You really believe that the 10 commandments are not the Law? Do you really believe that there is no new covenant for believers? If the 10 commandments are the covenant, why do we need the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?
looking for help reconciling the Sabbath with common observation?
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The biblical warning against calling believers “lawless” or “anarchists” does not depend on whether the speaker is “for God.”
It depends on whether the target is a brother.
Scripture’s prohibition is anchored in the identity of the one being slandered, not the spiritual temperature of the one doing the slandering.
The moment you direct hostile, contemptuous labels at a fellow believer, the NT says you’ve crossed into sin — because you’re attacking someone Christ purchased with His blood.
you like to cause trouble by misquoting scripture and turning it against someone like you did here.
Did i ever say to follow the law of Moses? NO just the Ten commandments that GOD declared to be The Covenant. You know this because I have told you about 20 times already quoting the verese that proves it.
I am turning you off, I have no tome for this, I have waiting time with someone who rejects scripture.
The law reveals the moral standard. It does not save us or empower us.
Jesus saves us
The gift from Jesus empowers us.
Why was the sermon on the Mount given by Jesus? Why are the Psalms given? Why was the Bible inspired by God?
The bible would not be needed if the Spirit teaches us all truth.
The truth is found all throughout the word. And also in the Law.
People often confuse the Spirit with feelings and emotions..
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Which spirit is leading people to murder? They can claim God was leading them, so it was okay. But I can read the moral law and know which spirit is leading.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
No one is claiming that the law can save us or stop us from sinning.
But it reveals what sin is.
And the law states that the sabbath is to be remembered and kept Holy.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
From Acts 15 v 20 plus 28 Abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements
When Jesus said... Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
He was saying the law was not destroyed or changed. This says that the sabbath was not destroyed or changed.
When talking with the rich young ruler.
Jesus said... Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus said to keep the commandments.
And those commandments include the Sabbath or the 4th commandment.
Jesus also said Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
the sabbath was made for man...
if it was made for us when was it ever not for us to kept?
Jesus wasn’t telling you that Christians must keep the Sinai Sabbath;
He was telling you that He came to fulfill the Law, not preserve it unchanged, and the proof is that the New Testament repeatedly says parts of the Mosaic system have passed because their purpose has been completed.
Hebrews says the covenant is “obsolete,”
Colossians says the Sabbath is a “shadow,”
Acts 15 never imposes it on Gentiles, and Paul warns not to let anyone judge you over Sabbath days;
When Jesus told the rich young ruler to “keep the commandments,” He was exposing the man’s pride, not giving the Church a post‑Pentecost rulebook, and when He said “the Sabbath was made for man,” He was correcting Pharisees who weaponized it, not commanding Christians to keep the Sinai sign forever;
The Sabbath was the sign of the Mosaic covenant (Ex 31:13–17), and when the covenant changed, its sign changed.
Now the marker of God’s people is the Spirit, not the seventh day, so the question “when was it ever not for us to keep?” is answered by the apostles themselves: when Christ fulfilled the Law and brought His people under a new covenant where the shadows give way to the substance.
Jesus is my rest too.
Jesus is my Sabbath rest.
But that does not remove the sabbath rest.
Jesus is the light of the world. John 8:12.
This does not mean literal light is not needed. Or the literal light disappears.
Actually there is no need to examine the time line because we have a topical directive that addresses the believers role with the sabbath.
Col 2: 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival,a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
This sentiment is repeated in greater detail in
Romans 14:
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
The shadows did give way to the substance. At the cross in the middle of the 70th week.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The problem is you are making the seventh day Sabbath a shadow law when it was made before sin. It was given to mankind before sin. The sabbath was made for man at creation.
The other sabbaths associated with the shadow laws were given after sin entered by Moses.
The mistake in your reasoning is treating “made before sin” as proof that the seventh‑day Sabbath is not a shadow, but Scripture never defines shadows by timing — it defines them by function, and Colossians 2:16–17 explicitly places the Sabbath in the category of “shadows” whose substance is Christ.
When the covenant changed it means history changed? That God did NOT make the world in 6 days and rest on the 7th?
This is the ONLY way you can prove to me that God's people should not keep the 7th day sabbath of the 4th commandment.
Show me anywhere from Genesis to Revelation one verse (half a verse? couple of words?) that God created our world in any amount of time other than those 1st 7 days.....
Nothing about the change of covenant means the creation week changed
God really did create in six days and rest on the seventh, and that historical fact stays exactly as scripture records it;
what did change is not creation, but covenant,
Because the seventh‑day sabbath was never given to humanity in Genesis,
Never commanded to Adam,
Never described as a weekly human practice,
And the first time the Sabbath is actually given to people is Exodus 16 and then formally in Exodus 31 as the sign of the Sinai covenant, which is why the apostles never impose it on Gentile believers;
The logic is is this,
Creation describes God’s rest,
Sinai commands Israel’s rest,
And the new covenant gives Christ’s rest (Heb 4),
So the question “show me where God created in any other amount of time” is a category mistake —
Creation week is history,
Sabbath command is covenant, and covenant signs change when covenants change;
The NT explicitly says the Sinai covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13),
The priesthood has changed (Heb 7:12),
The law of commandments in ordinances has been set aside (Eph 2:15),
And Sabbaths are shadows whose substance is Christ (Col 2:16–17),
So affirming the literal six‑day creation does not require binding the Church to the Sinai sign — it only requires believing what Genesis actually says, and Genesis never says Adam kept a Sabbath or that the seventh day was commanded for all humanity.
There are at least 2 laws in the old testament.
The problem that many have is that they put them all together....
Keep the law or commandments.
Mat 19:17 .....but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Don't make them void.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
But in other places we are told the law is nailed to the cross. Or has ended.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
There are different laws and you need to understand the difference before you through them all out.
Sabbath days (plural) were different to the Sabbath day.
Days vs day.
The sabbaths that were introduced at Sinai through Moses were nailed to the cross. but THE SABBATH introduced at creation has not changed.
Sabbatarian theology is the system — mostly found in Seventh‑day Adventism and groups influenced by it — that argues God has two different kinds of “law” in Scripture:
(1) a creation‑based, eternal moral law, whose centerpiece is the seventh‑day Sabbath, and
(2) a temporary Mosaic ceremonial law, which includes the “Sabbath days” (plural) of feast cycles, festivals, and annual observances.
In this system, the weekly Sabbath is treated as timeless, universal, and binding on all Christians, while the ceremonial Sabbaths given at Sinai are treated as shadows that ended at the cross.
The problem is that this framework is not how Scripture itself categorizes Sabbaths; the OT uses “Sabbath” and “Sabbaths” interchangeably for the weekly day, and the NT’s abolition texts (Col 2:16–17; Eph 2:15) use the standard Jewish triad — annual feasts, monthly new moons, and weekly Sabbaths — meaning the weekly day is included among the shadows fulfilled in Christ.
Sabbatarian theology is therefore a theological system built to preserve Saturday, not an exegetical reading of the biblical categories.