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I am at least practical enough to not be a jerk to Karlon. I have no qualms being a jerk when it is warranted - mostly when the target is himself being a jerk - but I wouldn't be a jerk to Karlon.

Kinda odd seeing you being one. Seems a bit out of character for you.

Oh so you never thought of yourself of being a jerk from time to time bro? lol
It's okay, maybe ironically through this communication style i might be able to understand Karlon better than you.
I believe in Miracles. :)
 
Oh so you never thought of yourself of being a jerk from time to time bro? lol
It's okay, maybe ironically through this communication style i might be able to understand Karlon better than you.
I believe in Miracles. :)
Huh?

I JUST SAID I can be a jerk when the situation seems to need one.

I'm more accustomed to me being a jerk than I am to you being a jerk. That's another reason you being a jerk to Karlon seems out of character. Gives me kind of a "hey what'd he ever do to you?!" feeling.
 
Huh?

I JUST SAID I can be a jerk when the situation seems to need one.

I'm more accustomed to me being a jerk than I am to you being a jerk. That's another reason you being a jerk to Karlon seems out of character. Gives me kind of a "hey what'd he ever do to you?!" feeling.
Well, i mean are you following the convo or not?
You wanna sit down for a minute? Want me to grab you a coffee or a cold drink or something?
 
Well okay, i like when people are direct because almost everyone in the Mediterranean culture is direct but it seems that you are not as direct as you seem to portray yourself.
So come back when you have time and we can have another direct swing at this topic with some coffee and appetizers if you want and let's see if you're able to reason.
you really have an innate ability & desire to read into someone's character as if you are the boss. you are propping yourself as the leader in this talk. as you said before, we are on different sides of the earth & culture is vastly different.
 
you really have an innate ability & desire to read into someone's character as if you are the boss. you are propping yourself as the leader in this talk. as you said before, we are on different sides of the earth & culture is vastly different.
Isn't this something that you do with a lot of your comments and topics here?
I mean, you quoted me right? So now we're here.
This is why i don't quote you since i've been here but today you quoted me about your 'boss level understanding' of the technicalities of God's creation.
So if you'd like to talk more about this, i'm here.
 
Isn't this something that you do with a lot of your comments and topics here?
I mean, you quoted me right? So now we're here.
This is why i don't quote you since i've been here but today you quoted me about your 'boss level understanding' of the technicalities of God's creation.
So if you'd like to talk more about this, i'm here.
a placid joyful talk lets have, nothing contentious. let's forget any tension & move on. go ahead, pick a subject.
 
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Isn't this something that you do with a lot of your comments and topics here?
I mean, you quoted me right? So now we're here.
This is why i don't quote you since i've been here but today you quoted me about your 'boss level understanding' of the technicalities of God's creation.
So if you'd like to talk more about this, i'm here.
no, i don't prop myself that way but someone may think so.
 
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a placid joyful talk lets have, nothing contentious. let's forget any tension & move on. go ahead, pick a subject.
Well the guy from Australia who opened this topic ( he's a lot of fun by the way with his comments too ) was trying to say that God created the Universe in 6 exact days. And he was defending this view by saying that scientists have slowed down light, which is legit.
And by taking this position he's saying that the universe is not as old as they say. Currently the agreement is around 14 billion years old.

So my response to him was basically that he's jumping from one extreme to another. While i have NO DOUBT that God created the Universe, i don't pretend to speak with authority about HOW this happened. This is a mystery, which is why i liked NightTwister's comment about this subject.

So if you say '6 exact days' you're opening yourself to many logical problems based on what we see, measure and reason. Because it may be true that the Universe itself may be younger, but the things we measure here on Earth are very very old. Millions of years old at least. Which don't exactly match with 6 exact days.

So, what do you think about all this?
 
Well the guy from Australia who opened this topic ( he's a lot of fun by the way with his comments too ) was trying to say that God created the Universe in 6 exact days. And he was defending this view by saying that scientists have slowed down light, which is legit.
And by taking this position he's saying that the universe is not as old as they say. Currently the agreement is around 14 billion years old.

So my response to him was basically that he's jumping from one extreme to another. While i have NO DOUBT that God created the Universe, i don't pretend to speak with authority about HOW this happened. This is a mystery, which is why i liked NightTwister's comment about this subject.

So if you say '6 exact days' you're opening yourself to many logical problems based on what we see, measure and reason. Because it may be true that the Universe itself may be younger, but the things we measure here on Earth are very very old. Millions of years old at least. Which don't exactly match with 6 exact days.

So, what do you think about all this?
kent hovind is the modern pro at this subject. he explains it well, real well. 14 billion years old? wow, who says that? it's about 6 to 7,000 years old according to God. i'd like to hear an explanation why someone would think that there are many logical problems based on what we see. especially a Christian. God can make anything seem any age. if He put stars that are seemingly 30,000,000,000 light years away then that's how man perceives it with his limited knowledge. i strongly urge everyone to liste to kent hovind on this.
 
kent hovind is the modern pro at this subject. he explains it well, real well. 14 billion years old? wow, who says that? it's about 6 to 7,000 years old according to God. i'd like to hear an explanation why someone would think that there are many logical problems based on what we see. especially a Christian.

No idea who Kent Hovinid is or why you call him a "pro" but the facts on this matter are that rocks are measured via scientific methods which reveal very old dates. I mean you can run a google search about this yourself but here's a link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geochronology

What's your response to this?
 
No idea who Kent Hovinid is or why you call him a "pro" but the facts on this matter are that rocks are measured via scientific methods which reveal very old dates. I mean you can run a google search about this yourself but here's a link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geochronology

What's your response to this?
i'm not going to run a google search on that. it may be interesting but i know the earth is 6 or 7,000 years old. the evidence is clear. carbon dating is quite inaccurate & ken explains that too. all i know is that organic material & sample contamination can influence wrong results.
 
i'm not going to run a google search on that. it may be interesting but i know the earth is 6 or 7,000 years old. the evidence is clear. carbon dating is quite inaccurate & ken explains that too. all i know is that organic material & sample contamination can influence wrong results.
Okay so at this point Karlon it's like Apples talking to Oranges. We don't have much else to discuss on this topic because you're hard lining on one side without even considering anything else.
So we can leave it at 'agree to disagree' and we will enjoy another cup of coffee for the day.

If you have anything else you'd like to discuss with me, i will answer your questions as best as i can.
Cheers.
 
Okay so at this point Karlon it's like Apples talking to Oranges. We don't have much else to discuss on this topic because you're hard lining on one side without even considering anything else.
So we can leave it at 'agree to disagree' and we will enjoy another cup of coffee for the day.

If you have anything else you'd like to discuss with me, i will answer your questions as best as i can.
Cheers.
are you a born again Christian? if so, it's odd that you don't believe the earth is 6 or 7,000 years old. when i fully retire, i may read that info. what God says about anything is tops & true! what do you know about drumming, silver coins, antiques or gourmet dining?
 
the earth is 6 or 7,000 years old.

Yes from the time the Lord re-created the earth after Genesis 1:2 forward. God did not create the earth without form, and void. That would have been Him failing and creating something that was in confusion and chaos.

No, when the devil was cast out of Heaven (Luke 10:18) is when the earth became without form, and void and was in confusion and chaos.

God is all power and perfect. He's never done anything without perfection and since He said He is not the author of confusion and chaos (1 Corinthians 14:33), we know God is not the One that caused the earth to be without form, and void and was in confusion and chaos.

The Lord has not given man any knowledge concerning what all went on before Genesis 1:2 as this is irrelevant for the time we live in now when we should be seeking Him unto salvation instead of worrying about the past so much.
 
are you a born again Christian? if so, it's odd that you don't believe the earth is 6 or 7,000 years old. when i fully retire, i may read that info. what God says about anything is tops & true! what do you know about drumming, silver coins, antiques or gourmet dining?
So Karlon, i'm going to leave your first questions alone due to those cultural and denominational differences we talked about and since it's very hard for us to find common ground, but i'll answer your other questions though.
I don't know anything about drumming, silver coins or antiques but i do know quite a bit about fine-dining though.
 
Yes from the time the Lord re-created the earth after Genesis 1:2 forward. God did not create the earth without form, and void. That would have been Him failing and creating something that was in confusion and chaos.

No, when the devil was cast out of Heaven (Luke 10:18) is when the earth became without form, and void and was in confusion and chaos.

God is all power and perfect. He's never done anything without perfection and since He said He is not the author of confusion and chaos (1 Corinthians 14:33), we know God is not the One that caused the earth to be without form, and void and was in confusion and chaos.

The Lord has not given man any knowledge concerning what all went on before Genesis 1:2 as this is irrelevant for the time we live in now when we should be seeking Him unto salvation instead of worrying about the past so much.
well said & quite noteworthy
 
So Karlon, i'm going to leave your first questions alone due to those cultural and denominational differences we talked about and since it's very hard for us to find common ground, but i'll answer your other questions though.
I don't know anything about drumming, silver coins or antiques but i do know quite a bit about fine-dining though.
here in the immediate area, we are loaded with gourmet restaurants. some of my favorite restaurants to dine were SZiro's in Saratoga, gallagher's & benjamin's steakhouses in manhattan as well as nobu down near franklin & hudson. my mistake, nobu is near fulton & day, in the financial district. Siro's, not ZSiro's. big hands & fingers, what an issue!
 
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here in the immediate area, we are loaded with gourmet restaurants. some of my favorite restaurants to dine were SZiro's in Saratoga, gallagher's & benjamin's steakhouses in manhattan as well as nobu down near franklin & hudson. my mistake, nobu is near fulton & day, in the financial district. Siro's, not ZSiro's. big hands & fingers, what an issue!
Well if you want to swing by the food section of this forum, i'll follow you there and send me some menus from these restaurants so i can give you a review :) and you can review my restaurants too and maybe we can see how we do in that section.
 
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when i sell a plot of land i inherited lately, i'm going to treat my wife & i to hackleback caviar. that comes from the mississippi.