The fact that your Verse declares Jacob will be saved out of it removes this from being the 70 AD Destruction where basically every Jew in Jerusalem was slaughtered or captured. Like you said this is in reference to the future.
Harvesting of the Earth
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Not exactly.
Jews don't believe Immanuel was Messiah.
God was Jesus.
So no, theoretically we do not believe in the same God.
Bringing in additional portions of the context that shows the above is NOT a reference to ALL of Israel:
Isaiah 65:10-11
10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
11 But ye [are] they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
So this section of scripture fails to uphold the idea of replacement theology.
Just wanted to make that clarification.
MM
Dispensationalism vs Covenant Theology vs Replacement Theology
The answer to the perplexity of this dilemma is actually fairly simple.
If you will, in your mind, separate the 'law' from the 'promises' and consider them separately:
1. The old covenant ('law') has been "replaced" by the new covenant ('grace') - where salvation and the Church is concerned.
Hebrews 8:
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
2. The 'promises' of the old covenant are still intact - they have not been replaced. And, according to those promises, Israel as a nation "still has a part to play" - during the Millennium.
3. The 'law' was nailed to the cross of Christ - but, not the 'promises'.
Colossians 2:
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Where covenants are concerned - during the Millennium, Israel will "exist and operate" accordingly:
1. The individuals (original Israel) will live by/in the new covenant. (salvation-by-grace, just like everyone else)
2. The nation will "operate" within the promises of the old covenant. (essentially, the land, living in peace, etc.)
It really is that simple - do not confuse 'law' with 'promises'. With regard to relationship-with-God-through-Jesus, it is-and-will-be the same for all - Jew and Gentile alike. The only "difference" is that [original] Israel will once again be a nation on the earth - according to the promises that God made through the old covenant. (But, not part of the Church.)
The answer to the perplexity of this dilemma is actually fairly simple.
If you will, in your mind, separate the 'law' from the 'promises' and consider them separately:
1. The old covenant ('law') has been "replaced" by the new covenant ('grace') - where salvation and the Church is concerned.
Hebrews 8:
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
2. The 'promises' of the old covenant are still intact - they have not been replaced. And, according to those promises, Israel as a nation "still has a part to play" - during the Millennium.
3. The 'law' was nailed to the cross of Christ - but, not the 'promises'.
Colossians 2:
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Where covenants are concerned - during the Millennium, Israel will "exist and operate" accordingly:
1. The individuals (original Israel) will live by/in the new covenant. (salvation-by-grace, just like everyone else)
2. The nation will "operate" within the promises of the old covenant. (essentially, the land, living in peace, etc.)
It really is that simple - do not confuse 'law' with 'promises'. With regard to relationship-with-God-through-Jesus, it is-and-will-be the same for all - Jew and Gentile alike. The only "difference" is that [original] Israel will once again be a nation on the earth - according to the promises that God made through the old covenant. (But, not part of the Church.)
In the sense of being the bride of Christ.
Israel will be "its own assembly" (as a nation) - and, "all Israel will be saved" - but, not as part of the bride of Christ.
The Law and the Prophets
17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
They believe in the God of Abraham and you would be surprised just how many Jews believe in Yeshua.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, so that no one may boast” Eph. 2: 8
God gave us Grace that not even the angels have
God gave us Grace that not even the angels have
Dare we pay close attention to the grammar, that verse doesn't at all say that the new covenant is now in force from a past activation. The Mosaic Law is still in force today all the way through the tribulation. Notice that the establishment of the new covenant is upon "better promises," not that it has yet become in force. Assuming that into the text is a timeline error.
MM
You have to understand that the works-based salvation crowd who believe in salvation retention by their works as the means by which they allegedly keep from "losing" their salvation, they must inject meaning where it's nowhere stated in relation to the body of Christ today.
I've seen many, many hypotheticals by which they will try validating their anti-biblical beliefs, but, thankfully, our salvation isn't predicated upon the mounds of trashy hypotheticals so many seem to reek of in their drive to establish their beliefs as being biblical. There is no salvation nor a retention of salvation by works. That is a false salvation with no power to save even one soul.
The faithfulness in our salvation isn't rooted in us, but in Christ Jesus alone:
2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Were Christ to fail in His faithfulness to the truly saved who lapse into unbelief in any of its manifestations, Christ would then be denying even Himself any more than He can reverse His crucifixion, and He will NOT ever do that but the works-based salvation gang , they seem to believe otherwise from what this verse and many others declare.
MM
Revelation 13:1
The Beast out of the Sea
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads.
These are 10 nations around the Mediterranean Sea, old roman empire.
Revelations 13:11
11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
Kingdom of the Antichrist
The Beast out of the Sea
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads.
These are 10 nations around the Mediterranean Sea, old roman empire.
Revelations 13:11
11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
Kingdom of the Antichrist
The second Beast out of the earth sometimes called the False Prophet has a high chance of being the High Priest, leader of the Sanhedrin
Sure. Those Jews are known as Messianic Jews.
More Jews would likely come to believe if the Rabbi's would read them Isaiah 7:14.
"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." (meaning,God with us)
In an Atlantic article, titled "Kosher Jesus: Messianic Jews in the Holy Land," Sarah Posner explains that "there are an estimated 175,000 to 250,000 Messianic Jews in the U.S. and 350,000 worldwide, according to various counts, they are a tiny minority in Israel -- just 10,000-20,000 people by some estimates -- but growing, according to both its proponents and critics."