looking for help reconciling the Sabbath with common observation?
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You could just type what you are trying to say rather than trying to lead people to what some religious organization is trying to lead people to believe
The paragraph you provided states:
"Then, when the Ten Commandments were given, the 4th commandment does not say 'create a new Sabbath.' It says: 'REMEMBER the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.' — Exodus 20:8 To remember something means it was already established and known...The commandment connects directly back to creation"
This paragraph argues that the word "remember" in Exodus 20:8 proves the Sabbath was already known to Israel because it connects back to creation. However, looking strictly at the biblical text, this reasoning overlooks how the Sabbath was actually introduced and established earlier in the book of Exodus.
Here is a scriptural analysis of how the Sabbath was established prior to Exodus 20.
1. The Sabbath Was First Revealed in Exodus 16
The word "Sabbath" (Shabbat) never appears in the book of Genesis. The actual historical and practical establishment of the Sabbath for the people of Israel occurs in Exodus 16 during the giving of the manna, weeks before they reach Mount Sinai.
- The Announcement: "This is what the Lord has commanded: 'Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord.'" — Exodus 16:23
- The Command to Rest: "Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any." — Exodus 16:26
- The Explicit Establishment: "Bear in mind that the Lord has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days." — Exodus 16:29
2. Why the Paragraph's Logic is Incorrect
The paragraph claims that "remember" in Exodus 20:8 must point all the way back to Genesis because the Sabbath was "already established and known."
While it was indeed "already established and known," it was known because God had just instituted it in Exodus 16, not because the Israelites had been keeping it since creation.
- The Context of "Remember": When God says "Remember the Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8, He is commanding them to keep the specific covenant law He had introduced to them weeks earlier in the wilderness of Sin (Exodus 16).
- The Connection to Creation: While Exodus 20:11 does ground the pattern of the Sabbath in God's rest during creation week ("For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth..."), the text of Genesis 2–3 never commands humanity to keep it, nor does it use the word "Sabbath."
Summary
The paragraph is incorrect because it implies the Israelites "remembered" the Sabbath from a primeval tradition dating back to creation. Scripture shows that Exodus 16 is where the Sabbath was officially established and revealed to Israel. By the time they reached Exodus 20, they were told to "remember" the law they had just recently been given. (AI)
You had your bottom slapped by AI.
Anyone who makes theological claims based on the scripture must be able to run it through AI.
If you can do that then what you believe the scripture states is bona-fide, the Biblical text supports your interpretation.
Reading the scripture as a text is the first step and you read every letter in the given context properly.
Everyone that I have observed with a contrary reading of the text fails in understanding the PLAIN reading, of the text.
Acts 15 is dealing with the false idea that Gentile Christians need to follow the law of Moses.
That is why the question about physical circumcision generated so much fierce debate.
Acts 15: 1
Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom
of Moses, you cannot be saved."
Is Acts 15 merely discussing the physical circumcision?
Acts 15:5
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct
them to keep the Law of Moses.”
Now we have the subject of the debate at Antioch and the subject the apostles addressed.
First circumcision then obedience to the law of Moses and that is the subject of the debate in Jerusalem.
If you attempt to follow Exodus 20 then you are under the whole law because Exodus 24 specifies the covenant.
Exodus 24:3-4
Then Moses came and recounted to the people all the words of the LORD and all the ordinances; and all the people
answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the LORD has spoken we will do!” Moses wrote down all the words
of the LORD.
Exodus 24:7-8
Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the LORD has
spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, “Behold
the blood of the covenant, which the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
The book of the covenant is the whole law of Moses that's what Moses wrote.
Yes and if the sabbath was required for new testament believers they would have gotten those instructions from the Lord through the Holy Spirit at that time.
But the Lord did not instruct Christians to do the sabbath. Those teaching it's a requirement are adding to the Word of God something the Lord did not teach as being for Christians
And the new testament is the New Covenant which is the law of Christ with Jesus being our High Priest now
Moses is not our high priest and those trying to live under Moses are in error.
I believe that AI will be an instrumental tool in the end times and more than likely employed by the False Prophet.
Revelation 13:14-15
And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of
the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come
to life. And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak
and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
AI can speak.
Does that mean we cannot use AI everyday?
Of course not.
AI is the most powerful Biblical tool available in modern Christianity.
If you believe the ring leader, that is, the False Prophet is here now can you identify him for me?
Enjoy the deception then. You are being groomed!
Those who know the Lord being led by the Holy Spirit know better than you believing a foolish statement such as this.
The devil is here and is deceiving people big time through AI
When the false prophet and antichrist is revealed they are just mouth pieces of the devil
[SARCASM] Thank you for definitively proving me wrong with your ‘truth in scripture’ [/SARCASM]
The point is, it is a common tradition taught and not some random garbage from the internet. A tradition in itself is not right or wrong though it bears some validity as it is historical in nature. It is history that can be traced back to the time of the writing of Revelation. - true or not - this began in the first century.
Let’s look at a separate Christian tradition - Christmas. In the documentary ‘The Star of Bethlehem’, December 25 coincidently lands on the day the Magi brought gifts to Jesus. This is not biblical, but why would it be? The Magi were not Jews and straightway returned to their country. Is it possible Christmas was started by a separate nation? It is interesting to me, we know that Jesus was not born on December 25, though it is possible the Magi celebrated his birth for the first time on December 25.
In literature the way words are properly defined is by their common usage in their time. This is how dictionaries are written and updated. As new words or phrases are used in writing, they are defined by the context they are used throughout all the common writings and as commonly understood at that particular in time.
The phrase ‘The Lords day’ was never previously used in scripture. You can make similar suppositions of what this means in scripture but it is definitely not clear. However, the phrase ‘The Lords day’, as a truth of history, was used in first century, and understood to mean Sunday, the day Jesus rose from the grave. It is not a ‘Biblical Truth’ although it is ‘Historically Accurate’.
I am not saying this is definitively what John meant, that cannot be known. More likely than not, he was using first century language when he wrote Revelation, in the first century.
The False Prophet is the guy that will have you executed if you do not worship the image of the beast.
AI is just a machine just like a computer but way more advanced.
You can use your computer linked to the internet and post on CF.
Is a computer the devil's workshop?
is the internet the devil's workshop?
Your confusing a machine (artificial intelligence) itself with how the False Prophet will make the image speak.
The argument sounds strong only if we accept the false idea that a command is valid only when the New Testament says, in the exact words, “Christians must rest on Saturday or they will go to hell.” Scripture does not establish God’s commandments that way. Jesus never said the Sabbath was cancelled, never changed it to Sunday, and never taught that His followers could ignore one of the Ten Commandments.
Here is the evidence. Jesus Himself kept the Sabbath and His custom was to go into the synagogue on that day:
Notice the wording: “as his custom was.” Jesus did not treat the Sabbath as something that had become meaningless. He taught on the Sabbath, healed on the Sabbath, and corrected the wrong way people were keeping it. He never said, “The Sabbath is cancelled.”
In fact, Jesus said something very important about God's commandments:
And since you asked for a whole chapter, read what Jesus says in the entire chapter. He does not give His disciples permission to throw away God's commandments. He actually makes the standard deeper.
This is Jesus speaking. He specifically warns about breaking commandments, and He even connects disobedience with judgment and hell. So the question is not whether Jesus used the exact sentence, “If you do not rest Saturday you will go to hell.” He did not use those exact words. The question is whether Jesus ever cancelled the fourth commandment or changed the seventh day to another day. There is no such statement.
The New Testament actually gives us a remarkable example after Jesus had died. His followers still observed the Sabbath:
There is no statement that they were now supposed to rest on Sunday.
And Jesus said:
Notice He did not say, “The Sabbath was made for the Jews.” He said “for man.”
Then we see the same pattern in Acts. The Sabbath continues to appear throughout the New Testament:
And after Gentiles heard the message, they specifically asked to hear more the next Sabbath:
Almost the whole city gathered on the next Sabbath, including Gentiles. If the apostles had been teaching that Christians no longer needed the Sabbath, this would have been the perfect opportunity to say so. They did not.
We also read:
And:
And:
So the claim that Sabbath observance simply disappears from the New Testament is False!
And then we reach the final book of the Bible. Revelation describes God's people this way:
That is the description given to God's faithful people at the end of the age: they keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Now, I agree with one part of your question: there is no New Testament verse that says in those exact words, “Anyone who does not rest on Saturday will go to hell.” But that argument proves nothing. Jesus also never said, word for word, “If you murder, you will go to hell because you broke the sixth commandment.” Instead, He taught the principle, warned about judgment, and upheld God's commandments.
The burden of proof is actually on the person claiming that the fourth commandment was cancelled. Where did Jesus say, “The fourth commandment is abolished”? Where did He say, “The seventh day has been changed to the first day”? Where did the apostles say, “From now on, Sunday replaces the Sabbath”? There is no such passage.
What we actually find is Jesus keeping the Sabbath, Jesus teaching about the Sabbath, Jesus calling Himself Lord of the Sabbath, His disciples resting according to the commandment after His death, the Sabbath continuing throughout Acts, Gentiles hearing God's word on the Sabbath, and Revelation describing God's faithful people as those who keep God's commandments.
So no, I do not need to produce a verse saying, “Saturday or hell,” because that is not how Scripture argues. Show me the verse where Jesus cancelled the fourth commandment or changed God's seventh-day Sabbath to Sunday. Until that verse is produced, the claim that the commandment was abolished is an assumption, not something Jesus taught.
what does this have to do with the sabbath? a word in common but that is it
Actually Heb 4:11 is an actual command for God's people to keep the 7th day sabbath. Even stating if you do not you are in danger of falling into unbelief. No matter how anyone wants to look at Heb 4:1-11 you cannot take verses 4 and 10 out of the context. The "rest" it speaks of here can be non other than the 7th day sabbath of the 4th commandment.
So, what happens to unbelievers?
BTW There are over 80 different weekly (Saturday) sabbaths kept by the early Christians (Jews and Gentiles alike) in the book of Acts alone.....
Jesus also didn’t teach them to stop circumcision or eating unclean foods either. Perhaps because Jesus didn’t teach any gentiles that we know of.
Also you continue to cite Jesus saying ‘my commandments’ and conveniently change it to ‘the commandments’. The disciples were sent out preaching the gospel, not the law…
You’re treating “as His custom was” as if it proves perpetual Sabbath obligation, but it only proves Jesus lived as a faithful Jew under the Mosaic covenant He came to fulfill, not extend; He kept the Sabbath for the same reason He kept circumcision, Passover, temple attendance, and every other Mosaic requirement — because He was born “under the law” (Gal 4:4) to obey it perfectly on Israel’s behalf. His Sabbath activity is never presented as Christian norm but as Messianic authority: He heals on it, redefines its purpose, declares Himself Lord of the Sabbath, and repeatedly clashes with Pharisaic interpretations, showing He is not modeling ongoing Sabbath observance but asserting dominion over it. And the argument “He never said, ‘The Sabbath is cancelled’” ignores the actual NT pattern: the Sabbath is listed among the shadows fulfilled in Christ (Col 2:16–17), the covenant that contains it is declared obsolete (Heb 8:13), and the apostles never impose Sabbath‑keeping on Gentile believers. Jesus kept the Sabbath because He was finishing the old covenant, not because He was establishing a new one.
I believe you have been given enough biblical evidence of the validity of sabbath observance in the NT.
You have ignored them all or tried to redefine meanings of texts to match your own denominational teachings.
You have the ability to make your own informed choices on the matter.
This becomes a matter between you and your God.
No one can make such a choice for you
Thats not an argument; it’s a dismissal that avoids the actual texts.
What a coincidence !
Fortuneatly, NT converts are given the gift of the Holy Ghost to help them stay true to God.
OT men has no such helper.
I do know.
Only those who do not fear God continue to disobey Him.
Stay true to God, and you will find out your time was well spent.