Do you believe there is more than one salvation?
the "earnest" we have received is the "earnest of our inheritance" ... not the "earnest" of salvation.
Romans 5:12-13 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
In new heaven/new earth, those who received salvation during their sojourn in the lifetime afforded to them on this earth will be saved from the Lake of Fire ... whether they believed prior to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to fulfill His ministry ... or whether they believe after His coming.
I understand what you are saying. I'm just trying to clarify that salvation in OT is the same in the NT ... salvation by grace through faith is the same in OT as it is in the NT.
Yes ... growing more and more in the "knowledge of God and the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 2:2). yet satan will continue to try to get his foothold every now and again. And as we stand steadfast in faith as he pokes and prods in his efforts to distract us, God continues His work within us to "perfect, establish, strengthen, settle" (1 Peter 5:10). "To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever" (1 Peter 5:11).
I understand.
yes, the peace that surpasses all understanding (Philippians 4:7) ... the peace the Lord Jesus Christ promised (John 14:27).
if a person is born again in our day and time ... yet that person is engaged in "thinking based upon false doctrine" ... is that person still born again? ... that person is still saved? ...
We can also get to the point where we recognize that even though we are going through a time of trial or temptation we have that peace of God which passes all understanding during time of turmoil ... joy in the midst of grief/despair ... comfort during tribulation.
right ... houses built on sinking sand ...
The only thing you have cleaned up is the fact that you don't know WHAT you are. Thanks! BTW, isn't spirit also a euphemism for pneuma? If so, and it is, why didn't you use both? Oh, it's YOU who can't see past one meaning. SMH. P.S. What is sawdust good for after absorbing up liquid waste, except the waste basket?πνεύματος (pneumatos): Genitive of "spirit" or "breath." The Greek word pneuma is a euphemism for breathing/wind; thus, the text draws a wordplay where a body without breath is dead, just as faith without works is spiritually dead.
Nothing deceptive on my part, not my fault you can't see past one meaning.
I've been cleaning you up all through this discussion. And not true it is good for nothing afterwards, you are just as narrow in your imagination as you are in your understanding.
" A soul without a human spirit will be dead to God." Correct. Our "quickened" spirits, are to lead our souls, "For as many who are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Rom. 8:14, for the Holy Spirit leads the part of us that He birthed. The believers spirit and soul, joined eventually by a renewed body, will spend eternity with God. The unbelievers soul will spend eternity separated from God.
I'm not conflating anything, that's why I used a capital S and a small s, differentiating between the two. Nicodemus needed his spirit to be" quickened " by the Holy Spirit and that couldn't happen until after the "death of the testator." Heb. 9:16, when the Holy Spirit was sent. " The spirit of man is often seen as the aspect(of man) that RECEIVES divine influence. The Holy Spirit "quickens" the inner being, AWAKENING spiritual life, regenerating the soul. AI generated. Mans spirit has to be in existence to receive divine influence. Awakening also means the spirit was in existence, but was " shapen in iniquity: and in sin did my mother conceive me." Psm. 51:5, thereby deadening it. Quicken Heb. 2421-khaw-yaw; a prim. root to live, whether lit. or fig.; causative to REVIVE: keep(leave, make) alive.... Greek 2227; to(RE) vitalize(lit. or fig.) :-- make alive, give life, quicken.
Again, spirits don't die, they are eternal. Mans spirit " goes up ", that's what the Bible says. " But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the Lord thy God hardened his SPIRIT, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand." Deut. 2:30. " And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful SPIRIT: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my SOUL before the Lord." 1 Sam. 1:15. "And the God of Israel stirred up the SPIRIT of Pul king of Assyria, and the SPIRIT of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and He carried them away, even the Reubanites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day." 1 Chron 5:26. These are just a few examples of man, righteous AND unrighteous, having spirits and souls, in the Old Covenant. There are many more, but if you want to keep believing what the Bible doesn't say, have at it.
Why didn't you use both?It is speaking of the life of the body which, is physical and that life relies on us breathing, not on having a human spirit. If we had a spirit, we would not need to be born spiritually, we would have already been born spiritually and would be able to relate to God. However, we cannot relate to God, all spiritual phenomenon is foolishness to the unspiritual for they do not have the capacity (ie a spirit) to discern it. You need to learn to read in context.
I know exactly what I am, a living soul just as God declared. You are the one who thinks they are a heavenly entity, a spirit.
You don't know what sawdust can be used for after cleaning up the slop? Why am I not surprised.
I wasn't posting to you in the first place. I know full well what euphemism means.
I'll post these scripture again, 1 Sam. 1:15, 1 Chron. 5: 26 and Deut. 2:30, among many others, and then tell me, no tell the Spirit of God, that man didn't or doesn't have a spirit before Christ. Refute Biblical proof ( and it's not referring to breath ). Then I'll KNOW what kind of spirit you are of.
I never intimated that there was a difference in the salvation of OT and NT believers. We, in the New Covenant, have been given a down payment or earnest of our inheritance by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which the OT believers did not, and the fullness of salvation is part of that inheritance, is it not? What do you call the period before the dispensation of the law? I believe that unimputed sin is grace, what else would you call it?" Do you believe that only NT believers receive an inheritance?" I would have to believe in replacement theory to believe that, which I certainly don't. There are too many promises God made to the Jewish people that have not been fulfilled. So, of course they have inheritances. You are reading or assuming things that I have not even hinted at, slow down and don't be so influenced by others.
Well?
