You didn't read Eph. 4:11-12?
There's gifted teachers perfecting saints, and saints being perfected by the gifted teachers. It really can't be more clear.
I realize nobody takes this passage serious.
Do you?
Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?
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You didn't read Eph. 4:11-12?
There's gifted teachers perfecting saints, and saints being perfected by the gifted teachers. It really can't be more clear.
I realize nobody takes this passage serious.
Do you?
Since origional languages are not at all necessary to know and prove gospel doctrine and salvation of the Lord, then no honest believer faithful to the plain words of Scripture written in their own laguage, can be decieved by learned charlatans.
Act 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Only the sloppy and uncaring, or the decievers themselves, can be lured in by original languages deceptions.
Mat 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Jesus Christ's prophecy has been fulfilled by translations into languages of the nations.
It's faith toward God and Jesus Christ, that we know all His Scriptures are perfectly preserved as first written, as well as translated properly into all languages of people on earth.
Not one Scripture of God ever exhorts, must less compels, any believer to read or kow the original languages, unless there is no translator.
Only the Islamists harp about the greatness of reading the prophet's words in his own native language, and the necessity in order to 'porperly' understand them.
Correct.
Act 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
In our own language provided by the Lord's prophecy of His words preached and read over all the earth, by translations of every language...
I have talked online on various Christian forums since 2010. That has been my primary experience but one has to listen carefully to what people say. They may say they are not out to sin, and that one must even live holy, but when push comes to shove and you ask the right questions or push the right buttons, that is essentially what many in America believe. I met the extreme forms of this to the lightest form of those who think they can justify sin on some level all because they have a belief alone on Jesus as their Savior.I do not know of any actual believer who is in fellowship with their Savior that thinks it is ok to gloss over sin. I'm sorry you seem to be having such a run in with those that do. I guess we just do not have the same kind of experience with people.
One Christian admitted to me in person that they could mow down a crowd with a machine gun and still be saved while doing so, all because they have a belief in Jesus as their Savior. Others have admitted to believe this when I talked with them online, as well.
A poster named, "FreeGrace2" clearly believes he can sin and still be saved. Check out his post here:
George Sodini shot a bunch of people in a Pennsylvania gym and did so with the thinking and intent that Jesus paid all of his sins in advance before he did such an evil crime.
Charlies Stanley, who is not passed away, taught that you can even go back to a state of unbelief and be saved as long you had a one time moment of faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Of course, he was a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Do you believe that a Christian can abide sins like fornication, or being drunk, or in lying and still be saved as they do so as per Romans 3:10? Yes, or no? If no, then you have my apologies. I believe a Christian must confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (See Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9, and 1 John 1:7).
I strive to be diplomatic and loving by the leading of God. However, when God calls me to confront those who believe in a form of a sin and still be saved type belief, I strive to expose it, of course. I have not done so in a long time. I have been involved on textual issues more. While I am not perfect, I do strive to ask people the right questions and help them to confront what the Scriptures actually teach according to Jesus and His followers. Sometimes its hard not to jump the gun, but its been a while since I had this kind of discussion on a regular basis.
We are told:
“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).
"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).
We are told to:
- Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
- Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
- Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).
Enduring or overcoming is a part of salvation:
"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life,...” (James 1:12).
“...He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13).
“To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,...” (Revelation 2:7).
"...He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." (Revelation 2:11).
"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,...” (Revelation 3:5).
My apologies if I jumped the gun and implied something you may not believe. It has been a while since I discussed this topic on a regular basis.
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Yes, I read Ephesians 4:11–12, and I take it seriously. But you are proving something that I never denied.
Ephesians 4:11–12 says:
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”
I believe that passage is absolutely true. Christ gives gifted teachers to the church, and those teachers have an important role in helping to perfect and edify the saints.
But that was not my question.
My question was: Where does the passage say that because someone is a gifted teacher, the saints should simply trust that teacher’s interpretation rather than search the Scriptures and examine whether what he is teaching is actually true?
Ephesians 4:11–12 does not say that.
In fact, Acts 17:11 gives us an inspired example of how believers are supposed to respond to teaching:
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
Notice why the Bereans were called “more noble.” They received the teaching with readiness of mind, but they also “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
And who were they checking? Paul.
Paul was not merely an ordinary Bible teacher. He was an apostle of Jesus Christ. Yet the Bereans were not rebuked for checking what Paul taught them against the Scriptures. They were actually called “more noble” for doing so.
That directly supports the principle I am talking about.
A gifted teacher can certainly teach me things I do not know. He may understand certain subjects far better than I do. He may have spent decades studying a particular doctrine, language, historical issue, or passage of Scripture, and I can benefit greatly from that work.
But “gifted teacher” does not mean “infallible teacher.”
Finding a gifted teacher who is completely accurate or perfect in everything he teaches has not been my experience so far. I have learned valuable things from different teachers, but sooner or later I generally find some point of doctrine or interpretation where I disagree with them.
I also believe we are living in the last days, and Scripture itself warns us:
“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.” (2 Timothy 3:1).
Because of that, I think the chances of finding a teacher today who somehow “checks every box” in his understanding of the Bible are very slim. Granted, there may be broad agreement among believers on many of the major and most important doctrines, but there is almost always going to be something where sincere Bible teachers differ.
That does not mean I cannot learn from them. I may agree with a teacher on the overwhelming majority of what he teaches and benefit tremendously from his studies. But I still cannot surrender my responsibility before God to examine what he teaches by the Scriptures.
In fact, Ephesians 4 itself goes on to explain that the purpose of this teaching is spiritual maturity:
“That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine...” (Ephesians 4:14).
The goal of a gifted teacher should not be to create lifelong dependence upon himself. The goal should be to help believers become mature, grounded in the truth, and capable of recognizing error.
Paul also says:
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
So yes, I absolutely take Ephesians 4:11–12 seriously.
Ephesians 4 establishes that Christ gives teachers to help perfect and edify the saints.
Acts 17:11 establishes that the saints still have a responsibility to search the Scriptures and determine “whether those things were so.”
Those two truths do not contradict one another. They work together.
A good teacher teaches you the Scriptures. A good student receives that teaching with readiness of mind, appreciates what he can learn, and then searches the Scriptures for himself to see whether those things are so.
So the ball is still in your court.
Show me the verse that says the qualification or function of a gifted teacher includes the kind of authority you are assigning to him, where his interpretation is supposed to be accepted simply because he is the gifted teacher.
Ephesians 4:11–12 does not say that. And Acts 17:11 actually praises believers as “more noble” for doing the very thing I am advocating.
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Bible Highlighter said:
The main problem with saying “believe” is a mistranslation in Luke 24:25 is the Greek construction itself.
Beza 1598 reads:
τοῦ πιστεύειν ἐπὶ πᾶσιν οἷς ἐλάλησαν οἱ προφῆται
The form πιστεύειν comes from the root or lexical form πιστεύω, “to believe, trust.” It is naturally understood here as “to believe/rely upon all that the prophets had spoken,” just as the KJV says:
“slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken.”
Now, the same root word πιστεύω can sometimes mean “entrust” or “commit,” but in a different construction. Compare John 2:24:
οὐκ ἐπίστευεν αὐτὸν αὐτοῖς
Here ἐπίστευεν is also a form of πιστεύω, but the construction is different:
αὐτόν = himself
αὐτοῖς = to them
Hence the KJV correctly says Jesus “did not commit himself unto them.”
This distinction is recognized in Stephanus' lexicon. You can examine the lexicon entry here:
Stephanus, Thesaurus Graecae Linguae (Column 1114):
https://archive.org/details/tgl-prospectus-13/TGL_vol_6a/page/n559/mode/2up
Look for the Greek headword πιστεύω at the beginning of the entry.
At the beginning of the entry for πιστεύω, Stephanus gives a Latin word cluster that includes Fidem habeo (“I have faith”), Credo (“I believe”), Fido (“I trust”), and Confido (“I trust / have confidence”). That semantic cluster fits Luke 24:25 very naturally: the disciples were slow of heart to believe, trust, or give credence to all that the prophets had spoken.
Ask ChatGPT to translate the Latin words for the Greek entry.
If you need to confirm the translation from Latin into English, you can use this Latin to English dictionary here:
Luke 24:25 does not have the John 2:24 type of construction. Nobody is being entrusted or surrendered to anybody. Rather, πιστεύειν is directed toward all that the prophets had spoken.
Greek also has much clearer language for actual submission or giving oneself: ὑποτάσσω, “submit,” in James 4:7; παρίστημι, “yield yourselves,” in Romans 6:13; and ἑαυτοὺς ἔδωκαν, “gave their own selves,” in 2 Corinthians 8:5.
So “surrender yourselves to the Scriptures” may be an application, but it is not a correction of a mistranslation. Both πιστεύειν in Luke 24:25 and ἐπίστευεν in John 2:24 come from πιστεύω; the difference in meaning comes from the construction, and Beza’s construction in Luke 24:25 supports the KJV’s “to believe.”
Then again, do take my word for it. Also, do not trust your teacher, either.
Do you own homework and study on the matter.
Get the source links, stats, facts, and figures for yourself.
Don't let others spoon feed you.
Be a good Berean!
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I hope I am wrong, but it sounds like you cannot think for yourself when it comes to the original languages unless your teacher tells you what it means. If that is the case, then this person sounds dangerously like a cult leader. Cult leaders want you to blindly believe them and they do not want you to be a good Berean and fact check anything for yourself or look to the Scriptures for yourself in prayer. They don't want you to learn Greek or Hebrew or do original language word studies by your own honest study in seeking after real truth.
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Just check the link I gave you and there are little tons of verses that imply that very idea. How you can read the Bible and duck, dodge and avoid them is beyond me. It's in tons of pages in the New Testament. Ask the Lord to open your eyes on this matter.
If it's not true, then you have nothing to worry about.
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Sorry i can't go there on your post makes nothing up lift in me . .
The world will alway judge . them that dinyt Have The actuve knowledge that just Knowing The Just Judge the judgment of the world was Judged and is no more unkess you are Not if Him .let the world judge the worldly .
Lord Jesus Nike or Not?
,is The first and final answer anyine should asj and know
I think I understand what you are saying. You are emphasizing that Christianity is not merely knowing words on a page, but actually knowing Christ and experiencing the reality of His power and victory. I agree that merely possessing information does not make a person truly spiritual or that they have the power of the Lord working in them.
But that does not answer the point I made from Titus 2:11–12. Paul specifically says:
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.”
So this is not a choice between “living knowledge” and a “rule book.” The same Holy Spirit who gives spiritual life also inspired the written Scriptures and tells us how the grace of God actually operates in our lives. According to Paul, grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live righteously and godly.
Also, “the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life” in 2 Corinthians 3:6 does not mean that carefully studying what Scripture actually says is dead or harmful. Paul is contrasting the old covenant ministry of condemnation with the ministry of the Spirit. He was not teaching Christians to disregard the written Scriptures in favor of some experience apart from them. Paul himself continually appealed to what was written.
And yes, Jesus is victorious. If by “Nike” you mean the Greek word νίκη (nikē), meaning “victory,” then absolutely, Christ has the victory. But that is not the only knowledge God has given us in the Bible, nor is it the only truth we are commanded to live by.
The question is whether the victory of Christ is actually being manifested in our lives. If Jesus is not living victoriously through us, with us denying ungodliness and living holy, then simply saying “Jesus has the victory” does not settle the matter.
Scripture says:
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” (Hebrews 12:14).
That is why Titus 2:11–12 is directly relevant. The grace of God does not merely tell us that Christ won the victory. That same grace teaches us how we are supposed to live because of that victory.
So yes, Christ has the νίκη (nikē), the victory. But Scripture also teaches that His people must walk in that victory by the Spirit, denying ungodliness and pursuing holiness. We cannot separate Christ’s victory from the kind of life His grace teaches us to live.
So my original question still stands: If a Christian can continue in sin under grace with impunity, why does Scripture specifically say that the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and why does Hebrews say that without holiness “no man shall see the Lord”?
That is the point I would like you to address.
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It is not necessary. The apostles quoted the septuagint which was a greek translation of the Tanakh. They quoted it as the word of God and it can be proven they quoted the septuagint in particular because of the quotes in Hebrews which do not match the masoretic readings but do match the septuagint.
I can only tell you to get out more often. I have talked to people in the real world for many years. Try it.
You know, the devil prob knows scripture better than most Christians. He certainly addressed Jesus that way. Any fool can call themself a Christian and do whatever. There are mental institutions for people whose reality does not check with the actual reality but they are not used enough.
I have plainly and most notably expressed every thought I have on sin and I find it hard to believe you think I agree with living in sin. Actually, you know what? I don't believe you are asking an actual question here. smh
(from the other post I answered) We do not have the same understanding as I already stated. THAT does not mean I look for ways to sin or live in sin and an indicator of your prejudice and problem of reading into people's answers which is false judgement and a sin. See how that works?
In that case why mention him?
I don't listen to dried up twigs anyway.Oh I just love it when someone says 'God' says or told me to says or calls me to 'insert inappropriate action'. I am not the person you are looking for. You want someone who does not study scripture and has been taught by the usual semi-comatose pastor, teacher or false prophet. And believes all of it but sits in the pew as if hit by a stun gun. Don't make excuse for how long it has been since you interacted with people who (shock) do not think exactly like you and do not think they must accomadate you. We are supposed to be ready in season and out of it.
LOL...you are not just jumping the gun. You are shooting in the dark in all directions but without an actual target.
Not bothering with the rest of your belabored post.
Vines: "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."
Do you know why this perfect definition of pisteuo doesn't come up on your AI?
Because it was never coded into it, and nobody was or is talking about it.
Pm
30 years ago, I began bearing witness on Christian discussion sites to what happened to me when I started to live a continually surrendered life. When I talked about faith and faithing, pistis and pisteuo, mainly how the English language had no corresponding verb to the noun faith. I was trampled relentlessly and still am today by those who have fallen into the trap of the mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing.
After a few years, I began to notice some of the " members" had 25, 30 thousand posts in a matterof just a few years, and they just never seemed to take a stance on anything. I didn't know it at the time but I was witnessing the beginning of what we know as an algorithm today. So taking this seriously, I came to the conclusion back then that these were bots and were collecting information from us and we're going to use it against us someday.
So I stopped posting for a long time, and when I resumed, there was certain things that I would never reveal about Christ, the Holy spirit, the mind of Christ, and the salvation process. And one of the reasons for that was so this i precious information wouldn't be collected by these bots and be parroted , perverting the salvation process.
Fast forward to today.
Still the same problem, the mistranslated words believe is still the cornerstone of most of the church world. Only now we have AI to support this lie.
I'm here putting my experience on the table to be tested by other peoples experience. And it seems to me that im talking with a new kind of called out one. One that instead of a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender, they are personally surrendering their life to an AI and living a life inspired by such surrender to an AI. Replacing God, and the gifted teacher with a machine.
So here I am, honestly and truthfully putting my most precious things i have on the table, with my own mind, only to be talking to people with AI in their back pockets. seemingly an AI, with a human as the line of communication. Describing a synthetic version of their experiences filtered through an AI.
And the ironic part of it all, is you questioned my dedication to thinking for myself, while openly supporting everything your saying with an AI. You can't even see the hypocrisy in your own words anymore.
Sadly, my concern that we are at this time fulfilling the scripture, "a time will come when they will nolonger endure sound doctrine " is proving itself to be true by your very own words.
The first thing I do to test anyone at any level is to see what their understanding of faith and faithing is. Your are standing on the word believe, and morphing it into trust. That is what I've always perceived as going around that first altar, where the first surrendered life is made. Your AI will support your stance all day long, and i have no desire to share the most precious things in this life with a machine to try and persuade you otherwise.
Bible Highlighter, im not singling you out, I presume most of the members are doing this now. I can't bear witness to a path in Christ that includes the AI replacing the gifted teachers. I hope you find one.
Jay
Yes. The last days began 2000 yrs ago and what is more perilous than believers being hunted like prey in 3rd world countries?
Navel gazing in this country is an art form.
Sorry, but that conclusion does not follow. The fact that some New Testament quotations agree more closely with surviving Greek Old Testament manuscripts than with the Masoretic Text does not prove that the apostles quoted from one particular Greek translation or regarded it as the definitive word of God.
For one thing, Jesus spoke of “one jot or one tittle,” which refers to details of the Hebrew text. Jesus also said that “salvation is of the Jews,” and during His earthly ministry He initially instructed His disciples not to go among the Gentiles, but rather to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” These facts do not support the idea that the Hebrew Scriptures had become unnecessary or had been replaced by a Greek translation.
Furthermore, speaking of “the Septuagint” as though there were only one uniform Greek Old Testament is misleading. In reality, there are multiple LXXs, representing different Greek translations, revisions, and textual forms, rather than one identical and unchanging Greek Bible. We do not possess a complete physical manuscript of the entire Greek Old Testament scientifically dated to before Christ. Our earliest extensive Greek Old Testament manuscripts, such as Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, come from centuries after the New Testament was written.
We also have actual evidence that later Greek Old Testament manuscripts were altered to agree more closely with the New Testament. A clear example is found in Psalm 14:3, numbered Psalm 13:3 in the Greek tradition.
In Romans 3:13–18, Paul did not quote one continuous passage from Psalm 14. He gathered statements from several different Old Testament passages and combined them into one argument. His words come from passages such as Psalms 5:9, 10:7, 36:1, and 140:3, along with Isaiah 59:7–8.
However, certain later Greek copies inserted Paul’s entire collection of quotations into Psalm 13:3. This made those Greek copies of the Psalm appear as though Paul had copied the entire passage directly from the Septuagint. The textual evidence shows that the influence went in the opposite direction. Paul first collected the passages in Romans, and later Christian scribes copied Paul’s combined wording back into certain Greek manuscripts of the Psalms.
The order was therefore:
Different Old Testament passages → Romans 3:13–18 → certain later Greek copies of Psalm 13:3
It was not:
A complete pre-Christian Septuagint passage in Psalm 13:3 → Romans 3:13–18
This example proves that agreement between the New Testament and a surviving Greek Old Testament manuscript cannot automatically be treated as evidence that the New Testament writer copied his wording from a pre-Christian Septuagint. Psalm 14 demonstrates that later Greek Old Testament manuscripts were harmonized with the New Testament after the apostles had written.
Therefore, it is circular to argue, “Hebrews agrees with the Septuagint rather than the Masoretic Text, so Hebrews must have quoted the Septuagint.” Before making that claim, one must first prove that the particular Greek wording existed before Hebrews was written and was not introduced into the Greek Old Testament tradition afterward. The mere existence of that wording in much later Greek manuscripts does not prove that it existed before Christ.
The more logical conclusion is that after the resurrection of Christ and the birth of the church, Greek-speaking people wanted the Old Testament in their own language, so multiple Greek translations were made, copied, revised, and sometimes harmonized with the New Testament. The example in Psalm 14 shows that later Greek wording was conformed to the New Testament, not that the New Testament writer copied it from a uniform pre-Christian Septuagint. Therefore, agreement between Hebrews and surviving later Greek manuscripts does not overturn the authority and preservation of the Hebrew Masoretic Text or prove that the apostle quoted from any of the LXXs. The Hebrew Masoretic Text remains the authoritative and providentially preserved text of the Old Testament.
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I would say,when Jesus is the final authority and tells us our Salvation is irrevocable,and no one will take us from his hand,those like yourself who insist he misspoke are the ones who need to reconsider.
It really is a simple bit of logic. If we who did nothing to save ourselves are able to do something to lose our Salvation,then Jesus lied and it never really was Salvation by definition.
You are insecure in Christ when you insist upon something Jesus never taught. That you can lose Salvation.
Far be it from me to try to show you are wrong. When Jesus can't teach you that,mortals don't stand a chance.
I don't remember the twist in question
All i say is Curds & Honey. This basic covers most of what You say .
in me the attributes and the gifts are silently invisible i dont say i have faith ,grace or peace. The attributes are Him Alone. Now branched in It is He that does everthing .actually if you knew me would say when I say I, its not me But He who is in Me. If you want to talk about a attribute of Him Mercy is the most amazing to myself.
Knowledge of the original languages is necessary for all believers who want to work out exactly what God had recorded for mankind.
Otherwise we are relying on the supposedly infallible expertise of someone who translated God’s words for us, when we know that all teachers make many mistakes. There are many differing Bible translations stating different opinions on what the Hebrew, Chaldee and Greek texts say. How will you determine which you should believe regarding a particular teaching, if you can't understand the original language? IMO it is foolish and arrogant to be adamant about the meaning of passages one cannot parse in their original forms.
All I can say is that if you are for OSAS, it is a form of justifying a sin and still be saved type belief on some level. Even if you think that is not true, that is simply the implication of what will happen if a believer stumbles into sin on rare occasion. You may be great, but what of other believers? Do you think the prodigal son was saved while was living it up with prostitutes? I also have brought forth verses that you do not appear to agree with me on or praise. You also did not appear to explain them, either. This is also a problem. But believe as you like. All I can do is lead you to the truth of what God's word says. It is up to you to accept what it says or not.
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My position is "The KJV + Its Underlying Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek." So I am not against the KJV as a translation. I think it is a translation that is accurate in its wording (even though it is written in 1600s English). Granted, no English translation can fully convey what is in the original languages for certain words. I also believe that the underlying text we follow is the original languages that underly the King James Bible. For the NT Greek: This would be 99.9% of the Beza 1598 Greek. Granted, there are differences between the Beza 1598 vs. the KJV. There is about 50 or so translatable differences I found so far (although I am going over some of them again with a fine tooth comb). For the Hebrew: This would be the Ben Chayyim Masoretic.
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wasn't in this topic i don't focus on sin sabbath Ot commands, saved by this that or the other .i know jesus as rhe Lord God Who has The Anointing and Anoints.. Then i know His judgement . He Alone Son of man & Glorified.
But if you want Sin just deny The Holy Spirit or keep lieing to Him and self