Choosing A Denomination.

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Jan 18, 2011
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Really?? Maybe I just went on a weird day then. I accompanied my friend to church one day, and they were teaching right out of the Gospel. Is that out of the ordinary for the Catholic church?
They believe in their interpretation of the Bible, as do the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesesses. However, just like the Mormons, they also believe in much, much more. This comes from tradition and church authority. Church authority holds the ultimate authority for doctrine, including the interpretation of the Bible (as in Mormonism).
 
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LovesBrokenDream

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Nope, it happens at every Mass. Each homily is based on the three readings for that Sunday, one from the OT, one from the NT Epistles, and one from the Gospel. I'm surprised you didn't mention how short the homily was, most Protestants are used to 30 minute to over an hour long sermon; while homilies aren't supposed to be longer than 10 minutes.
I don't think I really noticed. The priest had a really thick accent, so I was trying to focus on deciphering his words. It takes me a while to get used to heavy accents. Mass as a whole felt longer than normal though, so that might also have had something to do with it. I'm just not used to that much structure, not that there's anything wrong with it. It's just not my cup of tea.
 
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I don't think I really noticed. The priest had a really thick accent, so I was trying to focus on deciphering his words. It takes me a while to get used to heavy accents. Mass as a whole felt longer than normal though, so that might also have had something to do with it. I'm just not used to that much structure, not that there's anything wrong with it. It's just not my cup of tea.
Yeah it usually feels a lot longer when you have to worry about what you have to do and when and when you have to say this or that. For Catholics it doesn't feel as long since we pretty much have the whole thing memorized except for the opening and processional hymn.

But I will say Protestant church services seem to take forever for me, since I'm not used to that 45 minute sermon period where all you do is sit. At Mass we're always getting up, sitting back down, making the sign of the cross, singing, and kneeling.
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place for this thread or not, but I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it. If it's the wrong spot, I'm sorry.

Right now, I go to a non-denominational church. I love everything about it! But, I was wondering how important it is to select a denomination for yourself. I'm not even sure which denomination I would fall under, since I've never really studied the differences. Could someone who is well-learned in the denominations give me a brief run-down of the major ones? Thank you! :D

Hello, my denomination is Baptist.
I will say that there are many fine Christian denominations.
Sadly there are also groups that claim to be Christian denominations but are in fact cults.

The list is long, and I will not go into naming them all.

The best advice I could offer is find and attend a Bible believing Church.
A Church where you can develop a solid Biblical foundation.

The Bible alone is the Word of God and Jesus Christ is the only way a person can be Saved.
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place for this thread or not, but I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it. If it's the wrong spot, I'm sorry.

Right now, I go to a non-denominational church. I love everything about it! But, I was wondering how important it is to select a denomination for yourself. I'm not even sure which denomination I would fall under, since I've never really studied the differences. Could someone who is well-learned in the denominations give me a brief run-down of the major ones? Thank you! :D
lol "non-denominational" churches are becoming a denomination itself.
 
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SantoSubito

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lol "non-denominational" churches are becoming a denomination itself.
Yeah, non-denom churches always make me want to face palm when they try to claim they aren't a denomination. LifeChurch,tv churches around here will claim they're not a denomination, when they are a group of churches that affiliate with a central leadership and other like-minded churches. And that sounds like the definition of a denomination f you ask me.
 
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"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." (Catechism of the Catholic Church #841)

Muslims are adherents to a false religion, Islam, and worship a false God, Allah. They believe that Jesus was created from the dust and deny that he is the Son of God, and in doing so, they deny the Son. Scripture says,

23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:23)

10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. (1 John 5:10)

Denying the Son, they don't have the Father either. There is no salvation in Islam. Jesus said,

6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (John 14:6)

Jesus says that no one comes to the Father except through him. Catholics say that Muslims come to the Father some other way than Christ (through a false God, Allah, no less!). Attributing salvation to Muslims makes makes the Catholics way very broad indeed, as Jesus warned,

13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)

This broad way found in Catholic doctrine leads only to destruction.
When you don't rip #841 out of context with the whole discussion is says nothing of the sort.

* 839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."[325] The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,[326] "the first to hear the Word of God."[327] The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",[328] "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."[329]
* 840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
* 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]
* 842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race: All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .[331]
* 843 "The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as 'a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.'

In other words Muslims can be saved if they have had zero exposure to the Gospel, and therefore have not had the chance to accept or reject it. #841 is not saying that Muslims are saved regardless of their exposure to and rejection of the Gospel.

This is of course in addition to a large number of other false teachings including purgatory, Mary worship, worship of saints (prayer to saints), idolatry, a false gospel, and doctrines of demons (abstaining from foods and forbidding to marry, 1 Timothy 4:1-3).

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)
Been discussed ad nauseam in other threads.
 
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When you don't rip #841 out of context with the whole discussion is says nothing of the sort.
Unfortunately, that's clearly not the case. The context simply perpetuates and expounds upon the same unbiblical teaching found in #841.

* 839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."[325] The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,[326] "the first to hear the Word of God."[327] The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",[328] "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."[329]
* 840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
* 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]
* 842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race: All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .[331]
* 843 "The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as 'a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.'

In other words Muslims can be saved if they have had zero exposure to the Gospel, and therefore have not had the chance to accept or reject it. #841 is not saying that Muslims are saved regardless of their exposure to and rejection of the Gospel.
God has already shown them what may be known of Him. His invisible attributes, eternal power, and Godhead are clearly seen, so that they are without excuse. Although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, but instead suppressed the truth in unrighteousness, glorifying a false god, Allah, and their foolish hearts were darkened (Romans 1:18-21).

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. (Romans 1:18-21)

Therefore, all Muslims have denied God and rejected Christ (just as all men do in their sin). The Bible does not teach this Catholic notion that sinful man can somehow be in an innocent state of ignorant neutrality. Instead, it has this to say about the unbelieving (Muslims, who are also liars and idolaters):

8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

Contrary to what the false teachers in the Catholic Church would have you believe, all Muslims have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death (Revelation 21:8).

Been discussed ad nauseam in other threads.
There's no need to discuss it. I was just pointing out a few among the multitudes of the Catholic Church's extra-biblical doctrines.
 
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simply be a woman who loves and lives for Jesus... disregard the denominations.

denominations are pointless.
all that matters is loving the Lord and walking with Him :)
 
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Denominations are not scriptural as such .. so just find a bible teaching church that is simple and loving ... Go before God and He will lead you to the place He would like you to be a blessing to. We are the church .. Christ Followers.
 
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Okay, thanks guys!

If it's possible, this thread can be closed now. :)
 
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Choose Catholic :D Original is best ;)
 
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In other words Muslims can be saved if they have had zero exposure to the Gospel, and therefore have not had the chance to accept or reject it. #841 is not saying that Muslims are saved regardless of their exposure to and rejection of the Gospel.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)
 

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true originals always come with proof of authenticity... :p
Well, the canon of Scripture came about as a result of the Holy Spirit working through a Catholic council. Is that good enough?
 
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Well, the canon of Scripture came about as a result of the Holy Spirit working through a Catholic council. Is that good enough?
that's a cute myth but it didn't actually happen that way...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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You sure? Because it's pretty well fact.
yes i am sure...

the council you are referring to is probably the council of hippo in AD 393...

this was not an ecumenical council...so it was not binding on the entire church... in fact the two later councils at carthage only agreed to ratify the canon endorsed at hippo pending its acceptance by the rest of the christian church...which never took place...

also the councils at hippo and carthage were under the authority of augustine of hippo...who regarded the canon as -already- established... in other words the councils were only putting in writing what they thought everyone already knew...so they -didn't- actually create the biblical canon there...

finally the latin vulgate was already being translated before those councils took place...and jerome's work presupposed a canon identical to the jewish and protestant old testament canons...