Revolution in Iran

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SonJudgment said:
As for the actual topic you're incredibly wrong about almost every single thing you've said about it from Iran, to Israel, to America.
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I can understand that an American who listens to Fox News could frame the whole thing as a "good guys" verses "bad guys" show.
I do not have those excuses.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you think Trump is a bit like Captain Hook dangling over the crocodiles mouth at the moment?
It seems that the only thing he can do to temporarily save face is to keep bombing without strategy.
There does not seem to be hope that any political or strategic advantage for America can be gained by simply blowing shit up.
On the other hand Iran has some shit that they want to blow up, and believe that they can empower themselves by doing so.
America's continued bombing gives them all the political cover that they need to keep going.

So long as evil people are alive and powerful it makes no difference to me weather "Israel" continues or not.
When that deception is over they will just dish us out another one.
I am interested in your perspective on it though.
If (hypothetically speaking of course) "Israel" was to become a casualty in this conflict would that be a challenge to your interpretations of scripture?
 
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Beekeeper said:
Why does that matter?



What if Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father and having His "millennial" reign at the same time?
What if His second coming happens at the end of it?
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It matters because it means the second temple doesn't fit the prophecy.

The second coming is what ushers in the millennial reign. Also it has been longer than a millennium since Jesus ascended into Heaven and sat down at the right hand of the Father to just state the very obvious flaw in preterist type heresies.
 
Beekeeper said:
I can understand that an American who listens to Fox News could frame the whole thing as a "good guys" verses "bad guys" show.
I do not have those excuses.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you think Trump is a bit like Captain Hook dangling over the crocodiles mouth at the moment?
It seems that the only thing he can do to temporarily save face is to keep bombing without strategy.
There does not seem to be hope that any political or strategic advantage for America can be gained by simply blowing shit up.
On the other hand Iran has some shit that they want to blow up, and believe that they can empower themselves by doing so.
America's continued bombing gives them all the political cover that they need to keep going.

So long as evil people are alive and powerful it makes no difference to me weather "Israel" continues or not.
When that deception is over they will just dish us out another one.
I am interested in your perspective on it though.
If (hypothetically speaking of course) "Israel" was to become a casualty in this conflict would that be a challenge to your interpretations of scripture?
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IRGC are pagans so already they're bad guys by default along with anyone that sides with them, they went and committed the biggest massacre in this century so far to start this war.

You're the one deceived and deceiving and your side is destined to lose, praise Jesus.
 
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SonJudgment said:
IRGC are pagans so already they're bad guys by default along with anyone that sides with them, they went and committed the biggest massacre in this century so far to start this war.

You're the one deceived and deceiving and your side is destined to lose, praise Jesus.
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All who are outside Christ are as lost as "pagans", so as I said I do not see a good guys verses bad guys scenario here.
Not sure what you are presuming my "side" to be, but that is on you.
I am not responsible for what you presume.
In any case I take that as a "yes" from you in answer to my question about "Israel".
 
SonJudgment said:
Also it has been longer than a millennium since Jesus ascended into Heaven and sat down at the right hand of the Father to just state the very obvious flaw in preterist type heresies.
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Yes, we would have to consider that the 1000 years is not literal.
I do however think about the fact that we have not yet entered into the third millennium since Christ was risen.
What could we expect to happen on the third "day".
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
 
Beekeeper said:
All who are outside Christ are as lost as "pagans", so as I said I do not see a good guys verses bad guys scenario here.
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@SonJudgment there is a refusal here for some to admit that Hamas, backed by Iran are all in the same bag, they are terrorists.
Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran has been involved in numerous terrorist attacks, with estimates suggesting that more Americans have been killed by Iran than any other terrorist regime on Earth. Specific incidents include the 1979 U.S. Embassy hostage crisis, the 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing in Beirut, and various attacks attributed to Iran-backed groups like Hezbollah. AI


Key Incidents of Terrorism Involving Iran​


1979U.S. Embassy hostage crisis in Tehran66 hostages taken
1983Suicide car bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut63 killed (17 Americans)
1983Truck bombing at a Marine compound in Beirut241 U.S. service members killed
1984Kidnapping of CIA station chief William Buckley in Beirut1 killed
1984Car bomb attack at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut23 killed (2 Americans)
1985Hijacking of TWA Flight 8471 killed (U.S. Navy diver)
1996Truck bombing at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia19 Americans killed
1998U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, involving Hezbollah's assistance
 
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Beekeeper said:
Yes, we would have to consider that the 1000 years is not literal.
I do however think about the fact that we have not yet entered into the third millennium since Christ was risen.
What could we expect to happen on the third "day".
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
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When you say the Bible isn't literal what you mean to say is you don't believe the Bible. That's a result of your heresy.
 
Beekeeper said:
All who are outside Christ are as lost as "pagans", so as I said I do not see a good guys verses bad guys scenario here.
Not sure what you are presuming my "side" to be, but that is on you.
I am not responsible for what you presume.
In any case I take that as a "yes" from you in answer to my question about "Israel".
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Yea the pagans and the heretics are natural allies seeing as they serve the same master. That's why you need to discard the heresy and get into the Kingdom of God. You can try to undo the the truth of the Bible and the Gospel, but it'll never happen, only your side will lose and the truth of God will stand forever, praise Jesus.
 
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SonJudgment said:
When you say the Bible isn't literal what you mean to say is you don't believe the Bible. That's a result of your heresy.
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When Jesus said "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up" was He literally speaking about the building?
In any case I thought it was only fair, since your side does not think Daniel's 70 weeks is literal.
 
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Beekeeper said:
When Jesus said "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up" was He literally speaking about the building?
In any case I thought it was only fair, since your side does not think Daniel's 70 weeks is literal.
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Jesus was talking about his body which is literally a temple which is literally what the text says. Jesus was crucified and then rose again three days later.

I believe in Daniel's 70 weeks. That also is about the end of times by the way.
 
SonJudgment said:
I believe in Daniel's 70 weeks. That also is about the end of times by the way.
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That means that you believe that an undefined time gap is inserted between the 69th week and the 70th week of the prophesy, making the timeline meaningless.
It also means that you do not believe that the 70 weeks given by Gabriel were literal.

I also noticed a lot of "figurativeness" in your interpretation of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

I have no doubt that metaphoric figurative speech does exist in the Bible.
It is a matter of recognizing it correctly.
 
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Beekeeper said:
That means that you believe that an undefined time gap is inserted between the 69th week and the 70th week of the prophesy, making the timeline meaningless.
It also means that you do not believe that the 70 weeks given by Gabriel were literal.

I also noticed a lot of "figurativeness" in your interpretation of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

I have no doubt that metaphoric figurative speech does exist in the Bible.
It is a matter of recognizing it correctly.
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There is no gap. I do believe the 70 weeks given by Gabriel are literal.

It's also not figurative either. Also the Bible clearly states that no prophecy is of private interpretation.

You're wrong to try to allegorize away the scriptures, that's why you don't understand them even though they're written plain as can be. Your cult is trying to rewrite the Bible essentially to maintain their heresy, but their heresy is nonsensical it doesn't hold up to the scriptures, it doesn't hold up to the essential Christian doctrines, and it doesn't hold up even to the secular history.
 
SonJudgment said:
There is no gap. I do believe the 70 weeks given by Gabriel are literal.
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I believe they are literal, but they begin at the restoration after the Babylonian captivity, and that "Messiah the Prince" is Jesus.
You may have an explanation of it I have never heard before then.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:

Are you telling us that the "command to restore and to build Jerusalem" happened in 1948?
 
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Beekeeper said:
I believe they are literal, but they begin at the restoration after the Babylonian captivity, and that "Messiah the Prince" is Jesus.
You may have an explanation of it I have never heard before then.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:

Are you telling us that the "command to restore and to build Jerusalem" happened in 1948?
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You have a problem not being able to read someone's full comment just like you have a problem not being able to read the full Bible. Your question is already answered in the previous post. It happens in the future near the end of time.
 
My "Verse of the Day" Rolodex features Exodus 20:5-6 for today, 17 July.

"You must never worship or bow down to them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other god! I do not leave unpunished the sins of those who hate Me ... But I lavish My love on those who love Me and obey My commands, even for a thousand generations."

w/commentary "Our love for God will affect generations to come."

*My commentary: There is no one that can have their salvation and hate it too.
 
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