Pretend it is fake.There is no future rapture, the word "rapture" is another fake construct.
Easy.
Follow your teachers.
They have done wonders for you.
Pretend it is fake.There is no future rapture, the word "rapture" is another fake construct.
Easy.
The AC is Known to us believers at his arrival on the white horse.
He kicks off the 7yr trib.
The world will not know.
The Jews will not know.
Study more.
You are avoiding what is there.
Unearned men have lead you.
I agree the Jewish component is foundational.The new covenant is beyond ethnicity.
Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with being born again.
Their are two covenants.
That new one it also the new testament.
There has to be a testator.
There has to be a death.
It had to be a jewish death.
The ot died and Jesus died.
Now look at the priesthood;
The priesthood was exchanged at Jesus baptism.
JTB was the lawful priest via lineage of Zachariah. ( annas and chiaphus were roman appointees)
JTB passed the priesthood to Jesus at baptism.
The priesthood changed to Judah, David, melchasideck.
Jesus became our priest. Under Judah.
without the understanding of priesthood, end time is partially unpacked.
It goes to the depth of covenant.
The 2 wives off the table= limited end time view.
Ask yourself why Jesus and the priesthood is under a JEWISH DYNAMIC.
WHY is the Jewish tribes and JEWISH PRIESTHOOD a centerpiece of ALL ENDTIMES.?
If i do not investigate the JEWISH ingredient/ or component, i will only get a shallow end times picture.
Amen to thisThe new covenant is beyond ethnicity.
Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with being born again.
I don't agree Jesus priesthood is under Jewish dynamic. It is opposite, the Jewish model in OT is a symbolic view of Jesus priesthood.Their are two covenants.
That new one it also the new testament.
There has to be a testator.
There has to be a death.
It had to be a jewish death.
The ot died and Jesus died.
Now look at the priesthood;
The priesthood was exchanged at Jesus baptism.
JTB was the lawful priest via lineage of Zachariah. ( annas and chiaphus were roman appointees)
JTB passed the priesthood to Jesus at baptism.
The priesthood changed to Judah, David, melchasideck.
Jesus became our priest. Under Judah.
without the understanding of priesthood, end time is partially unpacked.
It goes to the depth of covenant.
The 2 wives off the table= limited end time view.
Ask yourself why Jesus and the priesthood is under a JEWISH DYNAMIC.
WHY is the Jewish tribes and JEWISH PRIESTHOOD a centerpiece of ALL ENDTIMES.?
If i do not investigate the JEWISH ingredient/ or component, i will only get a shallow end times picture.
I agree the Jewish component is foundational.
The question is whether it remains the controlling category after the coming of Christ, or whether Christ Himself becomes the interpretive center through whom both Jew and Gentile inherit the promises.
That's the step that still needs to be demonstrated from the text.
The AC is Known to us believers at his arrival on the white horse.
He kicks off the 7yr trib.
The world will not know.
The Jews will not know.
What scripture never say is, don't repent, don't return to God now, wait and do that in future.1 Thessalonians 4 Is About the Dead in Christ, Not an Escape From Earth
The main passage used to support rapture theology is 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18.
Paul does describe a catching up here, so there is no need to pretend that language is not in the text. The real question is what Paul means by it and what problem he is actually trying to answer.
Paul begins the section by talking about those who had died. He tells the Thessalonians that he does not want them to be uninformed concerning those who had “fallen asleep.”
Their concern was not how to escape a future worldwide tribulation. Their concern was what would happen to people among them who had already died before the coming they were expecting.
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Audience relevance makes scripture understandable and negates speculation (aka newspaper eschatology).
Could be.True, but that doesn't mean that more people won't be figuring it out until the very end of the 7 year tribulation period.
We know that by the time Jesus returns that there has to be people alive in order for Jesus to put them through the Sheep & Goat Judgement and then continue on into the Millennial Kingdom period for them to rebuild and repopulate the earth again before the final Great White Throne Judgement.
YesAmen to this
I don't agree Jesus priesthood is under Jewish dynamic. It is opposite, the Jewish model in OT is a symbolic view of Jesus priesthood.
God is using jews in OT as a stage play, to help everyone understand the ultimate Jesus, the high priest, as if the line of melchezadec.
Note melchezadec is gentile, priest of most high. Abraham give offerings to him.
It is showcased in Rev 5I agree the Jewish component is foundational.
The question is whether it remains the controlling category after the coming of Christ, or whether Christ Himself becomes the interpretive center through whom both Jew and Gentile inherit the promises.
That's the step that still needs to be demonstrated from the text.
That gathering is indeed after the trib, but not by Jesus.I agree that Revelation 13 presents a global scope.
Verse 7 speaks of authority over "all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
Verse 8 says all who dwell on the earth whose names are not written in the Book of Life worship the beast.
Verse 16 says he causes all classes of people to receive a mark.
But that still doesn't answer the question under debate.
If Matthew 24:29-31 places the gathering of the elect after the tribulation, who are those elect being gathered?
If they include living believers, then Revelation 13 cannot automatically be taken to mean every believer has already been martyred before Christ's return.
Her vision or dream was pretrib rapture.
It does not exist, you have to read things into the text that isn't there to conclude no saints on earth when Christ returnsI know. All I'm asking for is a verse and I keep getting the run around
It will be such deception.I've always seen the anti-Christ coming into the tribulation having the answers to the world's problem.
Gaining fame and recognition elected to govern the world. This being new world order.
I also see the tribulation starting as mankind distance its self from God causing the unseen protective hedges and blessing of God to cease. As scripture says ..every man did what he thought was right in his own eyes. This also explains the great apostasy.
Isn't that Jesus?It is showcased in Rev 5
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Margret McDonald - Edward Irving, Darby et all disagree, it is a secret rapture Margret saw it when Christ took her up to heaven to show her a video of it.There is no future rapture, the word "rapture" is another fake construct.
Easy.
All most likely means something else.It does not exist, you have to read things into the text that isn't there to conclude no saints on earth when Christ returns