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[Churchgoer]

i dont understand why you think germany or america are somehow blessed? american cities are full of junkies, high crime, low IQ fake people. germany on the other hand is having its entire population replaced by 3rd world human filth. i fail to see the blessing, but atleast the fentanyl is cheap

Exactly .

 

[HeIsHere]

Iraneus and Clement of Alexandria disagree with you. Unlike modern revisionists, they lived not long after Revelation was written.

Before attacking @BetterCallPsalms do some real research, you have no clue concerning the Geo-politics/Economics of the near east. Have you ever read any in-depth analysis of any of the peace negotiations, no you say, yes that is obvious.

With regards to the dating of the Book of Revelation...

Internal evidence makes it clear that the book was written prior to 70 AD.

The statement by Iranaeus is not without controversy and open to interpretation.

Your appeal to Clement of Alexandria does not support a later dating either.

This quote Clement of Alexandria (150-220 AD), once again assumed into the text as to who the tyrant is.

"And to give you confidence, when you have thus truly repented, that there remains for you a trustworthy hope of salvation, hear a story that is no mere story, but a true account of John the apostle that has been handed down and preserved in memory. When after the death of the tyrant he removed from the island of Patmos to Ephesus, he used to journey by request to the neighboring districts of the Gentiles, in some places to appoint bishops, in others to regulate whole churches, in others to set among the clergy some one man, it may be, of those indicated by the Spirit.
(“Who is the Rich Man that shall be Saved?”, Section 42)"

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There remain several other historical sources worth noting that attest to a pre-70 date for Revelation.

The Syriac History of John, the Son of Zebedee (6th c.) and both Syriac versions of the Apocalypse (6th c., 7th c.) explicitly refer to John’s banishment by Nero.67 Arethas (A.D. 6th c.? 9th c.?), furthermore, taught that the book was written before A.D. 70, and understood it to be largely predictive of the Roman siege on Jerusalem.

See discussion in A. R. Fausset, Revelation in Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments, vol. 2 (Hartford, CT: Scranton, n.d.), 548.

 

[God-fearing]

That ancient religion of the old covenant ended in the first century.

Not according to what jesus said.....not one jot or tittle shall pass untill all is fulfilled.
All has not been fulfilled yet ....if it had been then his second coming would not be expected.

 

[HeIsHere]

i dont understand why you think germany or america are somehow blessed? american cities are full of junkies, high crime, low IQ fake people. germany on the other hand is having its entire population replaced by 3rd world human filth. i fail to see the blessing, but atleast the fentanyl is cheap

Both are being destroyed from within.

People who support this war of aggression are signatory to the eventual collapse of their own "oh so precious fake lifestyle" of
supposed freedoms which have already been signed away... along with massive debt, fake AI economy and the circulation of capital at the tippy top while regular folks cannot find work nor afford a home.

 

[Melach]

Not according to what jesus said.....not one jot or tittle shall pass untill all is fulfilled.
All has not been fulfilled yet ....if it had been then his second coming would not be expected.

didnt Jesus say it is fulfilled. do you believe you still need to keep the biblical feasts and give animal sacrifices? why not, they are part of the laws jots and tittles

 

[HeIsHere]

Exactly.

For a few years I thought Newsmax, breibart were good. Then I saw Newsmax reporter quickly twist live story in front of my eyes, then put the dots together, even Newsmax, breitbart are controlled by the enemy of Jesus.

The people at least seem not controlled by them are, tucker Carlson, Thomas massie, Marjorie green....and some small independent churches, pastors.

So I am into small churches, at least I know the leaders, I know their backgrounds. I don't want big mega churches, don't know where their money come from. Like Scofield, how did he got Oxford publishing? Very questionable.

Even Jesus, Peter, Paul, John the Baptist.... they don't have big financial support. Follow their examples.

Always good to read posts by someone who has done the work with an open mind, led by the Spirit and found the truth.
Be blessed.

 

[Melach]

Both are being destroyed from within.

People who support this war of aggression are signatory to the eventual collapse of their own "oh so precious fake lifestyle" of
supposed freedoms which have already been signed away... along with massive debt, fake AI economy and the circulation of capital at the tippy top while regular folks cannot find work nor afford a home.

exactly. this one we agree on. then they will do a smear campaign and the poor and homeless.

you know, our doors are still open to you at the gates of historicism. dont worry we are patient people.

 

[HeIsHere]

exactly. this one we agree on. then they will do a smear campaign and the poor and homeless.

you know, our doors are still open to you at the gates of historicism. dont worry we are patient people.

You are cute!!

 

[Melach]

You are cute!!

i jest. but in all seriousness i believe eschatology does not really matter unless of course we run into the dispies who claim there are two peoples of God, two gospels, two destinies and all the junk that comes with it. support for a politlcal movement becomes the qualification for eternal life. dispensationalism has so many practical problems because its so centered on the news and the secular white people in judea today. all the other eschatological models are within orthodoxy

 

[HeIsHere]

i jest. but in all seriousness i believe eschatology does not really matter unless of course we run into the dispies who claim there are two peoples of God, two gospels, two destinies and all the junk that comes with it. support for a politlcal movement becomes the qualification for eternal life. dispensationalism has so many practical problems because its so centered on the news and the secular white people in judea today. all the other eschatological models are within orthodoxy

Agreed!

 

[QuietLampstand]

but friend if they arent the church then they arent saved. the church is simply the body of Christ, the assembly of true believers. whether you are jew or gentile you are part of the church if you are in Christ

Brother, if you believe in the Rapture, then no...the 144k are not part of the Church, since it has been removed and during that period resides in heaven. The 144k are those saved by Grace, through Faith...but after the Church, the Body of Christ, has already been removed.

But agreement on this doctrine is not a prerequisite for fellowship. Many true Christians would agree with you.

 

[God-fearing]

Both are being destroyed from within.

People who support this war of aggression are signatory to the eventual collapse of their own "oh so precious fake lifestyle" of
supposed freedoms which have already been signed away... along with massive debt, fake AI economy and the circulation of capital at the tippy top while regular folks cannot find work nor afford a home.

Its not the fault of people supporting the war, that's the deception your in.
Its caused by people walking in there own ways and doing and saying what is right in there own eyes. Calling good evil and evil good. Just as the word of God says.
Your anti semitisim and anti capitalism are well expressed here as with others. You are entitled to your opinion but in respect to the oxymoronic message you serve up defending the kingdom and applauding socialism as well as slandering Israel and the jews are in direct controversy to what the kingdom represents and is all about.
The kingdom is to unite jew and gentile o make one new man, the kingdom is to set free the captives which socialism enslaves.

 

[HeIsHere]

Its not the fault of people supporting the war, that's the deception your in.
Its caused by people walking in there own ways and doing and saying what is right in there own eyes. Calling good evil and evil good. Just as the word of God says.
Your anti semitisim and anti capitalism are well expressed here as with others. You are entitled to your opinion but in respect to the oxymoronic message you serve up defending the kingdom and applauding socialism as well as slandering Israel and the jews are in direct controversy to what the kingdom represents and is all about.
The kingdom is to unite jew and gentile o make one new man, the kingdom is to set free the captives which socialism enslaves.

You falsely accuse, that is always the way with you guys.
I am not anti-semitic, nor am I anti a free market economy, nor am I a socialist.....so utterly ridiculous.

You, whoever you are, do not understand that we no longer have a free market economy by any means.
Any way, when people make these baseless accusations because of what exists in their own hearts I decide to put them on ignore.

 

[Churchgoer]

Brother, if you believe in the Rapture, then no...the 144k are not part of the Church, since it has been removed and during that period resides in heaven. The 144k are those saved by Grace, through Faith...but after the Church, the Body of Christ, has already been removed.

But agreement on this doctrine is not a prerequisite for fellowship. Many true Christians would agree with you.

Are you saying that 144k no need to accept Jesus as Lord and savior?

If they perish today, they can go to heaven without through Jesus, the way?

 

[Churchgoer]

Its not the fault of people supporting the war, that's the deception your in.
Its caused by people walking in there own ways and doing and saying what is right in there own eyes. Calling good evil and evil good. Just as the word of God says.
Your anti semitisim and anti capitalism are well expressed here as with others. You are entitled to your opinion but in respect to the oxymoronic message you serve up defending the kingdom and applauding socialism as well as slandering Israel and the jews are in direct controversy to what the kingdom represents and is all about.
The kingdom is to unite jew and gentile o make one new man, the kingdom is to set free the captives which socialism enslaves.

Please explain what is the fact of "anti semitism".

Does that mean criticism towards isreal state?

I know what anti Christ is. That is against everything Jesus teaching, such as sexual immorality, murdering, stealing, pagan worship....

What is anti semitism?

 

[BetterCallPsalms]

Are you a Muslim by any chance? You repeat the lies of a Muslim terrorist organisation. You are the ignorant one. I've followed this closely since the first days of the Hamas atrocity. And you have the hide to call me ignorant.

As I've said way too many times on this forum, tell me how you would deal with people whose sole intent is to destroy your country? Not only that, people who have tried many times in the past?

I'll cut you a little slack because you are too young to understand what really goes on in the Middle East. But you should quit talking about things that you know nothing about. One day, you will have to account before God for your lies and slander. I can assure you that God will not be pleased.​

I'm just trying to remove the darkness over your eyes to see the truth.

 

[BetterCallPsalms]

Nonsense

How so?

 

[QuietLampstand]

Are you saying that 144k no need to accept Jesus as Lord and savior?

If they perish today, they can go to heaven without through Jesus, the way?

This is not a chide, but rather...I want to make sure I was clear...so, did you read my original post? The 144k are saved after the Church is removed before the Tribulation. However, they are saved via the same person and mechanism (Christ's substitutionary death) as you and I...saved by Grace, through Faith, and that not of ourselves.... We humans do not dictate to God how he brings people to His Son. We read scripture, attempt to understand what God is doing, but we leave the saving business up to Him.

 

[BetterCallPsalms]

I am still learning of course too, but too much has been said about the harlot to mistake her identity.
I have no doubt that she is Jerusalem.
In Rev.19 begins with praise of God's judgement "for he hath judged the great whore" and continues to introduce a theme of God's great mercy, the marriage of the lamb.
We would not put this into the same time period as the AD70 destruction of Jerusalem, but the comparison between the harlot and the bride is very much a theme of the book.
While I think that the players (ie beasts, horns and harlot) represent people and events that are now history, each has a spiritual legacy that continues to be in affect until the final judgement.
The power and corruption of the Roman beast continues, though in other forms.
The "spiritual" beast of Rev. 13:11 continues in it's deception.
The harlot continues in a modern form, how much longer for I do not know.
But God's goodness and mercy continues to His bride, undeserved as always, and for a little time more His open invitation continues too.

Spoken like a true ignoramus who has been brainwashed by Muslim propaganda. It is Muslims who are calling for the destruction of Israel. It is Muslims who started the attempt at genocide in 1948 and have not stopped since except to lick their wounds and start again.

You do not know what genocide is. And even worse, you use the BBC as a source of information. Do you not know that the UK is in effect a Muslim caliphate? Do you not know that Christians there are being locked up for quoting the Bible? And the BBC is complicit.

Do you know any history of modern Israel? Do you not know how the "Palestinians" (no such thing) have rejected every offer of a separate state? Do you know why? They will only accept a one state solution, which means the end of Israel.

Any nation facing that kind of threat should defend itself. Or do you think that Ukraine should give into Russia because otherwise they will have to kill Russians in self defence?

Why is that only Israel is condemned for defending itself? America has been at peace for just 17 years since independence. Europe has been involved in countless wars. It's part of fallen human nature.

Do yourself a favour and grow up.​

 

[Churchgoer]

Please read the 4 gospels again. Review how Jesus criticize jew leaders.
Please note that in Jesus time, they didn't invent the anti semantic word. If they did, they will surely call Jesus that name.

That word is invented by jew leaders in 1800s. Semitic means a group of people from shem, son of Noah. Please note that Arabs also from that line.

It is easy to throw a word, but what is the fact to back that up?

If we call ourselves Christians, we only need to serve Jesus, and serve Him only. Choose this day who you want to serve. The almighty God? Or a pagan calf?