The Parable of the Ten Virgins does not refer to the church

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Again, the oil isn't symbolic. The wise virgin carries more oil in case the wedding party is delayed.
Lol
You just made the oil symbolic and are simultaneously overgeneralizing it.
You are casting the oil in the story as a sustained pr indirectly as sustaining light as a fuel.

What is amazing is that the very thing you are strangely minimizing, is in fact, the GAME CHANGER OF THE ENTIRE PARABLE.
(NO OIL...NO REWARD)
The oil in the parable demonstrates the necessity for going to heaven with Jesus in the rapture.
( the gathering of the bride)

So the oil (representing the Holy Spirit) is the ingredient of the spiritual believer.
Those believers That are carnal will stay .
(Maintaining a secular life.) Oil has run out.

So basic
So simple
Hidden in plain sight.
 
The definition you cited says "fiction or fable." Right? So a parable can be either one or the other. We know that The Parable of the Ten Virgins" is not a fable because it contains no fabulous language. Therefore, the story is a fictional story, not allegorical. The elements of the story don't have symbolic meaning. The oil is just oil, the virgins are just virgins, etc. The story, taken as a whole, makes the analogy.
Fiction does not mean it is not truth.

Derived from the Latin fictio (meaning "to form or shape"), it is primarily existing to explore human themes, or provoke thought rather than document historical facts. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

When Jesus talks about the tower of Siloam He is documenting historical fact, Lazarus being raised is documenting historical fact. The ten virgins are not referring to historical fact. Instead He says "Then shall the kingdom of the heavens be likened to". It is an analogy.

The word "then" is referring to what Jesus had just spoken:
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The Lord is making a comparison between two different servants in the house of God, the church. One is faithful and wise and gives the members of the house meat in due season. The other smite's his fellowservants. Why? Because he says in his heart that the Lord delays his coming and he is telling them to shut up. Why would he do that? Because he eats and drinks with the drunken and if the Lord were to come right now he would be exposed and appoint his portion with the hypocrites.

The context tells us about those that are awake, they didn't slumber and sleep. Some are faithful, they are watching and they are sharing about prophecies being fulfilled, but at the same time there are many saying to shut up, don't talk about prophecies being fulfilled, don't talk about the Lord coming back, don't talk about the Antichrist, or the Mark of the Beast, or the beast system or all the other things going on that are clearly pointing to the Lord's soon return.

This is the context of "then". The majority of Christians are asleep in the pews, some are speaking but as many as are speaking warning that the Day of the Lord is nigh, just as many are rebuking them, smiting them, and eating and drinking with the drunken.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Psalm1
The definition you cited says "fiction or fable." Right? So a parable can be either one or the other. We know that The Parable of the Ten Virgins" is not a fable because it contains no fabulous language. Therefore, the story is a fictional story, not allegorical. The elements of the story don't have symbolic meaning. The oil is just oil, the virgins are just virgins, etc. The story, taken as a whole, makes the analogy.
AI is leading you.
Causing you to get fabulously wrong.

Lol
"Parable" is what is used in scripture.
"Allegory" and "fables" language is generally used in other literature.

You posted earlier using "virgins" as descriptive language for believers, and "bridegroom" as descriptive language for Jesus.

"Parable" is basically a Greek word meaning to set or cast side by side.
IOW a story within a story.

You can not go to AI and get to the bottom of biblical allegory

You have no idea at all what you are doing.
 
You have yet to show where it says they had any oil to begin with.

You are inserting something into the text that is literally NOT there.
Oh no.
You are trying to convey something.
We BOTH KNOW what that is.
You stumbling block goes back to the first verse " 10 virgins"
10 believers.
Thatvis WHY you take a bizarre stand in ASSUMPTION.
YOU ASSUME THEY NEVER had any oil correct?
"Our lamps are going out", needs to read
" our lamps have never had any oil in them ever"
A totally bizarre position.
 
Lol
You just made the oil symbolic and are simultaneously overgeneralizing it.
You are casting the oil in the story as a sustained pr indirectly as sustaining light as a fuel.
Yes. That is what oil normally does for a lamp.
What is amazing is that the very thing you are strangely minimizing, is in fact, the GAME CHANGER OF THE ENTIRE PARABLE.
(NO OIL...NO REWARD)
I have not minimized the significance of the oil in the story. The oil is significant inside the story for obvious reasons. I maintain that the oil has no significance outside the story. Jesus does not expect his audience to figure out what the oil represents because it doesn't represent anything.
The oil in the parable demonstrates the necessity for going to heaven with Jesus in the rapture.
( the gathering of the bride)

So the oil (representing the Holy Spirit) is the ingredient of the spiritual believer.
Those believers That are carnal will stay .
(Maintaining a secular life.) Oil has run out.
This is typical of those who allow their imagination to run away from Jesus' meaning.
 
There is another point to the Parable of the ten virgins that no one has discussed except for me.

1. Trimming the wick means to cut off the old charred portion of the wick so that it is "new".

and

2. Half of these virgins, the foolish ones, have to go and buy new oil.

Both of these point to something new from the word of God, not that same old, dead, charred teaching. The best example of this being the teaching that these 10 bridesmaids represent the church.

Feast of trumpets is in reality the Feast of Shouting, the feast of the Midnight cry. It is also the Feast of New oil. It is the feast of the first fruits of new oil.

For example, saying that Revelation 12 Sign was the midnight cry and that the ten virgins represent 10 Feast of Trumpets over nine years and that this has escorted us to 9/11/2026 is New oil from this parable.

Another example is relating the Manchild to King Josiah with the timeline from 2017 to 2026. This is new oil. The people having a problem with this are those who do not base their exposition on the Bible but rather on what their preachers told them. This is the key point that everyone has missed. A lamp is used every evening. These lamps weren't something special for the wedding, they didn't have electricity, at night you need a lamp. The foolish virgins have run out of oil because it is time to buy the new oil. It was like firewood, you buy enough to get you through the year and now it is time to buy more and they have not done that.
"Trimming" is to adjust.
Wick adjustment is more light, but burns oil quickly.
To trim a sail on a sailboat is to adjust it.
Nothing is cut.

The Greek says "they adorned their lamps".
They adjusted the wick to burn cleaner or brighter.
No cutting.
 
Fiction does not mean it is not truth.
Yes it does. That's the definition of fiction. A parable may be a fictional story, but its fiction serves a real purpose: it is crafted as an allegory whose target is true. The events and characters are imagined, yet they are arranged to illuminate something that is not imagined at all—God’s kingdom, human responsibility, divine judgment, or the nature of discipleship. In a parable, the story world is invented, but the meaning it conveys is anchored in reality. Jesus uses a fictional narrative to point to truths that are not fictional: the certainty of His return, the necessity of readiness, the character of God, or the consequences of unbelief. The story is made up; the reality it reveals is not. That is the essence of parabolic allegory.
 
Yes. That is what oil normally does for a lamp.

I have not minimized the significance of the oil in the story. The oil is significant inside the story for obvious reasons. I maintain that the oil has no significance outside the story. Jesus does not expect his audience to figure out what the oil represents because it doesn't represent anything.

This is typical of those who allow their imagination to run away from Jesus' meaning.
Turn off your brain.
God forbid you form pictures, in your brain, forming the picture JESUS PAINTS FOR THE READERS IMAGINATION.

You are getting more and more bizarre policing what can be thought or interpreted.
Even casting down the components USED BY JESUS in the parable.
WITH ZERO STRUCTURE.
You claim nothing is allegory in the parable, then use allegory to explain two components ofthe parable.
Virtually using IMAGERY to interpret the parable.

Flat out bizarre.
 
Yes it does. That's the definition of fiction. A parable may be a fictional story, but its fiction serves a real purpose: it is crafted as an allegory whose target is true. The events and characters are imagined, yet they are arranged to illuminate something that is not imagined at all—God’s kingdom, human responsibility, divine judgment, or the nature of discipleship. In a parable, the story world is invented, but the meaning it conveys is anchored in reality. Jesus uses a fictional narrative to point to truths that are not fictional: the certainty of His return, the necessity of readiness, the character of God, or the consequences of unbelief. The story is made up; the reality it reveals is not. That is the essence of parabolic allegory.
..and don't forget to omit key components as you keep advising.
( MODIFYING JESUS' PARABLES)

SMH.
 
AI is leading you.
Causing you to get fabulously wrong.
Your assumption is false, I am not using AI to respond to you.
Lol
"Parable" is what is used in scripture.
"Allegory" and "fables" language is generally used in other literature.
You are incorrect.
The Greek word parabolē is broad and flexible, and that breadth helps explain why Jesus’ teaching takes so many different narrative forms. In Greek usage, parabolē can refer to a fictional story, an allegory, a fable, a proverb, a comparison, or even a riddle. It is a general term for any illustrative comparison, whether the story is realistic, symbolic, or fantastical. When the New Testament uses parabolē, it signals that Jesus is drawing a comparison through narrative, but it does not specify the exact literary form. Some parables are simple realistic stories; others function more like allegories; still others resemble brief proverbial sayings. The single Greek term covers all of these, emphasizing that the point lies in the comparison being made, not in the specific genre of the story.
(I got help from Bing AI to write the paragraph above)

You posted earlier using "virgins" as descriptive language for believers, and "bridegroom" as descriptive language for Jesus.
You are mistaken. I didn't claim that these terms were descriptors for real people. I maintain that the story, taken as a whole, illustrates the need to prepare for the fact that Jesus' Second coming will not take place right away.
 
Yes. That is what oil normally does for a lamp.

I have not minimized the significance of the oil in the story. The oil is significant inside the story for obvious reasons. I maintain that the oil has no significance outside the story. Jesus does not expect his audience to figure out what the oil represents because it doesn't represent anything.

This is typical of those who allow their imagination to run away from Jesus' meaning.
QUOTE
"Yes. That is what oil normally does for a lamp."
None of your overgeneralizing has any meaning, and is basically conveying omission to a component of the parable.

Oil, In the parable is the game changer.
So omitting that, by casting it down in a sea of overgeneralization, is not even a valid tactic in trying to change the meaning.
Try something else if the obvious meanings offend you.
 
Turn off your brain.
God forbid you form pictures, in your brain, forming the picture JESUS PAINTS FOR THE READERS IMAGINATION.

You are getting more and more bizarre policing what can be thought or interpreted.
Even casting down the components USED BY JESUS in the parable.
WITH ZERO STRUCTURE.
You claim nothing is allegory in the parable, then use allegory to explain two components ofthe parable.
Virtually using IMAGERY to interpret the parable.

Flat out bizarre.
You are confusing analogy with allegory. They are not the same thing. Allegory is only one of many possible narrative forms that a parable can take.
 
Your assumption is false, I am not using AI to respond to you.

You are incorrect.
The Greek word parabolē is broad and flexible, and that breadth helps explain why Jesus’ teaching takes so many different narrative forms. In Greek usage, parabolē can refer to a fictional story, an allegory, a fable, a proverb, a comparison, or even a riddle. It is a general term for any illustrative comparison, whether the story is realistic, symbolic, or fantastical. When the New Testament uses parabolē, it signals that Jesus is drawing a comparison through narrative, but it does not specify the exact literary form. Some parables are simple realistic stories; others function more like allegories; still others resemble brief proverbial sayings. The single Greek term covers all of these, emphasizing that the point lies in the comparison being made, not in the specific genre of the story.
(I got help from Bing AI to write the paragraph above)


You are mistaken. I didn't claim that these terms were descriptors for real people. I maintain that the story, taken as a whole, illustrates the need to prepare for the fact that Jesus' Second coming will not take place right away.
Look it up in the Greek.
Stop splitting hairs.

You did not know what a parable was or the FACT THAT ALL CONTAIN ALLEGORY.

You are using AI.
anybody can see it.

you are trying to "outdefine terms" with me.
A total waste, since you are doing "learn as you go" and trying to come across as an expert.

You basically think studying definitions replaces obvious interpretation.

rabbit trails galore
 
You are confusing analogy with allegory. They are not the same thing. Allegory is only one of many possible narrative forms that a parable can take.
You can not be a real person.
All that post is bot language big time.

Go play definitions with someone else.
 
"Trimming" is to adjust.
Wick adjustment is more light, but burns oil quickly.
To trim a sail on a sailboat is to adjust it.
Nothing is cut.

The Greek says "they adorned their lamps".
They adjusted the wick to burn cleaner or brighter.
No cutting.
There is a debate as to whether the "lamps" are actually torches. If they were lamps then trimming the wick of the charred portion would be part of the process.

So let's assume they are torches, the case for that is strong and clearly the "put in order" would be more appropriate for a torch than a lamp.

Now this is a society that does not have electricity, they don't have street lamps, and so families would likely have torches for when they do need to see outside at night. So then, what does "put your torch in order" or "adjust your torch" mean?

1. Strip the spent head. A rag/rope head that has already burned down is charred, brittle, and partly consumed — torch wicks were prone to fairly rapid deterioration in ancient use unless treated. The first job would be knocking or scraping off the crust of burnt material so there's a clean surface for new fuel to soak into. This is the closest thing to "trimming a wick" in the household-lamp sense, just scaled up. KnowWave Journal

This is my point, the interpretation of the ten virgins prior to the Revelation 12 sign (which I am calling the midnight cry) would be burned down, charred, brittle and deteriorated.

2. Rewrap with fresh cloth or rope. Since the old wrapping is partially gone, you don't just add oil to what's there — you'd need to bind on additional fibrous material (cloth strips, rope, hemp) to rebuild a head capable of holding fuel and burning steadily. A torch that's seen several outings has a thinner, patchier head than a new one.

None of the old expositions on this (prior to 2014) refer to the ten virgins as "ten Virgos" from 2017 to 2026. That is a new wrapping.

3. Resoak it — and this is where the oil supply matters. A dry or half-fueled head flares and dies fast. Getting it back to full burning readiness means saturating the rebuilt head thoroughly, which takes real volume of oil, not a token splash. This is likely why the wise virgins' separate oil flask matters so much: a seasoned user of these torches would know from experience that a properly serviced torch drinks a fair amount of oil, especially if it's going to need to burn for an unknown stretch of time (the bridegroom could arrive now or hours from now).

Now if you are going to expound the ten virgins as being ten Virgos from the Feast of Trumpets in 2017 to 2026 you will have to soak that with a lot of oil, various prophecies from the Bible that would support this. You can talk about the Writing on the Wall sign, you can talk about the Pandemic as prophesied in Joel, you can talk about the Psalm 83 war, you can talk about Jeremiah 49, etc. That would be from people who were awake and paying attention. If you are simply going to church and getting a daily supply of oil from your pastor you will not hear any of these things.

4. Check the housing and staff. The metal or clay cage/dish holding the fuel head accumulates soot and ash with repeated use, which can choke airflow and produce a smoky, weak flame rather than a bright one. Clearing that out would be part of "putting in order" too — not just fuel, but the mechanism that lets the fuel burn cleanly.

When you share something new like this you will get a lot of "push back", that is the ash that needs to be cleared out of the way.

5. Re-secure the binding. Cords or wire holding the wrapped head to the staff loosen with repeated burns and reuse. A quick retie would be routine maintenance any regular user would do without thinking about it.

Take a look at all these brothers and sisters who are watchmen, they have "retied" their interpretations multiple times.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Psalm1
There is a debate as to whether the "lamps" are actually torches. If they were lamps then trimming the wick of the charred portion would be part of the process.

So let's assume they are torches, the case for that is strong and clearly the "put in order" would be more appropriate for a torch than a lamp.

Now this is a society that does not have electricity, they don't have street lamps, and so families would likely have torches for when they do need to see outside at night. So then, what does "put your torch in order" or "adjust your torch" mean?

1. Strip the spent head. A rag/rope head that has already burned down is charred, brittle, and partly consumed — torch wicks were prone to fairly rapid deterioration in ancient use unless treated. The first job would be knocking or scraping off the crust of burnt material so there's a clean surface for new fuel to soak into. This is the closest thing to "trimming a wick" in the household-lamp sense, just scaled up. KnowWave Journal

This is my point, the interpretation of the ten virgins prior to the Revelation 12 sign (which I am calling the midnight cry) would be burned down, charred, brittle and deteriorated.

2. Rewrap with fresh cloth or rope. Since the old wrapping is partially gone, you don't just add oil to what's there — you'd need to bind on additional fibrous material (cloth strips, rope, hemp) to rebuild a head capable of holding fuel and burning steadily. A torch that's seen several outings has a thinner, patchier head than a new one.

None of the old expositions on this (prior to 2014) refer to the ten virgins as "ten Virgos" from 2017 to 2026. That is a new wrapping.

3. Resoak it — and this is where the oil supply matters. A dry or half-fueled head flares and dies fast. Getting it back to full burning readiness means saturating the rebuilt head thoroughly, which takes real volume of oil, not a token splash. This is likely why the wise virgins' separate oil flask matters so much: a seasoned user of these torches would know from experience that a properly serviced torch drinks a fair amount of oil, especially if it's going to need to burn for an unknown stretch of time (the bridegroom could arrive now or hours from now).

Now if you are going to expound the ten virgins as being ten Virgos from the Feast of Trumpets in 2017 to 2026 you will have to soak that with a lot of oil, various prophecies from the Bible that would support this. You can talk about the Writing on the Wall sign, you can talk about the Pandemic as prophesied in Joel, you can talk about the Psalm 83 war, you can talk about Jeremiah 49, etc. That would be from people who were awake and paying attention. If you are simply going to church and getting a daily supply of oil from your pastor you will not hear any of these things.

4. Check the housing and staff. The metal or clay cage/dish holding the fuel head accumulates soot and ash with repeated use, which can choke airflow and produce a smoky, weak flame rather than a bright one. Clearing that out would be part of "putting in order" too — not just fuel, but the mechanism that lets the fuel burn cleanly.

When you share something new like this you will get a lot of "push back", that is the ash that needs to be cleared out of the way.

5. Re-secure the binding. Cords or wire holding the wrapped head to the staff loosen with repeated burns and reuse. A quick retie would be routine maintenance any regular user would do without thinking about it.

Take a look at all these brothers and sisters who are watchmen, they have "retied" their interpretations multiple times.
I noticed "torches" used in the Greek while researching
 
I was raised under Watchman Nee's teaching which was based heavily on J.N. Darby. So I am very familiar with conventional interpretation of this parable. However, when the Revelation 12 sign was seen in 2017 and it became clear how incredible that sign was, then it also meant a complete redo of my understanding of the ten virgins. I had to "put my torch in order" get rid of all the old charred and deteriorated interpretation. Like I said the ten virgins cannot represent the dead in Christ (one interpretation that I heard) nor can they represent the bride of Christ (another interpretation that I was taught). Yes, the principle applies to Christians in a very general way. But then everything else has no meaning. No one else explains what it means to have a torch lit procession for the wedding. But this interpretation does. No one else explains with precise Biblical references what the midnight cry represents, this interpretation does. No one else explains how these "ten virgins" point to a ten year period and at the same time to a Manchild that was foreshadowed by Josiah becoming king when he is 8. This interpretation does. I have also had to retie my "torch" repeatedly as new prophetic fulfillment is seen.
 
I was raised under Watchman Nee's teaching which was based heavily on J.N. Darby. So I am very familiar with conventional interpretation of this parable. However, when the Revelation 12 sign was seen in 2017 and it became clear how incredible that sign was, then it also meant a complete redo of my understanding of the ten virgins. I had to "put my torch in order" get rid of all the old charred and deteriorated interpretation. Like I said the ten virgins cannot represent the dead in Christ (one interpretation that I heard) nor can they represent the bride of Christ (another interpretation that I was taught). Yes, the principle applies to Christians in a very general way. But then everything else has no meaning. No one else explains what it means to have a torch lit procession for the wedding. But this interpretation does. No one else explains with precise Biblical references what the midnight cry represents, this interpretation does. No one else explains how these "ten virgins" point to a ten year period and at the same time to a Manchild that was foreshadowed by Josiah becoming king when he is 8. This interpretation does. I have also had to retie my "torch" repeatedly as new prophetic fulfillment is seen.
The wise are the bride.
The foolish are carnal believers.
The 10 are the church.
Not all the church goes in the rapture.
Jesus said "pray that you may be counted worthy to escape...."

The virgin parable is also "worthy vs unworthy"
The same "50 % taken" ,are taught by Jesus a few sentences earlier in the "one taken, one left" of mat 24.
 
The wise are the bride.
The foolish are carnal believers.
The 10 are the church.
Not all the church goes in the rapture.
Jesus said "pray that you may be counted worthy to escape...."

The virgin parable is also "worthy vs unworthy"
The same "50 % taken" ,are taught by Jesus a few sentences earlier in the "one taken, one left" of mat 24.
The Ten Virgins are bridesmaids that make up the torch lit parade for the Bridal party from the Midnight cry to the wedding. The Midnight cry is a great sign in the heavens of Virgo, the Virgin, clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet, that is the light at night lighting the way and this takes place during Feast of Trumpets which literally means "feast of the awakening cry", hence the midnight cry. The torches indicate the light from the word of God that is leading the way. It could be referring to the two calves born with 7 on their forehead and announced on Feast of Trumpets in 2014. It could be the writing on the wall sign from 2017 to 2024. It could be the Revelation 12 sign in 2017. It could be the Pandemic, the vaccine mandate, the attack from Hamas, the US and Israel breaking the bow of Elam, etc. We have had 9 full years of darkness from 2017 to 2026, and we are about to have the tenth Virgo (Virgin) on September 11, 2026. Besides the reference to Virgo in the parable of the ten virgins, and the reference to the Great sign in the heavens in Revelation 12, the reference to go and buy oil directly applies to Feast of Trumpets as well as that is the first day you can offer New Oil to God and begin selling the new oil. Also Jesus saying "the door is shut" is also a reference as the first day of Hanukkah is when you can no longer offer New oil to God. The two witnesses are called the two lampstands and the day they light their ministry is the day that the first lamp of Hanukkah is lit, 42 months later or 1,260 days later is 2nd Passover when the two witnesses are killed. "Trimming their lamps" which would probably be better translated as "preparing their torches" indicates you are removing the old, deteriorated teachings on this parable, none of which refer to Virgo or Revelation 12 or 2026. This becomes a new covering for the torch and must then be soaked in oil from all the new prophetic fulfillment pointing to this day and converging on this day. The Virgins are in two groups of five because the Priesthood with 24 orders numbers exactly 288, two parts of 144, or 144,000 at the end of the age. The saints who are ready to go on 9/11/2026, the wise virgins, will be the virgins who make up the 144,000 to not only get raptured but also to be an evangelistic corp to assist the two witnesses and help guide the tribulation saints to the wedding through the dark night of the tribulation. Meanwhile the manchild that was born on September 23, 2017 during the Revelation 12 sign is depicted by Jupiter which has made a complete circuit of the ecliptic and will enter the crown the day before the wedding feast (Feast of Tabernacles) in 2026. According to typology King Josiah who was made king while he was 8 years old is a type of the manchild. On September 11, 2026 Jupiter that was born in 2017 is still 8 years old and does not turn 9 for another 12 days. The manchild depicts the raptured overcomers who are caught up prior to the tribulation.
 
Look it up in the Greek.
Stop splitting hairs.

You did not know what a parable was or the FACT THAT ALL CONTAIN ALLEGORY.

You are using AI.
anybody can see it.

you are trying to "outdefine terms" with me.
A total waste, since you are doing "learn as you go" and trying to come across as an expert.

You basically think studying definitions replaces obvious interpretation.

rabbit trails galore
I hear your concerns, and I’m not trying to “out‑define” anything or pretend to be an expert. My only point is that not every parable functions as an allegory. Some do, but others communicate their meaning through the overall story rather than through symbolic elements. The parable of the ten virgins is a good example: the narrative itself carries the message without requiring each detail to stand for something else.

I’m not arguing against Greek study or against obvious interpretation. I’m simply saying that Jesus sometimes used straightforward stories to make straightforward points. That’s all I’m trying to express — nothing more.