Are you a monergist or a synergist?

[Journey_man]

What you’ve written is not just harsh—it is shaped by a system that forces Scripture to say more than God Himself has said.
You are right that hatred is the opposite of love, but you have taken that truth and built an absolute that Scripture does not support: “God only loves those who belong to Christ… it is impossible for Him to love them.” That is not exegesis; that is theology imposing itself on the text.
The same Bible that speaks of “vessels of wrath” also says God “is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil” and that His goodness is meant to lead to repentance.
The same Christ who pronounces woes over hardened cities also weeps over Jerusalem and says He would have gathered her children.
You list passages about judgment, blinding, hardening, delusion—and those are real—but you treat them as proof that God has no love whatsoever toward the reprobate, when Scripture itself speaks of His patience, His long‑suffering, His kindness, and His genuine call to repentance even to those who will not come.
The attitude I must gently chastise is this: you are so committed to a system of “eternal hatred” that you flatten the rich, complex way God reveals His justice and His goodness together.
Yes, God’s saving love is uniquely for those in Christ; yes, the reprobate will finally know only wrath; but to say God never loves them, cannot love them, and only hates them from eternity is to go beyond what is written.
Let the text stand in its own tension: God judges, blinds, hardens—and yet He is good, He calls, He shows kindness, He delays wrath. That is not sentimentalism; that is Scripture.

What I have written is shaped by Gods Word, it's not based on my personal opinion. God’s deep, redemptive love belongs exclusively to the elect. At the same time, the Bible states that God hates the Reprobate

Psalm 5:5: "The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers." This verse shows that God does not look upon the unrepentant with an unconditional "love of complacency".

Psalm 11:5: "The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence."

Romans 9:13: "Just as it is written: 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'" (referencing Malachi 1:2–3 regarding unconditional election and reprobation).

Leviticus 20:23 / Proverbs 6:16–19: Detail God's abhorrence of specific wicked actions, paths, and abominations

John 17:23: Jesus prays to the Father regarding His disciples, saying, "I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me." This verse shows that the Father's deepest, Christ-like love is directed to those who are in the Son (the elect).

Romans 8:38–39: Paul writes that "neither death nor life... nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." This anchors the believer's absolute security specifically in Christ.

Ephesians 1:4–5: "Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world... In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ." This verse describes electing, adoptive love as something set upon believers in Christ before time began.

You claim that Romans 2:4—which states that God's goodness, forbearance, and patience is meant to lead the Reprobate to repentance. But that's not what Roams 2:4 is saying. Instead it's speaking about "Common Grace", human responsibility, and the dual nature of God's will.

To understand this Bible doctrine, you must separate how God interacts with the reprobate (those not chosen for salvation) in time versus His ultimate decree in eternity.

The Preceptive/Revealed Will: Outwardly and morally, God’s goodness, material blessings, and delayed judgment are a call to all human beings—including the reprobate—to recognize their Creator, turn from sin, and repent. The intrinsic design, nature, and message of divine kindness are to invite a turnaround.

The Decretive/Secret Will: eternally God has chosen to withhold the effectual, saving grace necessary for the unregenerate heart to actually respond to that invitation. Without the Holy Spirit changing their heart (regeneration), the reprobate will always choose to resist God's kindness.

 

[Journey_man]

It is not God's wish that anyone perish!

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have
eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.

That is an open invitation to all of mankind.

There is nothing in the Bible to support the idea that God ever "wishes" for something. Why would God wish for something, when He is the only One who predetermines all things that come to pass. Nothing can happen outside of His will.

If God wanted to save every single person, then He would because He is almighty. You obviously don't believe that God is almighty, you don't believe that He is sovereign, you don't believe that His will is done on earth as it is in heaven.

The God of the Bible is not the same as the one you're describing here.

 

[Journey_man]

You are very limited in seeing things being either Calvinism or Arminianism.
Easy to turn one's brain off that way.
And, still think he is right....

Go ahead boy. Play dead.

You obviously don't know the difference between Calvinism and Arminianism, or what a Monergist or Synergist means. So there's no point in discussing thigs you don't understand.

They say ignorance is bliss, so enjoy your slumber while you can.

 

[Journey_man]

Some background is needed....

The disciples were wanting to know what works to do to be saved.
For that is what the Jews thought like at that time.
The Pharisees were always coming up with new works needing to be done.
It is why Jesus showed such disdain for the pharisees.

They wanted to know. What work does God require?

Faith is the work Jesus said God requires!

​

Jesus replied, “This is what God requires, that you believe in him whom God sent.” John 6:29 ​

READ!@!!!!!!

To have faith?
God first does the work of providing the power of grace to prevent our flesh from dominating over our soul.
For it is with our soul that we believe with!

After all.
God saves our soul.
Not the body.

THINK!!!!!

None of that is true, because it's all based on your imagination and not on any Biblical truth.

You're obviously ignorant of the fact that faith is a gift, which God only gives to His elect. So it's not a work at all. The Lord Jesus never described faith as a work, you just made that nonsense up.

God doesn't work with you, to produce salvation. He doesn't need anyone to help Him do anything. The only thing dead sinners contribute to their salvation is a stinking corpse, and God does the rest.

God does not only save our soul, He saves both body and soul. You should do a study on these things, to find out if I'm speaking the truth. Don't just reject correction, because you hate it. Think of it as bitter medicine.

 

[Journey_man]

Salvation is entirely by God’s sovereign grace, but your conclusion that a God‑enabled human response turns the gospel into “saved by works” is not what Scripture teaches.
The Bible consistently distinguishes the cause of salvation (God’s mercy) from the means of receiving salvation (faith), and it never equates the means with the cause.
Paul excludes human beings as the originators of salvation, not the participants in receiving it.
Faith is repeatedly contrasted with works, never classified as one.
So yes—salvation is by grace alone, and the human act of believing does not transform grace into works, because Scripture itself refuses to collapse those categories.

You can't claim to believe that salvation is by Gods sovereign grace, while you reject Gods Word, by claiming that you created or cultivated your own faith while you were a corpse.

My question to you is, how can a corpse create saving faith. You need to answer this question before we can move on to dismantle the rest of your unbiblical theology. I'm assuming you believe what God said about the condition you were born into. But I wouldn't be surprised if you reject that as well.

The Bible never separates "grace" and "faith" as the means of salvation. Both of these are gifts that God gives to His elect only. Your denomination lied to you when they told you that you created your faith out of nothing. They told you that your faith is a work, which you can use to cash in on Gods universal offer of salvation, to those who figure out how to conjure up saving faith.

You won't find a single verse in the Bible to support this silly unbiblical idea of yours.

 

[OMC]

The Bible never separates "grace" and "faith" as the means of salvation.

Grace is always the cause, faith is always the means, and Scripture never merges them into one blended concept.
THATS WHAT I SAID, BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS

 

[Genez]

You obviously don't know the difference between Calvinism and Arminianism, or what a Monergist or Synergist means. So there's no point in discussing thigs you don't understand.

They say ignorance is bliss, so enjoy your slumber while you can.

Run away?

There is much more to know and understand than the slice of pie you keep stuffing yourself with over and over.

You don't want to know what makes you think beyond what is simple for you to grasp.

 

[Genez]

Grace is always the cause, faith is always the means, and Scripture never merges them into one blended concept.
THATS WHAT I SAID, BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS

Grace opens the mouth. Faith is what fed into that mouth once grace does what it is supposed to.

 

[Genez]

None of that is true, because it's all based on your imagination and not on any Biblical truth.

You're obviously ignorant of the fact that faith is a gift, which God only gives to His elect. So it's not a work at all. The Lord Jesus never described faith as a work, you just made that nonsense up.

God doesn't work with you, to produce salvation. He doesn't need anyone to help Him do anything. The only thing dead sinners contribute to their salvation is a stinking corpse, and God does the rest.

God does not only save our soul, He saves both body and soul. You should do a study on these things, to find out if I'm speaking the truth. Don't just reject correction, because you hate it. Think of it as bitter medicine.

You don't know what you need to know to know what the truth is.

Simple minds want simple solutions....
Not to grow, because instinctively they don't become a threat to the devil.

Quitters want to establish themselves in a comfort zone that makes them feel sure of themselves.
That is why the Devil pretty much leaves Calvinists and Arimians alone these days since they have built their own prison walls.

That sound like how you think?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

God brought those civilizations to their zeniths and then brought them low. God isn't just watching over the affairs of mankind; He is directing the affairs of mankind.

Please consider Daniel 7:21-22:

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

You've got God directing the "little horn" (Rome) to make war with the saints and the "little horn" prevailing against them.

Then you've got the "Ancient of days" casting down (Daniel 7:9) and slaying (Daniel 7:11) the "little horn".

You've got God warring with Himself.


Please also consider:

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

You've got God speaking "great words against the most High" ... so God speaks pompous words against Himself???

You've got God persecuting the saints ("shall wear out" = Hebrew bᵊlā' = continually harass).


My understanding is that the god of this world (satan) is the one who makes war against the saints and who persecutes the saints.

It is satan who speaks pompous words against God.

satan works within leaders of various nations to war against other nations and God allows this to take place until He decides to step in and stay satan's hand.


Psalm 140:1-4

1 Deliver me, O LORD, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man;

2 Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war.

3 They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah.

4 Keep me, O LORD, from the hands of the wicked; preserve me from the violent man; who have purposed to overthrow my goings.

Who "directs" the evil men ... the violent men ... those who gather together to war?

Who keeps and preserves His people from from the evil and violent men?

I understand God's sovereignty over all.

I also understand satan's dominion (delivered to him through Adam/Eve's fall – Luke 4:5-6) ... his dominion as the prince/god of this world (John 14:30; 2 Corinthians 4:4) ... as the "prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2).

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[reneweddaybyday]

reneweddaybyday said:

Are you saying that "in the Spirit" is done "ignorantly" and "apart from the Spirit" is done knowingly?​

No. The opposite.

ok ... do not agree ...

Romans 1:18-19

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to hold down, restrain, suppress. The verb is in the active tense which means the person actively holds down the truth.

God reveals Himself ... God's faithful believers speak God's Word to folks ... those who suppress then consciously and deliberately restrain the truth. This is not done "ignorantly". It is done "knowingly" ... which is why God tells us in Romans 1:20 that "they are without excuse".


and if you read all the way to end of Romans 1 ...

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

please explain how "knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death" equals "man continually" responding to God "ignorantly".

.

 

[lrs68]

Making a choice is an an act of the will. But making a choice does not insure the choice comes to fruition. Jonah made a choice not to go to Nineveh and acted on that choice. But Jonah went to Nineveh. In James 4:13-15, a choice was made to go to a town to buy and sell and make much gain. James said what should have been said that IF THE LORD WILLS, we will buy and sell and make much gain. In Acts 17, Paul says that God appoints our times and the bounds of our habitation. I don't call that freedom.

I haven't even addressed our nature and how it limits us. If you conflate choice with freewill, then we all have freewill. If you believe freewill is the ability to make choices and carry them through to fruition, our will seems to be limited.

When you read the Book of Jonah it explains he gets tangled up in the seaweed and can't break free but as he's literally dying it tells us his thoughts, so he is praying in his mind (thank God that God can read our thoughts), but Jonah tells us as he's dying his thoughts were upon God. Then next thing Jonah wakes up, resurrected inside the fish. Of course we know the rest of the story.

But here's the question. Jonah specifies he thought about God as the life was leaving him. God has Mercy. So what if Jonah didn't think about God as he was dying? Would the story continue with Jonah or someone else?

It reads because of the rebellion by Jonah got him thrown over but as he was dying he basically repents. So it reads because he repents God preserves his body. Would God have perserved his body had he not repented?

It clearly shows Jonah using his own will to repent.

 

[Inquisitor]

There is nothing in the Bible to support the idea that God ever "wishes" for something. Why would God wish for something, when He is the only One who predetermines all things that come to pass. Nothing can happen outside of His will.

If God wanted to save every single person, then He would because He is almighty. You obviously don't believe that God is almighty, you don't believe that He is sovereign, you don't believe that His will is done on earth as it is in heaven.

The God of the Bible is not the same as the one you're describing here.

Do not rely on your intellect to understand the revelation of the Christ.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish
but for all to come to repentance.

It is not our Lord's desire or wish that anyone perish.

 

[Cameron143]

Please consider Daniel 7:21-22:

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

You've got God directing the "little horn" (Rome) to make war with the saints and the "little horn" prevailing against them.

Then you've got the "Ancient of days" casting down (Daniel 7:9) and slaying (Daniel 7:11) the "little horn".

You've got God warring with Himself.


Please also consider:

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

You've got God speaking "great words against the most High" ... so God speaks pompous words against Himself???

You've got God persecuting the saints ("shall wear out" = Hebrew bᵊlā' = continually harass).


My understanding is that the god of this world (satan) is the one who makes war against the saints and who persecutes the saints.

It is satan who speaks pompous words against God.

satan works within leaders of various nations to war against other nations and God allows this to take place until He decides to step in and stay satan's hand.


Psalm 140:1-4

1 Deliver me, O LORD, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man;

2 Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war.

3 They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah.

4 Keep me, O LORD, from the hands of the wicked; preserve me from the violent man; who have purposed to overthrow my goings.

Who "directs" the evil men ... the violent men ... those who gather together to war?

Who keeps and preserves His people from from the evil and violent men?

I understand God's sovereignty over all.

I also understand satan's dominion (delivered to him through Adam/Eve's fall – Luke 4:5-6) ... his dominion as the prince/god of this world (John 14:30; 2 Corinthians 4:4) ... as the "prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2).

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God isn't warring with Himself. He uses the little horn to bring discipline and judgment, then destroys the little horn. The little horn is simply a tool in God's hands to bring about His purposes.

 

[Cameron143]

reneweddaybyday said:

Are you saying that "in the Spirit" is done "ignorantly" and "apart from the Spirit" is done knowingly?​

ok ... do not agree ...

Romans 1:18-19

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to hold down, restrain, suppress. The verb is in the active tense which means the person actively holds down the truth.

God reveals Himself ... God's faithful believers speak God's Word to folks ... those who suppress then consciously and deliberately restrain the truth. This is not done "ignorantly". It is done "knowingly" ... which is why God tells us in Romans 1:20 that "they are without excuse".


and if you read all the way to end of Romans 1 ...

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

please explain how "knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death" equals "man continually" responding to God "ignorantly".

.

Understanding from a natural perspective is to live in ignorance. If they understood from a spiritual perspective their responses would be different. They are ignorant of their true estate before God.

 

[Cameron143]

When you read the Book of Jonah it explains he gets tangled up in the seaweed and can't break free but as he's literally dying it tells us his thoughts, so he is praying in his mind (thank God that God can read our thoughts), but Jonah tells us as he's dying his thoughts were upon God. Then next thing Jonah wakes up, resurrected inside the fish. Of course we know the rest of the story.

But here's the question. Jonah specifies he thought about God as the life was leaving him. God has Mercy. So what if Jonah didn't think about God as he was dying? Would the story continue with Jonah or someone else?

It reads because of the rebellion by Jonah got him thrown over but as he was dying he basically repents. So it reads because he repents God preserves his body. Would God have perserved his body had he not repented?

It clearly shows Jonah using his own will to repent.

Jonah certainly exercised volition and made choices, but Jonah ended up doing exactly what God wanted Him to do.

God knows us intimately. He knows exactly what buttons to push, what circumstances to prepare, what incentives to give to produce the responses He desires. Sometimes this manifests as discipline; other times it manifests as rewards. But it all is designed to accomplish His purposes.

So yes, people make choices, but God also guides those choices to do as He pleases.

 

[decipher]

​

Acts 5:3-4​

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But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to ​

keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did ​

it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that ​

you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”​

Note, what Peter said, please!

Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?

You have not lied to man but to God.”

.........

The Holy Spirit is the operative power, presence, or mind of God rather than a separate, co-equal person who is Almighty God. If the Holy Spirit does not speak his own words, whose words does he speak? Probably the words of the same being that Jesus kept insisting was speaking through him. The Almighty God does not get sent, does not change His mind, does not get surprised, does not grieve, and does not get angry because He already knows what to expect and is aware of the history of the human time line from beginning to end. The God of the Old Testament is the Son acting as an agent of the Father. All authority and power is given to the Son by the Father. Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. In Colossians 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature Paul is talking about the Son of God who is filled with the presence of the Father and obeys the Father (the invisible God).
If you prefer to rest your eternal life on a doctrine that a corrupt organization with the assistance of the Roman government implemented punishment of death and confiscation of properties to all who deviated from teaching the Trinity, that is your choice. Look up the Edict of Thessalonica under the Emperor Theodosius. All Christians at that time feared for their lives and adhered to the Doctrine of the Trinity. It's amazing that this edict still affects what is being taught in churches today. I guess it takes a certain amount of courage and prayer for understanding from the Holy Spirit, as well as deep research on the history of the early church. Don't forget that this corrupt organization at one time sold indulgences (forgiveness of sins paid by money), forbade the possession of a bible, declared themselves to be the true interpretors of the Bible, took out the 2nd Commandment given to Moses in Deuteronomy 5: 8-9 Thou shalt not make thee any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them who hate me. and split in two commandment 10 making the 9th commandment Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife and the 10th commandment Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

reneweddaybyday said:

You've got God directing the "little horn" (Rome) to make war with the saints and the "little horn" prevailing against them.​

​

Then you've got the "Ancient of days" casting down (Daniel 7:9) and slaying (Daniel 7:11) the "little horn".​

​

You've got God warring with Himself.​

God isn't warring with Himself.

I do not believe God wars with Himself either.

I do believe God has an adversary who is at war with God.

He uses the little horn to bring discipline and judgment, then destroys the little horn. The little horn is simply a tool in God's hands to bring about His purposes.

If what is written in Daniel 7 is "the activity of God" as you stated in Post 603, how do you square God working through "the four winds of the heaven" Daniel 7:2 ...

Daniel 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

With Daniel 7:25 ... where "God's tool" acted upon by God speaks "great words against the most High":

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The little horn is a tool in God's Hand which God uses to speak pompous words against Himself???

.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

reneweddaybyday said:

please explain how "knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death" equals "man continually" responding to God "ignorantly".​

Understanding from a natural perspective is to live in ignorance. If they understood from a spiritual perspective their responses would be different. They are ignorant of their true estate before God.

do not agree they are "ignorant of their true estate before God". Romans 1:32 makes it quite clear they know the "judgment of God" ... they know they are "worthy of death" and they continue to rebel against God and take pleasure in those who do the same things.

"Ignorance" on the part of those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness is not what is indicated in Romans 1.

Romans 1:18-19 indicates "that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it unto them").

The words "manifest (Greek = phaneros)" and "hath shewed (Greek = phaneroō)" in verse 19 reveal that those who actively suppress the truth in unrighteousness have been shown. The verses emphasizes "for God hath shewed it unto them".

Romans 1:32 indicates "who knowing the judgment of God" ... the word "knowing" is translated from the Greek word epiginōskō which is the complete opposite of "ignorance".

The prefix epi intensifies the verb ginōskō which means to know, to possess knowledge; epiginōskō signifies a deep, thorough, and precise recognition.

Those who reject do not act out of "ignorance" ... they know their actions result in death and separation from God, and they continue to remain unwilling to submit to what God has revealed to them ... and then further, they encourage others to join with them in their reprobate activities and partner with them in their rebellion.

You are free to continue to insist these folks "live in ignorance", but you would not be in alignment with what is clearly revealed in Scripture.

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[Cameron143]

reneweddaybyday said:

You've got God directing the "little horn" (Rome) to make war with the saints and the "little horn" prevailing against them.​

​

Then you've got the "Ancient of days" casting down (Daniel 7:9) and slaying (Daniel 7:11) the "little horn".​

​

You've got God warring with Himself.​

I do not believe God wars with Himself either.

I do believe God has an adversary who is at war with God.





If what is written in Daniel 7 is "the activity of God" as you stated in Post 603, how do you square God working through "the four winds of the heaven" Daniel 7:2 ...

Daniel 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

With Daniel 7:25 ... where "God's tool" acted upon by God speaks "great words against the most High":

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The little horn is a tool in God's Hand which God uses to speak pompous words against Himself???

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Yes. God demonstrates His power and even those who oppose Him end up praising Him. Another example is Nebuchadnezzar. Read Daniel 4. See how highly He regards God once God has directed His life.

We are more than conquerors in Christ. That's an odd phrase...more than conquerors. Why not just conquerors? Because God allows adversity into our lives so that He can overcome them on our behalf by using what the enemy was using to destroy us to give us victory. We have to go no further than, you guessed it, the book of Daniel. The 3 Hebrew children were in quite the predicament. But God used that situation to improve their standing. Same with Daniel. Same with you and me.

God allows evil people to exercise power so He might show Himself strong on our behalf.