Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Psalm1]

There is no future rapture, the word "rapture" is another fake construct.
Easy.

Pretend it is fake.
Follow your teachers.
They have done wonders for you.

 

[Revelation1v8]

The AC is Known to us believers at his arrival on the white horse.
He kicks off the 7yr trib.

The world will not know.
The Jews will not know.

True, but that doesn't mean that more people won't be figuring it out until the very end of the 7 year tribulation period.

We know that by the time Jesus returns that there has to be people alive in order for Jesus to put them through the Sheep & Goat Judgement and then continue on into the Millennial Kingdom period for them to rebuild and repopulate the earth again before the final Great White Throne Judgement.

 

[HeIsHere]

Study more.
You are avoiding what is there.

Unearned men have lead you.

Yes I used to say that to people, now I realize it is pointless advice.

What I needed was to be deprogrammed, I just opened the door a sliver and then in time my programming all fell apart.
It was only when the programming was gone that I could actually study more!

Guess what scripture became quite easy too!

 

[OMC]

The new covenant is beyond ethnicity.
Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with being born again.

Their are two covenants.

That new one it also the new testament.
There has to be a testator.
There has to be a death.

It had to be a jewish death.
The ot died and Jesus died.

Now look at the priesthood;
The priesthood was exchanged at Jesus baptism.
JTB was the lawful priest via lineage of Zachariah. ( annas and chiaphus were roman appointees)
JTB passed the priesthood to Jesus at baptism.
The priesthood changed to Judah, David, melchasideck.
Jesus became our priest. Under Judah.

without the understanding of priesthood, end time is partially unpacked.
It goes to the depth of covenant.

The 2 wives off the table= limited end time view.
 
Ask yourself why Jesus and the priesthood is under a JEWISH DYNAMIC.

WHY is the Jewish tribes and JEWISH PRIESTHOOD a centerpiece of ALL ENDTIMES.?

If i do not investigate the JEWISH ingredient/ or component, i will only get a shallow end times picture.

I agree the Jewish component is foundational.
The question is whether it remains the controlling category after the coming of Christ, or whether Christ Himself becomes the interpretive center through whom both Jew and Gentile inherit the promises.
That's the step that still needs to be demonstrated from the text.

 

[HeIsHere]

 

[Churchgoer]

The new covenant is beyond ethnicity.
Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with being born again.

Amen to this

Their are two covenants.

That new one it also the new testament.
There has to be a testator.
There has to be a death.

It had to be a jewish death.
The ot died and Jesus died.

Now look at the priesthood;
The priesthood was exchanged at Jesus baptism.
JTB was the lawful priest via lineage of Zachariah. ( annas and chiaphus were roman appointees)
JTB passed the priesthood to Jesus at baptism.
The priesthood changed to Judah, David, melchasideck.
Jesus became our priest. Under Judah.

without the understanding of priesthood, end time is partially unpacked.
It goes to the depth of covenant.

The 2 wives off the table= limited end time view.
 
Ask yourself why Jesus and the priesthood is under a JEWISH DYNAMIC.

WHY is the Jewish tribes and JEWISH PRIESTHOOD a centerpiece of ALL ENDTIMES.?

If i do not investigate the JEWISH ingredient/ or component, i will only get a shallow end times picture.

I don't agree Jesus priesthood is under Jewish dynamic. It is opposite, the Jewish model in OT is a symbolic view of Jesus priesthood.

God is using jews in OT as a stage play, to help everyone understand the ultimate Jesus, the high priest, as if the line of melchezadec.

Note melchezadec is gentile, priest of most high. Abraham give offerings to him.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I agree the Jewish component is foundational.
The question is whether it remains the controlling category after the coming of Christ, or whether Christ Himself becomes the interpretive center through whom both Jew and Gentile inherit the promises.
That's the step that still needs to be demonstrated from the text.

Good point. Since different parts of Revelation shows us that those who became martyrs during the Great Tribulation are the ones who will rule over the restored earth with Christ (Revelation 5, 7 & 20), then the restored earth must be made up of anyone and everyone who managed to survive the Great Tribulation and make their way into the Millennial Kingdom to repopulate the earth.

Here are some Bible verses:

• Matthew 25:31–46: Describes the judgment of the "sheep" (righteous Gentiles who survived the Tribulation) entering the kingdom alongside the righteous.
• Isaiah 66:23: Prophesies that "all flesh" (Jews and Gentiles) will come to worship before God from one Sabbath to another.
• Zechariah 8:23: States that ten men from all nations (Gentiles) will grasp the garment of a Jew, acknowledging that "God is with you."
• Isaiah 56:6–7: Promises that foreigners (Gentiles) who join themselves to the Lord will be brought to His holy mountain for worship alongside His servants.
• Zechariah 14:16–19: Mandates that survivors from all Gentile nations will go up to Jerusalem annually to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts.
• Romans 11:26–27: Affirms that "all Israel will be saved," while earlier verses (e.g., Romans 11:12, 15) discuss the fullness of the Gentiles, indicating a unified redemption.

 

[God-fearing]

The AC is Known to us believers at his arrival on the white horse.
He kicks off the 7yr trib.

The world will not know.
The Jews will not know.

I've always seen the anti-Christ coming into the tribulation having the answers to the world's problem.
Gaining fame and recognition elected to govern the world. This being new world order.
I also see the tribulation starting as mankind distance its self from God causing the unseen protective hedges and blessing of God to cease. As scripture says ..every man did what he thought was right in his own eyes. This also explains the great apostasy.

 

[HeIsHere]

1 Thessalonians 4 Is About the Dead in Christ, Not an Escape From Earth​

The main passage used to support rapture theology is 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18.

Paul does describe a catching up here, so there is no need to pretend that language is not in the text. The real question is what Paul means by it and what problem he is actually trying to answer.

Paul begins the section by talking about those who had died. He tells the Thessalonians that he does not want them to be uninformed concerning those who had “fallen asleep.”
Their concern was not how to escape a future worldwide tribulation. Their concern was what would happen to people among them who had already died before the coming they were expecting.

Source

Audience relevance makes scripture understandable and negates speculation (aka newspaper eschatology).

 

[Churchgoer]

1 Thessalonians 4 Is About the Dead in Christ, Not an Escape From Earth​

The main passage used to support rapture theology is 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18.

Paul does describe a catching up here, so there is no need to pretend that language is not in the text. The real question is what Paul means by it and what problem he is actually trying to answer.

Paul begins the section by talking about those who had died. He tells the Thessalonians that he does not want them to be uninformed concerning those who had “fallen asleep.”
Their concern was not how to escape a future worldwide tribulation. Their concern was what would happen to people among them who had already died before the coming they were expecting.

Source

Audience relevance makes scripture understandable and negates speculation (aka newspaper eschatology).

What scripture never say is, don't repent, don't return to God now, wait and do that in future.

The scripture always telling people repent and return to God now.

Jesus says we don't even know what will happen tomorrow. Why continue sin and refuse salvation today? Why encourage other people to continue sinan refuse salvation today?

 

[Psalm1]

True, but that doesn't mean that more people won't be figuring it out until the very end of the 7 year tribulation period.

We know that by the time Jesus returns that there has to be people alive in order for Jesus to put them through the Sheep & Goat Judgement and then continue on into the Millennial Kingdom period for them to rebuild and repopulate the earth again before the final Great White Throne Judgement.

Could be.
I think at the AOD he will be figured out.

 

[Psalm1]

Amen to this

I don't agree Jesus priesthood is under Jewish dynamic. It is opposite, the Jewish model in OT is a symbolic view of Jesus priesthood.

God is using jews in OT as a stage play, to help everyone understand the ultimate Jesus, the high priest, as if the line of melchezadec.

Note melchezadec is gentile, priest of most high. Abraham give offerings to him.

Yes
I partially agree, but the priesthood is definately under Judah now.
IOW OUR high priest Jesus is framed by heaven as Judah...Jewish.

Rev 5
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Heaven and the Jewish component is super far reaching in our present relationship.

 

[Psalm1]

I agree the Jewish component is foundational.
The question is whether it remains the controlling category after the coming of Christ, or whether Christ Himself becomes the interpretive center through whom both Jew and Gentile inherit the promises.
That's the step that still needs to be demonstrated from the text.

It is showcased in Rev 5
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

 

[Psalm1]

I agree that Revelation 13 presents a global scope.
Verse 7 speaks of authority over "all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
Verse 8 says all who dwell on the earth whose names are not written in the Book of Life worship the beast.
Verse 16 says he causes all classes of people to receive a mark.

But that still doesn't answer the question under debate.

If Matthew 24:29-31 places the gathering of the elect after the tribulation, who are those elect being gathered?
If they include living believers, then Revelation 13 cannot automatically be taken to mean every believer has already been martyred before Christ's return.

That gathering is indeed after the trib, but not by Jesus.
It says "jesus sends."
He does no gathering.
He sends angels.
They are gathered to the white horses. Assembled on horses in heaven and they await for the commander to take the lead horse.

 

[Psalm1]

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Her vision or dream was pretrib rapture.

I investigated this.
SHE WAS A POSTRIBBER.

She believed the church has to go through the trib for cleansing.

That's the difference.
I investigate everything.

So if you think she was crazy, then that is showcasing your position as wild and crazy.

Oh the irony.

 

[WayneNSO]

I know. All I'm asking for is a verse and I keep getting the run around

It does not exist, you have to read things into the text that isn't there to conclude no saints on earth when Christ returns

 

[Psalm1]

I've always seen the anti-Christ coming into the tribulation having the answers to the world's problem.
Gaining fame and recognition elected to govern the world. This being new world order.
I also see the tribulation starting as mankind distance its self from God causing the unseen protective hedges and blessing of God to cease. As scripture says ..every man did what he thought was right in his own eyes. This also explains the great apostasy.

It will be such deception.
Those with the mark will adore that mark..
It will make them beam with satisfaction.
They will also say " man am i ever glad I was so wise to get this wonderful tattoo and chip"
They will point to believers in open air camps waiting their fate and say: "look at those fools rejecting it. What stupid idiots"

 

[Churchgoer]

It is showcased in Rev 5
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Isn't that Jesus?

 

[WayneNSO]

There is no future rapture, the word "rapture" is another fake construct.
Easy.

Margret McDonald - Edward Irving, Darby et all disagree, it is a secret rapture Margret saw it when Christ took her up to heaven to show her a video of it.

 

[Psalm1]

It does not exist, you have to read things into the text that isn't there to conclude no saints on earth when Christ returns

All most likely means something else.
Yes that has to be it.
I know when I say "all" I never mean all.

My natural default is either "some" or "none"

How dumb to think "all" is referring to "all".

My new bible says ,
Rev 13
"all do not take the mark".

Oh wait...I just remembered "all" can never be "all".

Hmmmmmm.
I got it.!
My new translation will be
Rev 13
"all can not possibly take the mark"