Calvinism is Gospel !

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rogerg said:
I'm not adding to it - you don't understand it.
You didn't read it, or what Jesus said about it closely enough - you don't get the why
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Which statement do you not agree with?

1. Did God say he was going to overthrow Nineveh in forty days? Abolutely
2. Did God overthrow Nineveh in forty days? Nope
3. Why didn't God ovrthrow Nineveh in forty days? Nineveh repented at the preaching of God's word.
4. What was the response of God? God did not do what he said he was going to do. He did not overthrow them.
 
Cameron143 said:
Does God's word always accomplish its purpose when sent forth?

Did God send His word to Nineveh?

Did the people get saved?

Wasn't salvation God's purpose?
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God's original message through Jonah was an eight word sermon, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."

Was Nineveh overthrown in forty days? Did God lie or did he simply change his mind based on the response of the message? God was going to overthrow them because their wickedness. The people of Nineveh repented of their wickedness and cried out to God. God shows them grace and does not do what he said he was going to do.
 
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Genez said:
My excellent Pastor-teacher, R.B. Thieme, Jr was a treasure chest of knowledge.
He taught six nights a week. Initially, church members began to record him.
It was not his idea to record his messages. Today it has become a norm to do so.

https://rbthieme.org/
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I still have some of those tapes, and I have learned that even more important than his teachings is the example he provided of a pastor-teacher, who is very rare and thus so are parishioner-learners.
 
Once upon a time, a man named Calvin misinterpreted scripture and decided that all was decided as to who would actually receive
salvation. This, was a determination based on his own inclinations since he had total confidence in himself to the point he would physically torture and kill certain people who did not see the truth of his self serving interpretations.

Calvin, imagining that God was much like himself, considered that he must be very special for God to have opened his eyes up to the truth that, low these hundreds of years, had been hidden but waiting for one such as himself to bring to the light. Carefully, he cleaned up the actual words of scripture which were not actually the best to describe his own understanding. He polished and admired them. He held them up to the light. He knew beyond any doubt that he was more blessed and inspired than Moses himself as he had been given the key to a better understanding of salvation.

I mean what did Isaiah know anyway?

At last those believing themself at least as special as Calvin himself, could relax with the knowledge that God had named them in scripture! They were the foreordained! The exclusion to all the rest of humanity! They alone knew they would see God eye to eye while those excluded from the great speculation would forever regret not choosing Calvins' gospel.

Alas, those poor bumpkins who trusted in Jesus. Yes, even Paul would be cast out. If he had only not written Romans, he might have seen the truth.

Now, to the exclusion of all who call upon the name of the Lord, we can safely say that the bonfires of hell will be very bright indeed.
 
John146 said:
Which statement do you not agree with?

1. Did God say he was going to overthrow Nineveh in forty days? Abolutely
2. Did God overthrow Nineveh in forty days? Nope
3. Why didn't God ovrthrow Nineveh in forty days? Nineveh repented at the preaching of God's word.
4. What was the response of God? God did not do what he said he was going to do. He did not overthrow them.
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Read my reply# 1554 to @Cameron143.
 
brightfame52 said:
If we take your point #4 to its absolute literal conclusion—that God genuinely changed His mind—we end up with a God who lacks total foreknowledge or had to alter His decree based on human actions.
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And that destroys Calvin's theology.

When scripture states that God will not repent, it is always a reference to his ultimate plan with the nation of Israel. Always.

God has declared the end from the beginning, I agree. We have the ending outlined in scripture. But there are things in between that God has obviously given over to man in real time to make decisions. These decisions will not stop what God has declared in his word. Man can take part in that or not. It's a choice.
 
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Genez said:
Arguing against such dogmatic ignorance is like obeying someone yelling for you to start kicking when in quicksand.


You have developed ways of getting ahead of others by sheer bullheadedness and stupidity.
It apparently has worked for you. It is why you refuse to give up the technique.

It's a wonder how some are just endowed with such a natural brilliance for winning by stupidity.
Even genius stupidity!


;):coffee:... have some!
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I have recently received the insight that ignorance stems from not loving truth per 2Thes. 2:10, and lack of love for truth stems from ignorance. 🤪
 
rogerg said:
Absolutely, Cameron.
It was God the people of Ninevah believed, not Jonah, though it was Jonah who preached unto them. By whom did they obtain the faith to understand the warning to them was from God? Did they take it to heart just because Jonah said to? Nope, without faith first being given to them, they would have ignored Jonah's warning just as many, many people do, and would have laughed Jonah out of town, his warning being folly to them as 1 Co 2:14 so tells us.

[Jon 3:5 KJV] 5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
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They believed God, but what did they believe? They believed the message that God was going to overthrow them, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." They immediately did what they could to change God's mind that he would show them mercy.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

Did God turn from his fierce anger? Yes. Did they perish? No. God showed them mercy, and he did not do what he said he was going to do.
 
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John146 said:
God's original message through Jonah was an eight word sermon, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."

Was Nineveh overthrown in forty days? Did God lie or did he simply change his mind based on the response of the message? God was going to overthrow them because their wickedness. The people of Nineveh repented of their wickedness and cried out to God. God shows them grace and does not do what he said he was going to do.
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God sent Jonah to proclaim His word. We know from scripture that when God sends forth His word it always accomplishes the purpose for which God sends it. Salvation was accomplished. Ergo, it was God's purpose in sending Jonah to proclaim His word to save Nineveh.

It's really not that difficult.
 
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John146 said:
They believed God, but what did they believe? They believed the message that God was going to overthrow them, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." They immediately did what they could to change God's mind that he would show them mercy.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

Did God turn from his fierce anger? Yes. Did they perish? No. God showed them mercy, and he did not do what he said he was going to do.
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They repented and believed God because they first had become saved- that being the reason for it
 
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Nineveh was destroyed. Nineveh, the ancient capital of the Neo-Assyrian Empire, was comprehensively
destroyed in 612 BC. A coalition of Babylonians, Medes, and Scythians besieged the city for three months,
ultimately breaching its massive walls—partially aided by a flood from the Tigris River—before thoroughly
sacking and burning it.Its destruction marked the end of the Assyrian Empire and left the sprawling metropolis
in ruins. The dramatic fall of Nineveh is a prominent historical event and a major theme in biblical prophecy.
 
Genez said:
The false TULIP dogma came from his disciples after his death.


The TULIP acronym, summarizing the five points of Calvinism, was popularized after John Calvin's death, particularly in the early 20th century, although its origins can be traced back to earlier Reformed responses to Arminianism. The five points reflect a systematic interpretation of Calvin's teachings but are not directly from Calvin himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Points_of_Calvinism
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The quote says “popularized” afterward, indicating that Calvin affirmed that part of Augustinianism, although without stating it in terms of tulip.
 
Dave123 said:
That's a fallacy.
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No its not, its Truth. The Gospel is hid to them that are lost. The word hid in 2 Cor 4:3 is kalyptō:
  1. to hide, veil

  2. to hinder the knowledge of a thing

the word is in the perfect tense denoting:

an action that was completely finalized in the past, carrying results that continue permanently into the present and future

so while in a lost condition, the Gospel is permanently hid, the mind is veiled and the knowledge of it is withheld, so you cant believe it in that condition. Now if God saves you out of that condition, you will believe.
 
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