So wrong, very very wrong.
Jesus only tell us follow Him.
Man came up with all these twists..... talking about rebellious man....
Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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Jesus only tell us follow Him.
Man came up with all these twists..... talking about rebellious man....
No one stated otherwise, but unfortunately you are in the wrong time period.
Yes, so are Mary, mark, John, Peter, Paul..... praise to God.
We are all saved through Jesus. No other way. Get saved today!!!!
Exactly .
That iscwhyvthey spiritualize the ethnic jewish 144 just.
It is appalling that the RT. Are ignorant that the 144,000 are FIRSTFRUITS.
FIRSTFRUITS declaration destroys their entire deal.
One word.
One dynamic from heaven,cooks their entire deal.
Jesus is the FIRSTFRUITS OF TGE CHURCH.
So who is gathered in Rev 14:14?
What group would have Jews as firstfruits.?
Only one answer.
And since Rev 14:14 can not possibly be the Church GATHERED MID 7YR TRIBULATION, what group is gathered in Rev 14;14?
I wasnt doing anything good with it anyway lol
Yeah, and I hear the weather is niceYeah, exactly
Might as wellreceive the eternal one !!!!
That is obvious.
We all know that
That is not the debate at all.
Their are millions of Messianic born again Jews.
We all know that.
We all know they came to faith through Jesus.
The covenant Jews gathered during the trib...WHAT DOES IT SAY????
"....and they followed the Lamb wherever he goes"
NOBODY thinks the covenant Jews come into heaven any way , except through the blood of Jesus.
The Jews are waiting for MESSIAH.
They do not know it is Jesus.
They will WHEN HE APPEARS.
Yeah and the Lord has ways of dealing with people such as yourself who seek to lead others in to false doctrine.
Those following the ways of the Nicolaitans are not accepted by the Lord so FYI on that in all your efforts to deceive others in to bowing down to follow you rather than following the Lord Jesus
I'm happy to not be one that rejects the whole counsel of the Lord such as yourself.
Your reprobate ways are going to kill you, so you should repent quick!
"The Jews are waiting for MESSIAH."
But Jesus already come. Some reject Jesus till today, till their last breath.
they know they have tomorrow?
Jesus say just worry for today.
Who appears to who in Rev 14:14?
Remember, the 144,000 ETHNIC JEWS are the firstfruits of the rev 14:14 gathering.
Offspring became a later way of translating "seed" to convey an intended meaning.
Here is the word usage as understood by people at the time of writing....
But Onan knew that the offspring would not belong to him, so whenever he would sleep
with his brother’s wife, he would spill his seed on the ground so that he would not produce
offspring for his brother. Genesis 38:9
So... Did Onan spill his offspring?
Hearing and then seeing is a theme in Revelation.
Before we get the first account of the 144,000, in the same book, John records this passage:
“Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?”
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it.
I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
While John is weeping, the elder says to him "See, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah..."
John hears "See, the Lion!" One would expect to turn and see some type of a lion.
But then John turns to look and he sees this:
"Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain..."
So he hears "Look a lion!" but John sees a lamb that looked like it had been slain.
Now, we know that the lion and the lamb refer to neither animal but to a specific person: Christ Jesus.
This pattern is also relevant to the passage in Revelation 7.
John hears the number of those who were sealed;
Revelation 7 "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel."
And then the number from each tribe is enumerated:
"From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad... etc."
Notice, this was to be a list from "all the tribes of Israel" yet , if that was expected it falls short of the record: Dan is missing and Mannasseh, one of Joseph's sons, is added.
So, just from the text (and excluding any religious gymnastics) we should know that this is NOT a list of the physical tribes of Israel.
This is something else.
But let's continue...
So John hears "144,000 from the tribes of Israel!" (a specific number and specific types of people) and then he looks and sees...
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb."
...he sees a great multitude no one could count.
I could write nearly a page for every sentence above but let me conclude this:
Revelation 7 requires wisdom to understand, like the rest of the book. This is not a count of 144,000 Jews. It is something else.
God had them selected by tribe into twelve distinct groups - 12,000 per tribe.
Yet? Jews who believe today during the Church age?
They no longer have a tribe.
For they are the "new man" (2 Corinthians 5:17) as the result of becoming a new creation in Christ!
So when God divides them up according to their tribe?
That means the Church age on earth had ended.
RAPTURE!
And, back to the age of the Jews during the Tribulation!
144,000!
........
No.
It is what it says.
If you need it changed then you need a new starting place.
God went the extra mile to list them as who they are and numbered them in more than one way.
But beyond that , he put up a guard rail against changing them into a made up doctrine enhancer.
They are FIRSTFRUITS of a group.
Jewish firstfruits.
Who is the firstfruits of the church.
Look it up.
The answer is Jesus.
That alone prevents men from muddying up the 144k.
They are who they are declared to be.
Mens doctrines get hammered.
Big time.