faith is not walking by sight. Dispensationalists are not walking by faith.
Moses and Elijah went to heaven. They appeared together with Jesus on the mount when the kingdom of heaven came to earth
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Does not say they came down from Heaven does it. Lets quote about what includes Moses:
Jesus words can be relied upon:
NO ONE has ever entered Heaven, except the one who came from Heaven, the son of man John3:13:
These(OT saints Moses is included in the chapter) were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. Heb11:39&40
The imperfect cannot enter Heaven. The writer tells us, the OT saints were made perfect with us who are under the new covenant.
Under the old covenant righteousness of obeying the law was in place(Deut6:25))
The only way to be righteous under the law/perfect is by fully obeying it(Gal3:10&11)
No one could faultlessly obey the law, hence David’s words:
Do not bring your servant into judgement for NO ONE LIVING is(truly) righteous before you Psalms143:2
All who have lived rely on Christ’s death at Calvary to enter Heaven
Aren't you the one who depicted Isaac Newton as a zionist because he predicted the return of Israel from the Bible when Israel did not exist? You still have not provided a definition for zionism as far as i know. You keep banting the word around like was adjacent to Nazi when it is you who finds common ground with terrorists and criminals like Hezbollah and Hamas as it relates to the physical existence of Israel. Why haven't they eliminated Israel? All any half wit has to do is look at a map to know it could not be all that hard. 300 miles, give or take, fom Elat to Lebanon border surround by Muslim nations. So why it Isreal still there if not of God? And don't go quoting scripture about the blessing of your blindness when the bodily resurrectiuon was witnessed by sight.
Actually they did come down from heaven because they were standing on earth.
In John 3:13 Jesus was saying that no man can ascend to the father to learn God's will and then return to earth to teach mankind. Only the one who descended from the bosom of the father in heaven is able to teach mankind God's will.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no one has ascended into heaven, except the one descending out of heaven, the son of man, the one being in heaven. John 3:11-13
It was a direct reference to Moses telling Israel to look in their hearts for how to do God's will, rather than thinking they would have to go into heaven to learn it.
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Deuteronomy 30:11-12
But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. Deuteronomy 30:14
In a nutshell, zionism is believing Jews are entitled to the land of Israel. The reason Israel hasn't been destroyed is because the greatest military power in the history of mankind protects it and Israel has nukes.
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Thaddeus
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I see you are still trying to overturn the plain words of the bible with your rational mind you believe leads you into spiritual truth.
The Holy Spirit is the true author of scripture. Your rational mind is leading you to theologise to overturn the plainly written word, which is authored by the Spirit.
No wonder you constantly fail to understand spiritual truth
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Anyway, thank you for your opinion the imperfect can enter Heaven, most illuminating I'm sure
A rational mind is better than a deluded mind that thinks it is following the holy spirit, but is following some other spirit instead. The heart is deceitfully wicked, so beware.
If Jesus didn't want us to use our minds he wouldn't have warned his disciples to be careful about what they believe, because if you don;t have the truth because you believed the wrong thing, in the end what you think you have will be taken from you.
Beware then how you are hearing. For whoever has, to him it shall be given. And whoever doesn't have, even what he thinks he has will be taken from him. Luke 8:18
Heaven is filled with the spirits of just men made perfect. It's written in Hebrews
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Thaddeus
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But as Hebrews tells us, Moses had not been made perfect when you believe he was in Heaven
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Made perfect in their bodies. That will occur in the resurrection. But their spirits have been made perfect. Scripture explicitly says so
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Well in your case, you constantly have to theologise to overturn the plain words of scripture, because it disagrees with your views. So, I think your rational mind is a hindrance in your quest to learn of the spiritual
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Thaddeus
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Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord:
Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Acts 18:19
And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.
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He also turned away from the Jews and said from now on he would go to the gentiles
It becomes tiresome reasoning with people who have to constantly attempt to overturn the plain words of the bible for it disagrees with the personal views.