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HeIsHere said:
A non-believer can also possess these qualities to some degree, they still are image bearers. Although it seems like Calvinist like to see every non-believer as psycho-paths basically.

I think this guy from open door fellowship gives some additional insight

Fruit in the verse is singular, that is important.

While unbelievers may experience a degree of all of the attributes, Christians are experiencing them for one grand Spirit-driven

purpose; that the cross of Christ will be exalted, and the grace of God displayed as the transforming power it really is.

So let us exalt in the cross again today. While the Spirit is keeping a kind of moral order in a broken world, the Spirit’s truest work

and glorious fruit is His work of making new creatures in Christ. They alone will declare the praises of Him who is worthy.
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When you were in elementary school.
When the teacher pointed to the map and told you that is where Russia is.

You accepted that how?

By faith.
 
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Genez said:
Here are about 50 translations!
Galatians 5:22
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Dont mean a thing, Most of those translations are of the devils flood of delusions. We have to use other scripture to match scripture. John Gill said wisely of Gal 5:22

faith; for though fidelity, both in words and actions, which is very ornamental to the Gospel, and a profession of religion may be meant; yet faith in Christ is not to be excluded, as it is generally by interpreters; for this is not of a man's self, nor have all men it: it is a gift of God, the operation of his power, and the work of his Spirit, whence he is styled the spirit of faith; and which therefore must have a place among his fruits; and which lies and shows itself in believing in Christ for salvation, in embracing the doctrines of the Gospel, and making a profession of them, which is called the profession of faith; all which, when right, comes from the Spirit of God. https://johngill.thekingsbible.com/CommentaryVerse/48/5/22
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And remember :Faithfulness is nothing but the continuous exercise and prolonging of faith over time,A person cannot display Christian "faithfulness" unless they are actively believing in and relying on Jesus Christ
  • The Root: Saving Faith (pistis)
  • The Continuity: Faithfulness (abiding in that faith)
 
HeIsHere said:
Calvinism is so very mangled.
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John 3:16. Acts 16:31

These verses do not exist in a calvies world.....Along with many others.

1 John 2:2

Berean Literal Bible
And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world.

King James Bible
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

New King James Version
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

New American Standard Bible
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

NASB 1995
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

NASB 1977
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Legacy Standard Bible
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
 
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Kroogz said:
John 3:16. Acts 16:31

These verses do not exist in a calvies world.....Along with many others.

1 John 2:2

Berean Literal Bible
And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world.

King James Bible
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

New King James Version
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

New American Standard Bible
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

NASB 1995
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

NASB 1977
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Legacy Standard Bible
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
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That verse supports limited atonement.
 
Kroogz said:
John 3:16. Acts 16:31

These verses do not exist in a calvies world.....Along with many others.

1 John 2:2

Berean Literal Bible
And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world.

King James Bible
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

New King James Version
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

New American Standard Bible
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

NASB 1995
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

NASB 1977
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Legacy Standard Bible
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
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"You think 1 John 2:2 destroys Limited Atonement, but it actually establishes it. [1, 2]

The text states that Christ is the propitiation for our sins and the sins of the whole world. A propitiation (hilasmos) is not a 'potential offer'—it is the actual, legal satisfaction of divine justice that completely turns away God’s wrath. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

If Christ is the propitiation for every single individual who ever lived, then God’s wrath has been fully appeased for everyone. If that is true, then no one can ever go to hell, because God cannot justly punish a soul for sins that Christ already legally satisfied. Your universal view of this verse logically forces you into Universalism (that everyone is saved). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

But since we know people do go to hell under God's wrath, Christ's propitiation must be limited to a particular people. [1, 2]

When John says 'the whole world,' he is using a common scriptural phrase to contrast the Jewish believers ('our sins') with the Gentile elect scattered across the globe. He confirms this in John 11:51–52, stating that Christ died 'not for that nation only,' but to gather the 'children of God that were scattered abroad.' [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Christ's death did not create a provisional, failed appeasement for people who will burn in hell anyway. His blood was a 100% successful propitiation that legally secured the salvation of His global, elect church." [1, 2, 3]

 
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Journey_man said:
1 Tim 2:3-4 is not saying that God has an effective, universal desire to save every single individual human being. Instead, the "all people" means "all classes and kinds of people".

Paul tells believers to pray for "all people," specifically listing kings and men of every rank, race, nation, and social status—not every single human being. God saves people from both high and low stations in life without distinction.

God genuinely commands all people everywhere to repent and presents a universal invitation, which reflects what is pleasing and right to Him. God's secret, sovereign choice (election) ensures the actual salvation of specific individuals.
If God had a sovereign, effective desire to save every single person, universalism would result, which contradicts Scripture's teaching on final judgment.
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Cavinism/reformed theory is the SAME as universalism.........Just differing numbers.

Calvies~~ No matter what you do/think/believe God will Soveriegnly save SOME.

Universalism~~ No matter what you do/think/believe God will soveriegnly save ALL.

The Bible/God/the Lord Jesus Christ~~ Believe on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved. PERIOD. It is to ALL and ALL will get their opportunity.


Calvies and universalism is......Saved by Sovereignty.

God.......SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH.
 
brightfame52 said:
"You think 1 John 2:2 destroys Limited Atonement, but it actually establishes it. [1, 2]

The text states that Christ is the propitiation for our sins and the sins of the whole world. A propitiation (hilasmos) is not a 'potential offer'—it is the actual, legal satisfaction of divine justice that completely turns away God’s wrath. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

If Christ is the propitiation for every single individual who ever lived, then God’s wrath has been fully appeased for everyone. If that is true, then no one can ever go to hell, because God cannot justly punish a soul for sins that Christ already legally satisfied. Your universal view of this verse logically forces you into Universalism (that everyone is saved). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

But since we know people do go to hell under God's wrath, Christ's propitiation must be limited to a particular people. [1, 2]

When John says 'the whole world,' he is using a common scriptural phrase to contrast the Jewish believers ('our sins') with the Gentile elect scattered across the globe. He confirms this in John 11:51–52, stating that Christ died 'not for that nation only,' but to gather the 'children of God that were scattered abroad.' [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Christ's death did not create a provisional, failed appeasement for people who will burn in hell anyway. His blood was a 100% successful propitiation that legally secured the salvation of His global, elect church." [1, 2, 3]

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You do not understand EVIL. Sin is finished.....For ALL. 1 John 2:2

This is very simple. On judgement day unbelievers plead their case with their EVIL, which is human good. Sin is never mentioned.

Matt 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

Matt 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.(Not sin, DEEDS/evil/human good.)
 
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Kroogz said:
You do not understand EVIL. Sin is finished.....For ALL. 1 John 2:2

This is very simple. On judgement day unbelievers plead their case with their EVIL, which is human good. Sin is never mentioned.

Matt 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

Matt 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.(Not sin, DEEDS/evil/human good.)
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Jesus did not die for evil.
He died for man's sins.

It is evil that drives believers away from learning sound doctrine. Evil wants to seek and live by false doctrine to make them comfortable with their own contrary natural way of thinking.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. ​
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number ​
of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3​

They use false doctrine to protect their own way of thinking like a bad parent refuses to discipline his children properly.

In Christ, GeneZ
 
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brightfame52 said:
How could you show me I was wrong when Gal 5:22 says plain as the noon day sun that Faith is the fruit of the Spirit ? So is Faithfulness. I understand you want to deny it and relegate it to faithfulness, because by it being faith, it overthrows your freewill theology, and it destroys your conditional salvation heresy. However faith is still the fruit of the Spirit, faithfulness is just the ongoing practice of Faith,You cannot be faithful to a God you do not first believe in. In fact both Faith and Faithfulness is caused by the Spirit, so people like yourself cannot boast.
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The verse you note here, Galatians 5:22, is portrayed as a link. (handy, yes?) and when you click on it, this is what it states:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

I picture you driving with someone beside you giving directions and when they say go left here, you turn right and leave them screaming 'no no the other left!'

I think perhaps that the noon day sun in question, was enjoying an eclipse with it's good friend, the lesser light, mr moon.
 
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