The Ninety-Five Theses Against Dispensationalism

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zone said:
hey lilchristian.
it does deal with a lot of endtime stuff.
the pretrib rapture, an earthly kingdom all that comes from it.

what i meant was that those ideas are not in scripture, and are tied in to the overall approach, or method. the entire system is false.

it has permeated many many other issues, and they are marked by GAPS.
the whole system is a set of doctrines of devils given to men a long time ago through the occult.
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Utter rubbish. I'm sorry you believe this way.

First Advent...........>..........eschaton (endtimes)..Second Advent > Eternity
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First Advent...>...Christianity...>...rapture...>...trib (book of Revelation)..>...Second Advent...>...millennial kingdom...>...satan loosed...>...destroyed by God...>...white throne judgment...>...new heaven and earth...>... Eternity
 
shroom2 said:
Utter rubbish. I'm sorry you believe this way.
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i can prove it.

shroom2 said:
First Advent...>...Christianity [GOD CONFOUNDED BY ISRAEL'S REJECTION OF JESUS - IMPLEMENTS PLAN B]...>...rapture [remove Plan B to resume Plan A]...>...trib (book of Revelation)..>...Second Advent...>...millennial kingdom.[PLAN A NOW IN PLACE - ISRAEL AT HEAD OF KINGDOM, gentiles serving]..>...satan loosed [inexplicably able to muster rebellion - flesh and glorified together on old earth]...>...destroyed by God...>...white throne judgment...>...new heaven and earth...>... Eternity
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Tobby17 said:
Cause they're always too long..lol :p :D..

Come on now Zone, you should know that.. :D :D
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lol that was gonna be my guess and no pictures to distract you either.

lil Christian its a little about the future, the past and the present. I find it interesting to study because it effects people's decisions and policies about some big topics.

helps you understand the why behind people's choices and plan accordingly but no matter what you plan it will come to nothing if it is not blessed by God.
 
zone said:
i forgive you.
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Your forgiveness is a little twisted and misplaced, I never repented of anything that you could forgive me for. The disciples had a similair problem but they were Jews, what's your excuse?
 
Red33 said:
Your forgiveness is a little twisted and misplaced, I never repented of anything that you could forgive me for. The disciples had a similair problem but they were Jews, what's your excuse?
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just know when the day comes (if it does) you are rending your garments over what you've taught, and all these things you've said, there's at least one who forgave you in advance.
 
zone said:
i can prove it.
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You can't prove a thing, it's all distorted faith that you have contrived and derived with others through your own understanding. Just because it makes sense to you has no bearing whether is has the substance of truth. No one is persecuting you, just refusing to let you make a mockery out of the truth that has been given to us in the scriptures. Satan has been bound for the last 2,000 years has he? That's the kind of understanding you rely upon and there's lots more where that came from, but I don't want to embarrass you too much, just enough.
 
zone said:
shroom: explain how and more importantly WHY Daniel 9 is not fulfilled please.
this is one key to dispensationalism, is it not?

apparently we need a GAP. and we will see it in a dispensational interpretation of Daniel 9.
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zone.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
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I think it's here, zone. But if it's not right here, it's right before v27. I'm certain v27 is future, as it concerns the antichrist.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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Red33 said:
You can't prove a thing, it's all distorted faith that you have contrived and derived with others through your own understanding. Just because it makes sense to you has no bearing whether is has the substance of truth. No one is persecuting you, just refusing to let you make a mockery out of the truth that has been given to us < SNIP...BY CYRUS SCOFIELD > Satan has been bound for the last 2,000 years has he? That's the kind of understanding you rely upon and there's lots more where that came from, but I don't want to embarrass you too much, just enough.
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you're not embarassing me at all.
neither are you intimidating me.
you are causing schism over the false teaching though.
but that's the plan.

The Origin Of The Pretribulational Rapture Theory

A. W. Tozer: &#8220;Here is a doctrine that was not known or taught until the beginning of this century and it is already causing splits in churches.&#8221;

Philip Mauro: "The entire system of &#8216;dispensational teaching&#8217; is modernistic in the strictest sense; for it first came into existence within the memory of persons now living; and was altogether unknown even in their younger days; It is more recent than Darwinism.&#8221;&#8220;A system of doctrine that contradicts what has been held and taught by every Christian expositor and every minister of Christ from the very beginning of the Christian era&#8212;suddenly made its appearance in the later part of the nineteenth century".&#8221;

http://www.theologue.org/origins.html

causing splits in churches
 
shroom2 said:
I think it's here, zone. But if it's not right here, it's right before v27. I'm certain v27 is future, as it concerns the antichrist.
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and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


you can not say Jesus is the center of all things, and attribute His Finished Work here in v 27 to satan.
 
shroom2 said:
I think it's here, zone. But if it's not right here, it's right before v27. I'm certain v27 is future, as it concerns the antichrist.
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31. Despite the dispensationalists’ strong commitment to the “plain interpretation” of Scripture (Charles Ryrie) and its dependence on Daniel’s Seventy Weeks as “of major importance to premillennialism” (John Walvoord), they have to insert into the otherwise chronological progress of the singular period of “Seventy Weeks” (Dan 9:24) a gap in order to make their system work; and that gap is already four times longer than the whole Seventy Weeks (490 year) period

http://againstdispensationalism.com/95-theses/
 
I talked to "Mr. Scofield's family. They said he changed his first name by dropping the "Vi" in favor of "Cy"; presumably to avoid credibility issues. All done during a seance at the asylum.

Imagine... "Virus Study Bible". Wait... The name change didn't help. Cyrus da Virus. DUMBPUNsationalism is a malignant cancer that says God made a big "oops boo boo".

Along with the Emergent and Purpose-Drivel (sic) Church Movements of "Sacred Communitarianism", it's ushering in the horrors of that little season within what claims to be the Church.

A concubine, mistress, harlot, "sumpmm-sumpmm on the side" ain't a bride.
 
zone said:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


you can not say Jesus is the center of all things, and attribute His Finished Work here in v 27 to satan.
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v27 is not talking about Christ.
 
i wish i could help you see shroom.
i'm praying you will.
love zone.
 
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