The covenant of Daniel 9 :27

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Laodicea

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There is no covenant made in Daniel 9:27 it says He confirms the covenant it does not say He makes a covenant. So what is the covenant?
Daniel 9:4
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Paul understood about the covenant
Galatians 3:16-17
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

So it is referring to the covenant made with Abraham
Genesis 12:1-3
(1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 17:8
(8) And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Abraham understood this to be the new earth
Hebrews 11:10
(10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

The covenant was made to the seed (Christ) and anyone who wants to inherit the new earth must belong to the seed
Galatians 3:16
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:29
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Did Christ say we need to belong to Him?
John 10:28
(28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

What did the apostles say?
Acts 4:10-12
(10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
(11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is much more about the covenant in the new testament but, it is about inheriting the new earth and we need to belong to Christ to inherit the new earth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The covenant is made by the "prince who is to come"

the "prince who is to come" will come out of the people who destroy jerusalem and the temple. Which happened in 70 AD

It is not a spiritual covenant. it is made by a ruler of the Earth. Jesus mentions him, when he states plainly when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel (who according to Daniel ends this ocvenant after 3 1/2 years) then let everyone run to the mountains. for then their will be tribulation such as has never been seen on earth.

This tribulation, or testing of the people, will end with the great battle of Armageddon, Where Christ returns to destroy the armies of the world. And all evil off the face of the earth.
 

gotime

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I wont go deep into the covenant here. although most do not realise that the covenant/promise. given to Abraham has never changed even to this day. rather the changes in the promise/covenant have been opened up more and more over time to eventually be understood through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for our sins.

That being said I would like to address this passage in Daniel 9:27.

Many have misunderstood this passage due to a lack of study on their own part to ascertain the true meaning.

SO with that said lets take a closer look at the passage and its context.

Notice first that the context is found in verse 24


Dan 9:24 Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

Interestingly enough This prophecy tells us that God has given his chosen people/Israel (Seventy sevens) or in other words 70*7 which =490. now this is interesting when you think about it. In this time Israel is told to finish transgression which means stop breaking the law. and put an end to sin.

so this is a time to seek God for forgiveness and obey him. Notice the words of Jesus when asked how many times we should forgive those who sin against us.


Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Notice that the time Jesus gives is also 70*7 which is 490 times. this is the same as the time that God gave Israel to put an end to sin and to atone for wickedness. (atone means to become one with God) see the atonement teachings in exodus and Leviticus.

so Israel has 490 what to atone?

Eze 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

Here we see that prophetically 1 day = 1 year so the time given here is 490 years to atone for wickedness and put away sin.

so when does this 490 years begin?

Answer: Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The Angel says that it starts at the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem thus we must find this time to know when it will start.

So when did this happen?

Answer: Ezr 7:11 Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel.
Ezr 7:12 Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time.
Ezr 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
Ezr 7:14 Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellors, to enquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand;
Ezr 7:15 And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,
Ezr 7:16 And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
Ezr 7:17 That thou mayest buy speedily with this money bullocks, rams, lambs, with their meat offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them upon the altar of the house of your God which is in Jerusalem.
Ezr 7:18 And whatsoever shall seem good to thee, and to thy brethren, to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, that do after the will of your God.
Ezr 7:19 The vessels also that are given thee for the service of the house of thy God, those deliver thou before the God of Jerusalem.
Ezr 7:20 And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.
Ezr 7:21 And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it be done speedily,
Ezr 7:22 Unto an hundred talents of silver, and to an hundred measures of wheat, and to an hundred baths of wine, and to an hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribing how much.
Ezr 7:23 Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons?
Ezr 7:24 Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.
Ezr 7:25 And thou, Ezra, after the wisdom of thy God, that is in thine hand, set magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not.
Ezr 7:26 And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.

It goes on so i suggest reading it in its entirety. but it is here that the full realisation of the prophecy of Daniel comes to be. in the year 457 b.c.

now some may ask how we know its this decree and not one of the other two given. the answer is simple. Artaxerxes decree was made up of the other two decrees before it and the added point of keeping the laws of God. so the decree was not fully realised until Artaxerxes made his decree.


Ezr 6:14 And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

the Prophecy of Daniel did not just say rebuild only but also to restore. it was only at he decree of Artaxerxes that this came to be by the hand of the Lord. Not only were they to rebuild but they were also to restore the laws and practises of the God of heaven.

now let us examine verse 25 again to see what else we can learn from it.


Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

notice that the prophecy stretches to the Messiah the prince. which shall be 7 weeks which would mean 7*7days = 49 years and three score and two weeks, now for those who do not no. a score is 20 thus three score is 3*20= 60 and two weeks means 62 weeks which is 62*7 =434 years

so from 457 b/c we know that the Messiah the prince shall be on the scene after 434years plus 49 years. this would be 483 years after 457 b/c when the decree was given.

this take us to the year 27 ad. what happened on the year 27 ad?

Answer: this is the year that Jesus was baptised by John and the anointed by the Holy Spirit. by the way Messiah means anointed one. How do we know this?

Answer: Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Note that Jesus was baptised here but we are told when earlier in the chapter at what time.


Luk 3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,

By history we can find the 15th year of Tiberius which is exactly 27 ad. wow can you see it. the time fits exactly as God predicted it would.

Jesus understood the Prophecy of Daniel and how it pointed to Him as the one who would be anointed to preach the gospel at that exact year. we will soon learn that it is this same prophecy that Jesus was able to know when it was his time to die for mankind. but listen to the words of Jesus.

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Notice Jesus was anointed to preach the gospel and to bring healing to mankind.

also take note of Jesus words after he was baptised and come out of the temptation in the wilderness he begins to preach and says.

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus understood that the prophecy in Daniel was fulfilled that spoke of the anointed one coming. not only that but the last week or 7 years of the prophecy had now begun.

let us take a look at verse 26

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

notice here that we are told that after the threescore and two weeks that the anointed one/Messiah will be cut off. but not for himself. The words to cut of here actually mean to be destroyed and even more specifically relate to covenant. So after this time the anointed one will confirm the covenant. now let me ask you, who is the better covenant?

Answer: Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Jesus is our covenant between God an man. Jesus is our anointed one. and the time prophecy states that after 27 ad which was when Jesus was baptised and began to preach in the power of the Holy Spirit. After this time He would establish the covenant and be cut of or die.

When exactly would this happen according to Daniel?

Answer:

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

here we are told that in the middle of the week (7 years) he would confirm this covenant with many. this would be 3 and a half years after 27 ad. this leads us to 31 ad when Jesus was crucified in history. again the prophecy is accurate before its time.

the passage goes on to clarify.

"and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease..."

so he would cause the sacrifices and the sin offerings to stop. How?

Answer:

Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Jesus came to be our sacrifice for sin. he came in a human body and died for our sins. thus there was no need after this time for the sacrifices and offerings in the sanctuary any more. because the better sacrifice had come. the new covenant was established by Jesus Christ.

but wait there is still 3 and a half years left for the 490 year prophecy. Now remember that this prophecy was given to Gods nation to put away sin. they were given 490 years to do so.

Now the Jewish nation had rejected the covenant when they rejected Jesus on the cross but at that time it was not too late. remember the words of Jesus after he rose.

Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Notice Jesus first sent them to the very people who rejected Him. His own nation. why because the time was not yet up they still had 3 and a half years to atone. (be one with God). but what happened at the end of the 3 and a half years?

Answer:

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Stephen was the first Christian Martyr in 34 ad exactly 3 and a half years after the death of Jesus on the cross. it was at this time that Saul was called by God and the gospel then went out to the gentiles.

The time of the Jewish nation being the chose of God had ended. yes there are Jews that are being saved. but no longer are they the nation of God. This prophecy was fulfilled exactly. God is in control.

Another reason it is important to understand this prophecy is because it shows us that end time Israel which means overcomer. is not about literal Israel but rather the true church of God which is Jew and gentile alike. but that is a hole other study.

this has not been an exhaustive study on the subject. you will notice i did not explain everything in the texts but rather focused on the main point. This prophecy is already fulfilled. blessings all may God bless you in your getting to know Him better.
 
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peterT

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There is no covenant made in Daniel 9:27 it says He confirms the covenant it does not say He makes a covenant. So what is the covenant?
Daniel 9:4
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Paul understood about the covenant
Galatians 3:16-17
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

So it is referring to the covenant made with Abraham
Genesis 12:1-3
(1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 17:8
(8) And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Abraham understood this to be the new earth
Hebrews 11:10
(10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

The covenant was made to the seed (Christ) and anyone who wants to inherit the new earth must belong to the seed
Galatians 3:16
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:29
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Did Christ say we need to belong to Him?
John 10:28
(28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

What did the apostles say?
Acts 4:10-12
(10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
(11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is much more about the covenant in the new testament but, it is about inheriting the new earth and we need to belong to Christ to inherit the new earth.
Nice try.

but is about the AC coming to power

The prince of this world shall confirm the holy covenant with many for seven years and in the middle of the seven years will go against the holy agreement and place there or set up there the abomination of desolation

The holy covenant sounds like a religious agreement a religious freedom for seven years, then in the middle of the week he goes against the agreement ( the holy covenant) and SET UP the abomination of desolation that stand in the HOLY PLACE.
The abomination of desolation that’s set up or stand in the HOLY PLACE. Sounds like the image to the beast in Rv13


Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it OUGHT NOT, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 
Matt24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rv13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

7 years

Genesis 29:27Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

one week is seven years


Daniel 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And HE (the prince of this world) shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE week: and in the midst of the seven he (the prince of this world) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

John12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

John14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
 
Daniel 11:22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
 
Daniel 11:28Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart [shall be] against the holy covenant; and he shall do [exploits], and return to his own land.
 
Daniel 11:30For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
 
Daniel 11:32And such as do wickedly against the COVENANT shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits].
Daniel 11:31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall PLACE the abomination that maketh desolate.
 
Daniel 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate SET UP, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
 
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There is no covenant made in Daniel 9:27 it says He confirms the covenant it does not say He makes a covenant. So what is the covenant?
Daniel 9:4
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Paul understood about the covenant
Galatians 3:16-17
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

So it is referring to the covenant made with Abraham
Genesis 12:1-3
(1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 17:8
(8) And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Abraham understood this to be the new earth
Hebrews 11:10
(10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

The covenant was made to the seed (Christ) and anyone who wants to inherit the new earth must belong to the seed
Galatians 3:16
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:29
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Did Christ say we need to belong to Him?
John 10:28
(28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

What did the apostles say?
Acts 4:10-12
(10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
(11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is much more about the covenant in the new testament but, it is about inheriting the new earth and we need to belong to Christ to inherit the new earth.
Excellent post. the only reason Peter, eg or anyone else would refuse to hear this is because their doctrine means more to them than the truth
 
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peterT

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Excellent post. the only reason Peter, eg or anyone else would refuse to hear this is because their doctrine means more to them than the truth
You’re funny
 
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Thanks, buit all jokes asie i will in to verses show you #1 what the covenant was, and #2 who confirmed it.

#1 What was the covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

The covenant was the promise of Messiah.

#2 Who confirmed the covenant.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Jesus confirmed the covenant
 
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peterT

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Thanks, buit all jokes asie i will in to verses show you #1 what the covenant was, and #2 who confirmed it.

#1 What was the covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

The covenant was the promise of Messiah.

#2 Who confirmed the covenant.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Jesus confirmed the covenant
313 Matches for covenant in the Bible and you pick them two to say its talking about Daniel 9
so why don’t you link them to Daniel 9, showing its talking about Daniel 9
you cannot link them verses to the one week you cannot link them to Daniel 9;27

You just assume


Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:32And such as do wickedly against the COVENANT shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits].

What’s Jesus doing corrupt people by flatteries?

It’s the AC that confirm the COVENANT with many for one week

Jesus said when you see the abominations he shall make [it] desolate then flee to the mountings
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Its end time prophecy
 
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Thanks, buit all jokes asie i will in to verses show you #1 what the covenant was, and #2 who confirmed it.

#1 What was the covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

The covenant was the promise of Messiah.

#2 Who confirmed the covenant.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Jesus confirmed the covenant
313 Matches for covenant in the Bible and you pick them two to say its talking about Daniel 9
so why don’t you link them to Daniel 9, showing its talking about Daniel 9
you cannot link them verses to the one week you cannot link them to Daniel 9;27

You just assume
No assumption it is quite simple really. Jesus quote Daniel 9:27 when speaking of the New covenant.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:32And such as do wickedly against the COVENANT shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits].

What’s Jesus doing corrupt people by flatteries?
The he is Daniel 9, and the he in Daniel 11 are not the same. For you to try and force them into one shows that your are not willing to hear truth

It’s the AC that confirm the COVENANT with many for one week
Wrong

Jesus said when you see the abominations he shall make [it] desolate then flee to the mountings
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Its end time prophecy
Exactly, just like Daniel 9 says because of the overspread of abomination Jesus shall make it desolate. Are you changing your tune?
 
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Excellent post. the only reason Peter, eg or anyone else would refuse to hear this is because their doctrine means more to them than the truth
Thanks, I also liked the response from gotime. I was going to use this as a response on another thread , but I thought it would be better to have a discussion on the covenant instead.
 
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No assumption it is quite simple really. Jesus quote Daniel 9:27 when speaking of the New covenant.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


The he is Daniel 9, and the he in Daniel 11 are not the same. For you to try and force them into one shows that your are not willing to hear truth

Wrong

Exactly, just like Daniel 9 says because of the overspread of abomination Jesus shall make it desolate. Are you changing your tune?
That’s the middle of the seven years, what is Jesus doing seting up, or placing there, the abomination maketh desolate in the middle of the week?

WOW you guys are the grave diggers, the bible buriers.
You bury Bible prophecy as deep as you can and then try to make it sound its Godley.
I would not be surprised if you guys were on the council when they deliver some of us up.

Daniel 11:31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the ABOMINATION that maketh desolate.

Daniel 12:11And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

By the way YOU’RE fired.
 
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Nice try.

but is about the AC coming to power

The prince of this world shall confirm the holy covenant with many for seven years and in the middle of the seven years will go against the holy agreement and place there or set up there the abomination of desolation

The holy covenant sounds like a religious agreement a religious freedom for seven years, then in the middle of the week he goes against the agreement ( the holy covenant) and SET UP the abomination of desolation that stand in the HOLY PLACE.
The abomination of desolation that’s set up or stand in the HOLY PLACE. Sounds like the image to the beast in Rv13


Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it OUGHT NOT, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 
Matt24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rv13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

7 years

Genesis 29:27Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

one week is seven years


Daniel 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And HE (the prince of this world) shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE week: and in the midst of the seven he (the prince of this world) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

John12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

John14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
 
Daniel 11:22And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
 
Daniel 11:28Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart [shall be] against the holy covenant; and he shall do [exploits], and return to his own land.
 
Daniel 11:30For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
 
Daniel 11:32And such as do wickedly against the COVENANT shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits].
Daniel 11:31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall PLACE the abomination that maketh desolate.
 
Daniel 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate SET UP, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

None of those verses say that a covenant will be made Daniel 9:27 says that the Messiah will confirm the covenant it does not say a covenant will be made. Can you show me a verse that says a covenant will be made in the end time?
 
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313 Matches for covenant in the Bible and you pick them two to say its talking about Daniel 9
so why don’t you link them to Daniel 9, showing its talking about Daniel 9
you cannot link them verses to the one week you cannot link them to Daniel 9;27

You just assume


Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:32And such as do wickedly against the COVENANT shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits].

What’s Jesus doing corrupt people by flatteries?

It’s the AC that confirm the COVENANT with many for one week

Jesus said when you see the abominations he shall make [it] desolate then flee to the mountings
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Its end time prophecy
How can you have the Messiah clearly mentioned in verses 25-26 then in verse 27 you turn it around to say it is the antichrist? That kind of reasoning is going against the context of Daniel 9. It is Christ who confirmed the covenant that was already there with Abraham. Christ did not make a covenant for 7 years He confirmed the covenant He made with Abraham.
John 8:58
(58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


 
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There is no covenant made in Daniel 9:27 it says He confirms the covenant it does not say He makes a covenant. So what is the covenant?
Daniel 9:4
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Paul understood about the covenant
Galatians 3:16-17
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

So it is referring to the covenant made with Abraham
Genesis 12:1-3
(1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 17:8
(8) And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Abraham understood this to be the new earth
Hebrews 11:10
(10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

The covenant was made to the seed (Christ) and anyone who wants to inherit the new earth must belong to the seed
Galatians 3:16
(16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:29
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Did Christ say we need to belong to Him?
John 10:28
(28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

What did the apostles say?
Acts 4:10-12
(10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
(11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is much more about the covenant in the new testament but, it is about inheriting the new earth and we need to belong to Christ to inherit the new earth.
Nice work..esp Gal. 3 :)
 
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Excellent post. the only reason Peter, eg or anyone else would refuse to hear this is because their doctrine means more to them than the truth
Wow. No proof to back your claims. And all you do is make an attack?

Lets do a study of daniel 9. You would see who is right. and who is more worried about their faulty belief system than truth!
 
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Thanks, buit all jokes asie i will in to verses show you #1 what the covenant was, and #2 who confirmed it.

#1 What was the covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

The covenant was the promise of Messiah.

#2 Who confirmed the covenant.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Jesus confirmed the covenant
Who said that this covenant has to be the ones given in the past? Just because you see the word covenant does not mean it is always the same one.

Lets look at chapter 9

26 “ And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off
, but not for Himself;


Here we have Christ crucified at the END of the 69th week. Not in the middle of the 70th or the end. But After 69 weeks.


And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.


Fulfilled in 70 AD. The people of the price who is to come. We know through history that it was the ROMAN ARMY who destroyed the temple. which means the prince who is to come will be of these people.

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.


This will continue (the destruction and desolation of the temple) Until the end of wars and desolations are determined. Who determines when this will be?? GOD!


27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”


1. He, who is he? He can be no other than the "prince who is to come" Who is this prince? He comes out of the people who destroy the temple. which means either a revised Roman or European empire.

2. He (in the middle of the 7 year agreement) breaks his own covenant (agreement) and makes an abomination of desolation)

3. This will continue until the consummation.

what do we see?

It is not the abrahamic covenant.
It is not a covenant between God and man, or even Isreal
It IS an agreement (covenant) between some future roman or European leader, which is made with "many"
He will break this covenant by commiting an abomination.
according to Christ. it is AFTER this that there will be great tribulation. Which according to his words. if he did not return and put an end to it, ALL MANKIND would cease to exist.


But you wont see this, Your belief system is to important.
 
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How can you have the Messiah clearly mentioned in verses 25-26 then in verse 27 you turn it around to say it is the antichrist? That kind of reasoning is going against the context of Daniel 9. It is Christ who confirmed the covenant that was already there with Abraham. Christ did not make a covenant for 7 years He confirmed the covenant He made with Abraham.
John 8:58
(58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


I must disagree. Christ did not destroy the temple. The people of the prince who will come did. The prince confirms the covenant. Not Christ. It makes no sense. Not to mention Christ himself says when you see the abomination. Run. He is telling us all to run.
 

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I must disagree. Christ did not destroy the temple. The people of the prince who will come did. The prince confirms the covenant. Not Christ. It makes no sense. Not to mention Christ himself says when you see the abomination. Run. He is telling us all to run.
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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and the people (Romans soldiers) of the prince (Titus) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (70AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

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Matthew 23
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Luke 19
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
 

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Daniel 9
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times......

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

and the end thereof shall be with a flood,

and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation,

and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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Polysyndeton is the use of several conjunctions in close succession, especially where some might be omitted (as in "he ran and jumped and laughed for joy"). It is a stylistic scheme used to achieve a variety of effects: it can increase the rhythm of prose, speed or slow its pace, convey solemnity or even ecstasy and childlike exuberance. In grammar, a polysyndetic coordination is a coordination in which all conjuncts are linked by coordinating conjunctions (usually and, but, or, nor in English).
 
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I must disagree. Christ did not destroy the temple. The people of the prince who will come did. The prince confirms the covenant. Not Christ. It makes no sense. Not to mention Christ himself says when you see the abomination. Run. He is telling us all to run.
It is ok to disagree this is a Bible discussion forum. For now I would like to discuss God's covenant with Abraham and his seed, what do you understand the covenant to be?