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kv100 said:
The claim that the Sabbath was only an Old Covenant institution fails when Scripture's timeline is examined. The Sabbath was not introduced at Sinai. It appears before Israel existed as a nation...Genesis 2:2–3 states: "God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all the work of creating that He had done." The Sabbath is rooted in creation itself, not merely the Mosaic covenant...Then, when the Ten Commandments were given, the 4th commandment does not say "create a new Sabbath." It says: "REMEMBER the Sabbath day by keeping it holy." — Exodus 20:8 To remember something means it was already established and known...The commandment connects directly back to creation: "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth... but He rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." — Exodus 20:11...So the biblical sequence is: Creation → Sabbath established → Israel commanded to remember → Sabbath observed. The question is not whether the Sabbath existed under the Old Covenant. It clearly did...The question is whether something established by God at creation and included in the moral law is abolished simply because the Old Covenant reached fulfillment. To also note that marriage as well was also included in the mosaic laws and establish in the days of creation but yet we do not say that marriage is fullfilled. We cant be isolating the Sabbath alone. Jesus said: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." — Mark 2:27...Notice He did not say the Sabbath was made only for Israel. The foundation of the Sabbath is creation, the command is remembrance, and its purpose predates Sinai. In the book of Revelations 1:10 “I was in the spirit in the Lord’s day” Jesus said he is Lord over the sabbath day and John is busy addressing Jesus himself when he is talking about his experience on the Lord’s day, the Lord’s day is the day Jesus is Lord over which as he said is the sabbath day thus the Lord’s day is Sabbath.
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Are you asking a question or answering a question that wasn't asked?
 
TMS said:
Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


Jesus, our perfect example, consistently observed the seventh-day Sabbath. He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, asserting that not even the smallest mark would pass from the law while heaven and earth remain.

it was His Custom: It was His regular practice to worship on the Sabbath day Luke 4:16.
He clarified that the Sabbath was made for the benefit of all humanity, not just one nation Mark 2:27.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
When speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem (which occurred decades after His resurrection), He instructed His followers to pray that their flight would not be on the Sabbath day, showing His expectation of its continued sacredness

Following the resurrection, the apostles continued to recognize and observe the seventh-day Sabbath as the day for worship and preaching the Word of God.

Acts 17:2, Acts 14:42-44. Acts 18:4,11.

There is heaps of verses that show that the sabbath remains.
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Not for Gentile believers. There is a case for Jewish believers to observe the Sabbath, but I do not agree with it. There is no case whatsoever for Gentile believers to obey the Sabbath law.

"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12

Acts 15:10 & 11
Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Galatians 3: 23-25
"Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.…"

You are still being led around by the guardian of the law. Either you are born again and so immature that you do not realise that you don't need a guardian or you have yet to come to Christ. If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest of people.
 
ScooterJackson said:
Which does not say Saturday is the only day Christians can have rest
You are reading in to scripture something it does not say due to preconceived ideas you got from others.

Counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15

The Saturday peoples can never overcome the Counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15 where the Lord did NOT lead them to include observing Saturday sabbath... unless the Saturday peoples want to claim the Apostles were being led by devils in the Book of Acts and not being led by the Lord.

If they say the Apostles were being led by the Lord at the the Counsel of Jerusalem, then they must accept the Apostles teachings as being from the Lord.... and accept observing Saturday sabbath is not applicable under the New Covenant.

But, if they don't accept the Apostles teachings as being from the Lord at the Counsel of Jerusalem then the Saturday peoples must concede that they believe the Apostles were listening to devils which is why they did not teach the people about observing Saturday sabbath.

Acts 15:28,29
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The Saturday peoples apparently do believe the Apostles in the Book of Acts were being led by devils.
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You obviously did not read Heb 4:1-11. And Act 15 says nothing about the 7th day sabbath.
 
ScooterJackson said:
So tell every one plainly, do you believe those who do not have church on Saturday will go to hell?
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Just as much if one perpetually breaks the 6th commandment or the 8th or the 1st, 2nd, etc.

I'm guessing you never read the 4th commandment either. It says nothing about going to church does it?
 
Gideon300 said:
Sure, keep ignoring the rest of the New Testament. It was written to counteract your false doctrines. Lord Jesus was a Jew, in Israel and lived as a Jew. The law was given to Israel.

Acts 15:10 & 11
"Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

If you are telling me that you obey the law perfectly then I say that you are a liar. And if you are not obeying the law perfectly then you are lost.

"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12
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All 10 of the 10 commandments are endorsed in the NT.

I posted them above.

Your rejection of what scripture says (AND redefinition of other texts to match your indoctrinate beliefs) are clearly seen here.
 
Gideon300 said:
Their point is to demonstrate their religious superiority compared to mere believers who cling to Christ alone.
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Sorry, You don't cling to Christ. He created this world in 6 days and rested on the 7th.

He gave the 10 commandment law from the top of Mt. Sinai.

You want to get rid of the 4th commandment which is the only one of the 10 that actually tells us which God gave this law (Ex0 20:11 our Creator).
Take the Creator out of His own law and you have no way of knowing WHICH god you worship.
One thing is for sure, he is not the Creator.
 
Davidstarr said:
Sorry, You don't cling to Christ. He created this world in 6 days and rested on the 7th.

He gave the 10 commandment law from the top of Mt. Sinai.

You want to get rid of the 4th commandment which is the only one of the 10 that actually tells us which God gave this law (Ex0 20:11 our Creator).
Take the Creator out of His own law and you have no way of knowing WHICH god you worship.
One thing is for sure, he is not the Creator.
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Do you go to a holy convocation on your sabbath day? Rest in the Lord?
 
Gideon300 said:
So Christians should follow God's example, right? Get born again and do nothing for the rest of their lives.
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Do your work 6 days (Sunday through Friday), rest on the 7th day sabbath.

I never said do nothing for the rest of our lives.

Are you now going to bear false witness against me?

I'm not surprised. If you break one of the 10 commandments you might as well break them all.
 
Gideon300 said:
Not for Gentile believers. There is a case for Jewish believers to observe the Sabbath, but I do not agree with it. There is no case whatsoever for Gentile believers to obey the Sabbath law.

"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12

Acts 15:10 & 11
Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Galatians 3: 23-25
"Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.…"

You are still being led around by the guardian of the law. Either you are born again and so immature that you do not realise that you don't need a guardian or you have yet to come to Christ. If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest of people.
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God is not a respecter of persons. There is no difference between Jew and Greek if you belong to Christ.

In fact, we have been grafted on. We are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. Even if we not of his physical bloodline.
 
Davidstarr said:
God is not a respecter of persons. There is no difference between Jew and Greek if you belong to Christ.

In fact, we have been grafted on. We are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. Even if we not of his physical bloodline.
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This I agree 👍 💯
Abraham s blood never save anyone, not even in ot.
Only Jesus blood saves people, from ot to nt.
 
Churchgoer said:
This I agree 👍 💯
Abraham s blood never save anyone, not even in ot.
Only Jesus blood saves people, from ot to nt.
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Of course. There is nothing we can DO to earn salvation. It a free gift from God.

But there are certainly many things we can do to make sure we are not saved....
 
Toddini said:
The OT along with other ancient writings build the foundation and structure and the NT is the shinny floors and wall paint. Without the foundation and structure, the floor and paint don't exist.
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I agree, and much of th OT's foundation and structure are presages of their own replacement.
 
Churchgoer said:
Do you go to a holy convocation on your sabbath day? Rest in the Lord?
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When I can I do.

Right now both our vehicles are in the shop. We are stranded way out in the woods until at least one of them gets fixed.

But yes. Living on a farm I work 6 days. A 7th day sabbath of rest is the ONLY day of the week where it is possible to assemble with like-minded believers in communal worship.

That does not mean I don't worship God everyday. It's an individual relationship with Jesus.

But worshiping in a communal service on the sabbath keeps in mind that God is the Creator of all things.
Without that evidence in scripture of a 7th day of rest how could we possibly know which god we worship?
 
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Freed18 said:
I agree, and much of th OT's foundation and structure are presages of their own replacement.
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Do you think the 10 commandment law has been replaced?
Where does the NT say we don't have to keep the law that says "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not commit adultery"?
Which law has replaced them?
 
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