GUARANTEE FOR A LITERAL 1000 YRS IN WRITING

[Raistlin]

Rev 20:2-3
2 >And he laid hold of the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 >And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should not deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled, and after that he must be loosed a little season.

A seal is an official instrument to be opened by the receiver, or opened at a set time by reason of its terms.

Therefore a metaphoric 1000 yr seal in this clear legal context (to bind Satan) by order of God Himself, would be exactly the same as a literal 1000 yr seal because its only possible use/function/meaning is always the same...to be opened under set terms (by whom and when).

Is the angel with the key metaphoric?
Is God described here metaphorically?
Or Satan?
Is it being metaphoric about the seal?..... It Wouldn't matter...
The seal guarantees it's literal meaning.

We will have a future 1000 years where Satan will be locked up when Jesus returns.

A literal 1000 year guarantee sealed within a metaphoric 1000 year seal.

 

[zone]

Rev 20:2-3
2 >And he laid hold of the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 >And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should not deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled, and after that he must be loosed a little season.

A seal is an official instrument to be opened by the receiver, or opened at a set time by reason of its terms.

Therefore a metaphoric 1000 yr seal in this clear legal context (to bind Satan) by order of God Himself, would be exactly the same as a literal 1000 yr seal because its only possible use/function/meaning is always the same...to be opened under set terms (by whom and when).

Is the angel with the key metaphoric?
Is God described here metaphorically?
Or Satan?
Is it being metaphoric about the seal?..... It Wouldn't matter...
The seal guarantees it's literal meaning.

We will have a future 1000 years where Satan will be locked up when Jesus returns.

A literal 1000 year guarantee sealed within a metaphoric 1000 year seal.

ok.
what happens during the 1,000 years?

 

[WeStand]

Rev 20:2-3
2 >And he laid hold of the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 >And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should not deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled, and after that he must be loosed a little season.

A seal is an official instrument to be opened by the receiver, or opened at a set time by reason of its terms.

Therefore a metaphoric 1000 yr seal in this clear legal context (to bind Satan) by order of God Himself, would be exactly the same as a literal 1000 yr seal because its only possible use/function/meaning is always the same...to be opened under set terms (by whom and when).

Is the an gel with the key metaphoric?
Is God described here metaphorically?
Or Satan?
Is it being metaphoric about the seal?..... It Wouldn't matter...
The seal guarantees it's literal meaning.

We will have a future 1000 years where Satan will be locked up when Jesus returns.

A literal 1000 year guarantee sealed within a metaphoric 1000 year seal.[/quote

I'll Happily claim 2nd WITNESS to this Pearl of many Pearls of Truth.

That's That (amen)

Gee, i wonder why? Gods Word of Truth, states, in time to come, The moon shall burn as Bright as the sun, and the Sun 7 times Brighter.

Forever in Christ
Sweet

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I believe God's figurative always has a literal truth. Think about it; if God is using a figure for something is it not an exact and perfect figure from God? We should never acuse God of exagerating or under-estimating. It is exactly comparable to the reality when there is a figurative from God in the Bible. Name one parable in the Bible that is not speaking of something in reality. There is no way to do away with a Scripture by saying it is a figure. It is a figure of something real. People who say things are spiritual or figurative need to face reality that both of these things have a reality. The reality is equivalent to the figure. You cannot say a pound of figurative is equal to an ounce of reality. God gives perfect figures. Indeed a pound of figurative is worth a pound of reality because God does not lie or say things incorrectly.

 

[WeStand]

I believe God's figurative always has a literal truth. Think about it; if God is using a figure for something is it not an exact and perfect figure from God? We should never acuse God of exagerating or under-estimating. It is exactly comparable to the reality when there is a figurative from God in the Bible. Name one parable in the Bible that is not speaking of something in reality. There is no way to do away with a Scripture by saying it is a figure. It is a figure of something real. People who say things are spiritual or figurative need to face reality that both of these things have a reality. The reality is equivalent to the figure. You cannot say a pound of figurative is equal to an ounce of reality. God gives perfect figures. Indeed a pound of figurative is worth a pound of reality because God does not lie or say things incorrectly.

What a Pile of Engish.
Forever IN Christ

 

[Red33]

ok.
what happens during the 1,000 years?

I'm sure you'll be drinking lattes with Abiding and AnadaHya on some remote island maturating under the sun having great personality exchanges of all the great Jewish conspiracies that have transpired while waiting for the Second Coming. Then to your surprise you are rudely awakened (spilling your fresh made lattes) by the appearance of the Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds of the air. You are so startled by the surprise but in that instance you remember the hologram hoax. While comforted your friends that His real return while be soon, you nestled back into your lifestyle of ease and pleasure and conspiracy theories while criticizing CI Scofield and those that have been so deluded by dispensational truth. LEFT BEHIND!

 

[zone]

I believe God's figurative always has a literal truth. Think about it; if God is using a figure for something is it not an exact and perfect figure from God? We should never acuse God of exagerating or under-estimating. It is exactly comparable to the reality when there is a figurative from God in the Bible. Name one parable in the Bible that is not speaking of something in reality. There is no way to do away with a Scripture by saying it is a figure. It is a figure of something real. People who say things are spiritual or figurative need to face reality that both of these things have a reality. The reality is equivalent to the figure. You cannot say a pound of figurative is equal to an ounce of reality. God gives perfect figures. Indeed a pound of figurative is worth a pound of reality because God does not lie or say things incorrectly.

jonathan.
you're arguing the historic church's view of scripture from the beginning: recognizing God uses figurative language to convey a deeper truth (spiritual)
simply recognizing something described as a figurative representation of a reality does not deny the reality. it recognizes God uses figurative language.
that's a big step in understanding the spiritual.

what's all this "God does not lie" stuff?

i.e: you know Jesus is the True Israel, right?

 

[zone]

I'm sure you'll be drinking lattes with Abiding and AnadaHya on some remote island maturating under the sun having great personality exchanges of all the great Jewish conspiracies that have transpired while waiting for the Second Coming. Then to your surprise you are rudely awakened (spilling your fresh made lattes) by the appearance of the Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds of the air. You are so startled by the surprise but in that instance you remember the hologram hoax. While comforted your friends that His real return while be soon, you nestled back into your lifestyle of ease and pleasure and conspiracy theories while criticizing CI Scofield and those that have been so deluded by dispensational truth. LEFT BEHIND!

so the saving Gospel then is whether one believed in pretrib rapture?
cuz i see that nowhere presented as the Gospel.

you have to be looking into the sky at just the right "moment" to be saved.

the big owie with your system is it tells its followers not to give a moments thought to 2 Thessalonians 2 (for example), lying signs and wonder so intense, only the elect will not be deceived....no, for the pretribbers, escaping persecution is not only in their scheme, unbelief concerning the deception as well.
all your mockery of satan not being bound from deceiving the nations as they go out and kill the saints (for that's the ONLY thing said about the binding) will be a big shocker to you when that restraining ends...and yes, you'll still be here.

why do you give in to the flesh and include ana and abiding in your deriding posts to me?

it's a standard tactic. they may be sufficiently intimidated by this 'heretic-by-association' game you play to not interact with me (i doubt it/hope not....their choice), but it STILL doesn't change the fact that your foundation is faulty.

and that's really all this is about.
but you can change that Red, if you choose to.

 

[zone]

LaHaye 16:30
29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Kirk and Jack. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31They replied, “Believe in the Pretrib Rapture, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

 

[Red33]

LaHaye 16:30
29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Kirk and Jack. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31They replied, “Believe in the Pretrib Rapture, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

All someone has to do is mention certain 'buzz words' and you take right off on them and go for a ride. They are just buzz words and it is not wise to attribute things you have to say to all believers. If I really gave you what I have learned in the scriptures and laid it out verbatim, systematically and through categorical doctrine, you would spurn and belittle it with your rhetoric and consume it upon you own understanding.

BTW - I've never seen the movie or read the book and have no plans to do either.

 

[Abiding]

Oh so thats why you dont lay it out? your afraid of zones response?
Tell me then. What did Paul say about the rapture or millenium,
or Peter about the rapture or millenium? Or Jesus. Or Titus, Jude, John..........

 

[zone]

All someone has to do is mention certain 'buzz words' and you take right off on them and go for a ride. They are just buzz words and it is not wise to attribute things you have to say to all believers. If I really gave you what I have learned in the scriptures and laid it out verbatim, systematically and through categorical doctrine, you would spurn and belittle it with your rhetoric and consume it upon you own understanding.

BTW - I've never seen the movie or read the book and have no plans to do either.

whatever you lay out will be the same as you've already done: through the dispensational lens. but please do so.
if refutation by exegesis is spurning and belittling you have a problem.

ya....the movie and knock-offs prolly wouldn't be much fun: you've already internalized from the source.

 

[Abiding]

Rev 20:2-3
2 >And he laid hold of the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 >And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should not deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled, and after that he must be loosed a little season.

A seal is an official instrument to be opened by the receiver, or opened at a set time by reason of its terms.

Therefore a metaphoric 1000 yr seal in this clear legal context (to bind Satan) by order of God Himself, would be exactly the same as a literal 1000 yr seal because its only possible use/function/meaning is always the same...to be opened under set terms (by whom and when).

Is the angel with the key metaphoric?
Is God described here metaphorically?
Or Satan?
Is it being metaphoric about the seal?..... It Wouldn't matter...
The seal guarantees it's literal meaning.

We will have a future 1000 years where Satan will be locked up when Jesus returns.

A literal 1000 year guarantee sealed within a metaphoric 1000 year seal.

where did you find the rules? this wouldnt hold up for one chapter anywhere in the bible i bet.

 

[Abiding]

why do you give in to the flesh and include ana and abiding in your deriding posts to me?

it's a standard tactic. they may be sufficiently intimidated by this 'heretic-by-association' game you play to not interact with me (i doubt it/hope not....their choice), but it STILL doesn't change the fact that your foundation is faulty

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he does it to me and ana too.......said it was something about modeling grace if i remember right.
what he never does tho is simply dialogue with scripture, usually just namecalling....bible forum right?

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

so the saving Gospel then is whether one believed in pretrib rapture?
cuz i see that nowhere presented as the Gospel.

you have to be looking into the sky at just the right "moment" to be saved.

the big owie with your system is it tells its followers not to give a moments thought to 2 Thessalonians 2 (for example), lying signs and wonder so intense, only the elect will not be deceived....no, for the pretribbers, escaping persecution is not only in their scheme, unbelief concerning the deception as well.
all your mockery of satan not being bound from deceiving the nations as they go out and kill the saints (for that's the ONLY thing said about the binding) will be a big shocker to you when that restraining ends...and yes, you'll still be here.

why do you give in to the flesh and include ana and abiding in your deriding posts to me?

it's a standard tactic. they may be sufficiently intimidated by this 'heretic-by-association' game you play to not interact with me (i doubt it/hope not....their choice), but it STILL doesn't change the fact that your foundation is faulty.

and that's really all this is about.
but you can change that Red, if you choose to.

He doesn't include me with you guys, which is puzzling. I do get to be swine, though, which was made clean. Bacon. I LOVE bacon. Bacon is good on ANYTHING... even ice cream. Pork Praline.

 

[Abiding]

go for it bro

 

[1still_waters]

I'll take 1000 years as literal in the figurative laden apocalyptic section of Revelation, when you decide to take near/soon/at hand (spoken to the first century Christians) as literal in the more literal epistle parts of Revelation. K?

 

[Red33]

whatever you lay out will be the same as you've already done: through the dispensational lens. but please do so.
if refutation by exegesis is spurning and belittling you have a problem.

ya....the movie and knock-offs prolly wouldn't be much fun: you've already internalized from the source.

You mean to say that I have been corrupted by dispensational truth and leavened by its doctrine concerning Christ and the church. Do you even have a capacity to pray that God would use me or those that have the same conviction (2Tim 2:19-21) to go in all the world and preach the gospel? You probably believe that the gospel we would preach is tainted and without the power of God and that it would convey a wrong understanding of God's plan and perfect will for the church and body of Christ. Your prayer life must be hindered toward guys like me that believe the way we do. Could you lay your life down and believe the best for those who have convictions that you despise? If what we believe is evil to you then certainly we must think evil in our heart and live by evil convictions as we ascribe them to God's inspired word.

 

[zone]

You mean to say that <snip: what i believe and teach> has been corrupted by dispensational <snip: lies> and leavened by its doctrine concerning Christ and the church.

intrepret what you think i 'mean to say' if you want to.
i'll fix it.

Do you even have a capacity to pray that God would use me or those that have the same conviction (2Tim 2:19-21) to go in all the world and preach the gospel?

which gospel?

You probably believe that the gospel we would preach is tainted and without the power of God and that it would convey a wrong understanding of God's plan and perfect will for the church and body of Christ.

dispensationalism does "convey a wrong understanding of God's plan and perfect will for the church and body of Christ"

Your prayer life must be hindered toward guys like me that believe the way we do..

why "must" it?

Could you lay your life down and <snip: pray for> the best for those who have convictions that you <snip: refuse to affirm as biblical truth>?

if you mean lay down my life at the barrel of a gun, that depends.

in the present spiritual sense, i do it everyday. you just don't see it.

If what we believe is evil to you then certainly we must think evil in our heart and live by evil convictions as we ascribe them to God's inspired word.

no, i think you're deceived and deceiving.
that's what you were taught and by golly, you're sticking with it.
you might come around.

i do admit i can't stand what is "ascribed to God's inspired word" - it isn't in there.

 

[Red33]

Oh so thats why you dont lay it out? your afraid of zones response?
Tell me then. What did Paul say about the rapture or millenium,
or Peter about the rapture or millenium? Or Jesus. Or Titus, Jude, John..........

If you think I live in fear of Zone that would be a snare (Prov 29:25). I believe that God and His word can be trusted without having to fear any man or any woman for that matter. Many have already brought all of these positions out scripturally and otherwise on the table and they have been excessively repudiated and mocked by those that despise dispensational truth no matter what kind of merits have been afforded to this system of rightly dividing the word of truth.

Amillennialist are diametrically opposed to any position taken by those who adhere to dispensation truth as a way to understanding the workings of God with man and with His elect in relationship to Israel and the church throughout the ages. Is it fruitless to debate these positions even though the scriptures convey the absolute truth that every believer can be edified and convinced of in their mind and heart.

Those that want to put themselves and the church in the tribulation period, do so to their own chagrin, even though they, as God's redeemed, will have a glad surprise when they are raised up to meet the Lord in the air before the great tribulation comes upon the earth. They may not acknowledge that to be the truth presently but they will have no options when it happens, and will become the very evidence that reveals the error of their way of understanding.