Israel is carrying out a genocide, don't be ignorant.
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Correction to the above:
The mother of harlots is the great city of Jerusalem.
The seven mountains that she sits on is Rome.
You have brought out a very good example. Your wife bless you by encouraging you follow Jesus? Or your wife bless you by encouraging you rejecting Jesus? Rejecting Jesus example can refer to Israel state. Pro sexual immorality, pro abortion, murdering, robbing, stealing.
Following Jesus sample can refer to Peter, Paul, apostles after Jesus resurrection. Live a pure and holy life.
If you do something against Jesus teaching, I am sure your wife will bless you be pointing out and help you repent, correct? If you wife encourage you to go down sinful road, that is called cursing you. I don't think you will be happy about that. God will not be happy about that.
Jesus don't need our help to fulfill His plan. Did Jesus ask judas, jew leaders help to put Him on cross?
The only thing Jesus ask us is to is to follow His commandments.
You lie and slander. Self defence is not a war crime. According to you, anyone who defends themselves is a war criminal. So Mr Trump is a war criminal? Every American president ever is a war criminal? Do you not know that America has been at peace for just 17 years since independence? And Americans have the gall to criticise Israel. It's called hypocrisy.
God's plans and purposes do not change. Israel will be cleansed and repent as a nation. Read the Book. It's all there. Take off your blinkers and get with the truth.
God's plans and purposes do not change. Israel will be cleansed and repent as a nation. Read the Book. It's all there. Take off your blinkers and get with the truth.
Iraneus and Clement of Alexandria disagree with you. Unlike modern revisionists, they lived not long after Revelation was written.
I say that let him that is without sin cast the first stone.
To my understanding of the gospel Jesus came to give sight to the blind, search for those that are lost, to bring those in darkness to the light.
We are to follow the way of Christ, some here seem to think this doesn't apply to Israel nor the jews.
Judge not unless you be judged. For the same matter of judgements will be weighed against you.
But I guess its OK that so called Christians can slander and belittle Israel or the jews.
God said he will redeem Israel not because of merit but because of God's name his holy name. This is the will of the father.
He will cause them to cry out.
Mercy triumph over judgment....some may want to study this meaning for it is the covenant that saved us all.
To my understanding of the gospel Jesus came to give sight to the blind, search for those that are lost, to bring those in darkness to the light.
We are to follow the way of Christ, some here seem to think this doesn't apply to Israel nor the jews.
Judge not unless you be judged. For the same matter of judgements will be weighed against you.
But I guess its OK that so called Christians can slander and belittle Israel or the jews.
God said he will redeem Israel not because of merit but because of God's name his holy name. This is the will of the father.
He will cause them to cry out.
Mercy triumph over judgment....some may want to study this meaning for it is the covenant that saved us all.
If you know anything relevant that Clement wrote about Revelations, can you please share that with me.
I am familiar with the quote from Irenaeus that has become the foundation of the belief that Revelations was written in AD95.
This idea did not originate from Irenaeus (born before 155) directly, but from Eusebius (260-339) who misquoted him.
Eusebius disliked the book of Revelations, and attributed the authorship of it to "John the Elder", alleging also that it was NOT written by the apostle John.
He also disliked Papias (born between 60 and 70AD) who states in his writings that he heard apostle John speak.
Papias identifies Apostle John as the author, writing in the time of Nero.
Nero is also "credited" with beheading Paul, crucifying Peter and boiling John in oil.
John is said to have survived miraculously, as was immediately banished to Patmos.
Fits well with his presence on the Island during Nero's reign.
For more on that, and an interesting explanation of the book:
The True Seed of Abraham is Christ !
So Paul shows in Galatians that the seed of Abraham is Christ Gal 3:16
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
And Christ is the Head of the Church Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.
So the seed of Abraham is the Head of the Church, if they be the same Christ !!
And they who are Christ's [ to the exclusion of all others] are Abraham's seed and Heirs according to promise Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Question, How can Abraham not be of the Church when His seed is the Head of the Church ? And if Abraham is of the Church of which His seed is the Head of [Christ], then how could it [The Church] not existed in the OT when Abraham existed ?
The seed of Abraham Christ does away with all physical and national barriers, for their is neither jew or gentile, bond nor free, neither male or female, for all are one in Christ Abraham's seed !
Gal 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 4
So Paul shows in Galatians that the seed of Abraham is Christ Gal 3:16
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
And Christ is the Head of the Church Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.
So the seed of Abraham is the Head of the Church, if they be the same Christ !!
And they who are Christ's [ to the exclusion of all others] are Abraham's seed and Heirs according to promise Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Question, How can Abraham not be of the Church when His seed is the Head of the Church ? And if Abraham is of the Church of which His seed is the Head of [Christ], then how could it [The Church] not existed in the OT when Abraham existed ?
The seed of Abraham Christ does away with all physical and national barriers, for their is neither jew or gentile, bond nor free, neither male or female, for all are one in Christ Abraham's seed !
Gal 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 4
This fits perfectly. As I am on the fence about this, how do you interpret Revelation 18&19 which seem to connect the downfall of Babylon to the second advent and the wedding?
While ethnic Israel was God’s uniquely chosen covenant nation, Gentiles were always included in His spiritual people. They were saved by looking forward to Christ through "types and shadows," and occasionally grafted directly into the Old Testament community.
Gentiles could be "grafted" into the visible community of Israel by professing faith in Yahweh and, in many cases, submitting to the covenant sign of male circumcision (e.g., Exodus 12:48).
Several prominent figures in Israel's history were Gentiles, including Rahab (a Canaanite), Ruth (a Moabitess), and Uriah the Hittite. Many theologians also view Job and Melchizedek as prominent Gentiles whom God declared righteous.
the Old Testament Prophets foresaw Gentiles joining the faith, but the full extent of this—that Gentiles would be "fellow heirs" on equal footing without needing to become culturally Jewish—was a mystery that remained largely unrevealed until Christ inaugurated the New Covenant (e.g., Ephesians 3:4-6).
Ethnic Israel was the earthly, physical vessel of this covenant, but the true spiritual Israel of God consists of all who share the faith of Abraham, whether Jew or Gentile.
As I understand it, the word "Israel" in the Bible, can mean the nation of Israel or spiritual Israel as in (Gods elect people).
I realise now, you weren't denying the fact that Gentiles were included in the covenant that God made with Israel.
During ot time, yes.
Since Jesus come around, no.
Since Jesus come around, the ever lasting covenant is revealed, Jesus blood with Jesus people.
Whoever reject Jesus blood covenant is not in the covenant, just that simple.
If a woman rejects a man's proposal and wedding, that woman is not in a marriage covenant with that man. Simple as black and white, day and night, light and darkness.
the real "gentile, pagan " are all who reject Jesus, the way, truth, life. It is that simple!
Ethnic blood don't matter.
Jesus blood matters. And only Jesus blood!
Hope many stop playing the "race" card. One human race, that's it.
Yes.
I have it on good authority that the earliest people of God were neither Jews nor Greeks.
Agree.
Abraham himself is from ur , modern day far away. Nor jew, neither Greek.
Abraham s true seed is Jesus. That's the everlasting covenant.
Bless Abraham means bless Jesus. Whoever accepting Jesus is blessed by God.
Curse Abraham meaning rejecting Jesus. Whoever rejecting Jesus is cursed by God.
Don't play the ethnic race card.
Only Jesus card.
Yes.
Furthermore, all who are in Christ are third-party beneficiaries of the covenant God pronounced at creation "Let us make man in our own image and likeness".
The price of the covenant was already secured by Christ before creation: "...the Lamb Who was slain from the foundation of the world."
So all, in Christ, are subsequently included in the agreement.
A "third party beneficiary" is someone who receives the benefits of a covenant without being a participant in the agreement. Children born to a husband and wife who maintain good order in a home is one example.
Ruth Castiglione. Kindergarten teacher in Hoboken.