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I can tell you in great detail how God's spoken word became flesh. You will reject it because you don't understand it; which is what you're saying someone else ought not do.
Briefly... The spoken word is comprised of two parts; rhema and logos. Rhema is the subject matter spoken ABOUT; logos is the thought AND speaking forth OF that subject matter. God's Rhema is the entirety of His own Divine self being pondered; God's Logos is the eternal external expression of that Rhema subject matter. God, by His breath (Spirit), spoke forth the complete substance and identity of His OWN self; which also brought forth the created realm in which the Logos would be embodied in a man by divine procreation. When Mary's faith-substance believed the Rhema-content substance spoken to her by the angel, the power of the Most High overshadowed Mary and the uncreated life of God's Logos was joined to Mary's ova and implanted in her womb.
The Transcendent God spoke forth the substance and identity of Himself to be believed by the faith-substance of the Virgin; thus becoming an Immanent Man with a human spirit-soul in a body. Yet His soul was propagated by God as His Father. Once spoken, the Logos divided-asunder God's vivifying Spirit from His Soul (Self) to indwell the Son and, ultimately, believing mankind. The Transcendent God spoke forth the divine substance and identity of Himself to be embodied as an Immanent Man. Two realms... One "Who". The Son inherited all that is the Father's, including His Soul and Spirit.
Jesus is the complete tangible, now glorified, embodiment of God's intangible substance and identity; and is the finite point of presence for His omnipresence. The image of the invisible God.
God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity.
Briefly... The spoken word is comprised of two parts; rhema and logos. Rhema is the subject matter spoken ABOUT; logos is the thought AND speaking forth OF that subject matter. God's Rhema is the entirety of His own Divine self being pondered; God's Logos is the eternal external expression of that Rhema subject matter. God, by His breath (Spirit), spoke forth the complete substance and identity of His OWN self; which also brought forth the created realm in which the Logos would be embodied in a man by divine procreation. When Mary's faith-substance believed the Rhema-content substance spoken to her by the angel, the power of the Most High overshadowed Mary and the uncreated life of God's Logos was joined to Mary's ova and implanted in her womb.
The Transcendent God spoke forth the substance and identity of Himself to be believed by the faith-substance of the Virgin; thus becoming an Immanent Man with a human spirit-soul in a body. Yet His soul was propagated by God as His Father. Once spoken, the Logos divided-asunder God's vivifying Spirit from His Soul (Self) to indwell the Son and, ultimately, believing mankind. The Transcendent God spoke forth the divine substance and identity of Himself to be embodied as an Immanent Man. Two realms... One "Who". The Son inherited all that is the Father's, including His Soul and Spirit.
Jesus is the complete tangible, now glorified, embodiment of God's intangible substance and identity; and is the finite point of presence for His omnipresence. The image of the invisible God.
God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity.
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The pharisees had jesus right in front of them telling them the truth in plain words. They called that heresy as well. With any comments from anyone on this site you have to try it by the spirit. You have to listen to god not people. And sometimes that means stepping away from everything you have been taught or heard. 20 years of bible school can't make you an expert on god. I won't argue with people about things not affecting salvation or judge based on personal opiniin. Bottom line it don't matter if we know the answer to this question we will know someday. A question was presented and an answer given. Those who don't accept it, fine then don't. If your not a bible scholar and a certain answer bears witness with you fine. Christians should be working together teaching and lifting each other up not persecuting each other. Churchs drive people away for that reason. People no longer fear god they fear people and their judgements.
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It is absolutely fallacious to conclude that because the term "Trinity" is not found in the pages of Scripture that it must not be true. No where in Scripture do the words, "Bible," "monotheist," "omnipresent," "omnipotent," "omniscient" appear, so then obviously by the same rule of thumb God is not all-powerful, the "Bible" can't be true, nor is Monotheism for that matter. The sign of a failed argument is its inconsistency.
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Depends on the fidelity of your translation, I suppose. For example, bible is a loanword from the Greek biblia. Omnipotence is a Latin version of the Greek pantokrator. Omniscience is another Latin word. 1 John says that God is all knowing; more accurately, it describes God as "know<ing> all things." It's not a single adjective, granted.
Etc. At best, we can conclude that there are no Latin or English words derived from Latin in the scriptures, but in the same way there aren't any Chinese words there either, so this is a little boring.
I conclude, and I don't think it's too heretical, that there's no succinct phrase in the scriptures, call it X, which fits into the analogy "omnipotent is to pantokrator as Trinity is to X." This doesn't mean the Trinity isn't correct, but it explains what a lot of people mean by "the Trinity isn't in scripture."
Etc. At best, we can conclude that there are no Latin or English words derived from Latin in the scriptures, but in the same way there aren't any Chinese words there either, so this is a little boring.
I conclude, and I don't think it's too heretical, that there's no succinct phrase in the scriptures, call it X, which fits into the analogy "omnipotent is to pantokrator as Trinity is to X." This doesn't mean the Trinity isn't correct, but it explains what a lot of people mean by "the Trinity isn't in scripture."
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Well I must say I find this all very interesting. I'v got a few questions for any that wish to give me an answer. For the Jesus Only Brother I ask, "Can one have saving faith & believe in The Trinity?"---"Who spoke from Heaven @ Jesus's baptism?"---"How is it that Jesus will sit down @ The Right Hand of God?"-- How do you see , 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, for that matter, how do you trinitarians see that passage? OK, for you Trinitarians, " Is it possable to be Born Again & hold the Jesus Only Doctrine? I may have more questions later, but that will do for now! In His Love Mark!
when Jesus spoke of His Father, he meant His godly state as it was from the beginning.
Jesus Christ was made a little lower then the angels for a while therefore He left His glory state as Father God and became a servant in flesh form for a while.. Hebrews 2:7 (KJV)
Jesus Christ is God Almighty in flesh form.
Jesus Christ sits on His throne in His glorified bodily form as the father RIGHT NOW. Hebrews 10:12-13 (KJV).. it says on His right hand but that is a sign of authority for there is only one throne and that is the one Christ sits in. His Spirit dwells in His chosen.
Jesus Christ is still God Almighty today. Rev 1:8 (KJV), Rev 1:18 (KJV)
Jesus Christ was made a little lower then the angels for a while therefore He left His glory state as Father God and became a servant in flesh form for a while.. Hebrews 2:7 (KJV)
Jesus Christ is God Almighty in flesh form.
Jesus Christ sits on His throne in His glorified bodily form as the father RIGHT NOW. Hebrews 10:12-13 (KJV).. it says on His right hand but that is a sign of authority for there is only one throne and that is the one Christ sits in. His Spirit dwells in His chosen.
Jesus Christ is still God Almighty today. Rev 1:8 (KJV), Rev 1:18 (KJV)
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The poster never said, "the Trinity isn't in Scripture," "the Trinity isn't taut in Scripture," or "the Trinity isn't expressed in Scripture." Let me remind you what this individual said, and that is, "No where in Scripture does it say, 'Trinity.'" In your observation you only prove the point that I was attempting to raise, and that is, that although the words "monotheist," "omnipotence," and "Trinity" (which is derived from the Latin "Trinitas"), aren't explicitly spelled out in Scripture, this is not to say that God's omni attributes, and His Triune nature are not taut explicitly in the Scripture.
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[FONT="]Byblos[/FONT][FONT="], the inner core of the papyrus plant which Egyptians used to make parchment, is the Semitic word from which the English term “Bible” is derived, and later became known as biblos by the Greeks. You seem to be blurring the line of distinction here between the word “biblos” as it was known, and “Bible” as it is commonly known today. Although the term is mentioned from which the word “Bible” is derived, you seem to be taking the English word “Bible” as we know of it and define it today, that is, the contents of Old and New Testament, and importing it back into the word from which it is derived that means no more than “papyrus,” “book,” or “scroll,” and was commonly used of any form of writing [/FONT][FONT="](Acts 19:19; Matthew 19:7).
[/FONT] [FONT="]So the point remains that nowhere in the Old Testament are the sacred writings ever referred to as what we commonly call today, “the Holy Bible,” “Holy Books,” “the sacred Books,” but more importantly, nor does the New Testament. Rather, [/FONT][FONT="]Christ and His apostles often times referred to the writings of the Old Testament as the[/FONT][FONT="]γραφή (“Scripture”), and γράμμα (“writings”),[/FONT]
“and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings (γράμμα
which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”
“And again another Scripture (γραφή says, ‘THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED.’"
which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” “And again another Scripture (γραφή
says, ‘THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED.’"
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[FONT="]How can Trinitarianism and Oneness concepts be false for the "very same reason," when they don't even believe the very same thing? Trinitarians affirm that Jesus is not the Father, but by His instrinsic nature is equal to the Father.
Prior to the incarnation, that is, before the birth at Bethlehem, Christ did not have a beginning, rather, He pre-existed (John 1:29-30, 8:23, 8:58) from eternity at the side of the Father [FONT="][not "as the Father"] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT="](John 1:1-14, John 17:5), where He participated in the Genesis creation as co-creator (John 1:3, 10). And John not only depicts Christ in such ways, but also ascribes to Him the very titles, "God" (John 1:1, 18; 20:28), "the Alpha and the Omega" (Revelation 22:13), "the First and the Last" (Revelation 2:8, 22:13), "the Beginning and the End" (Revelation 3:14, 22:13), who just so happens to also be the recipient of prayer (John 14:14; 1 John 5:10-15; Revelation 22:20-21), which in its highest sense is a form of worship. We are not only told that the Father raised Christ from the dead, but that the Son Himself was also active in the participation of His own physical resurrection (John 2:19, 10:17-18).
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Prior to the incarnation, that is, before the birth at Bethlehem, Christ did not have a beginning, rather, He pre-existed (John 1:29-30, 8:23, 8:58) from eternity at the side of the Father [FONT="][not "as the Father"] [/FONT][/FONT][FONT="](John 1:1-14, John 17:5), where He participated in the Genesis creation as co-creator (John 1:3, 10). And John not only depicts Christ in such ways, but also ascribes to Him the very titles, "God" (John 1:1, 18; 20:28), "the Alpha and the Omega" (Revelation 22:13), "the First and the Last" (Revelation 2:8, 22:13), "the Beginning and the End" (Revelation 3:14, 22:13), who just so happens to also be the recipient of prayer (John 14:14; 1 John 5:10-15; Revelation 22:20-21), which in its highest sense is a form of worship. We are not only told that the Father raised Christ from the dead, but that the Son Himself was also active in the participation of His own physical resurrection (John 2:19, 10:17-18).
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