Question about tribulation

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Heriberto777

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Is it possible to know the year of the tribulation and the month of tribulation?
 
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longie

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The Tribulation will take place after the rapture-and only God himself knows that time.
 
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Even if one does know, it would be a sin to state it. It IS always possible for GOD to repent of the evil that He thought to bring upon us, IF WE repent.

The ONLY thing that Christ stated would make Him happy, Is IF He were to return and find the Fire/Truth already kindled.

A kindling isn't much of a Fire, but its a start; depending on how good or bad this Fire/Truth gets, WILL have a bearing on whether GOD stops it as written; stops it early; or delays stopping it.I think it IS up to the labourers and how much they are able to bear.

Seems like almost every religious beleiver, though they don't deny The Holy Spirit, they certainly have no idea who SHE IS.

I sure wouldn't want to face The Son and look Him in the eye, and say, But i thought your Love was Gay/Solo? Oh and by the way, aren't you your own Granpa? :D

What you can KNOW is the times and the seasons that are written in Mark 13 and Mattew 24 for a couple of places of referance.

Don't worry you won't miss it, it IS prophesied to be the Greatest Show to ever hit the earth since flesh began. Just don't get your 666 and 777 mixed up and you will be fine; IF you trust The Father in and through HIS PLAN of Salvation, CHRIST. Gen: 1/3 to Rev: 20/9. And then comes Big Daddy Love; "and Fire came down from Heaven"

A LAKE OF FIRE :eek::eek::(:):D:cool:

GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION/BABYLON

(The season it ALL goes down IS from PassOver to Thankgiving/Christs Birthday/Harvest Time of the Souls)

Forever in Christ
 
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Is it possible to know the year of the tribulation and the month of tribulation?
Shalom, scripture gives us an idea of when the tribulation will start, we can easily know what year and possibly what month. Daniel 9:27 along with a couple others give that. It says he (anti-christ) will make a covenant for one week, which in the hebrew is 7 yrs. In the middle of that week he will bring an abomination of desolation into the temple. So just from that verse alone, we know that in the middle of the 7 yr. covenant is when the actual tribulation period will start. Also rev. 13, Daniel 12, so on. talk about times, time and half a time, being 42 months, 1,260 days which are exactly 3 1/2 yrs.
And be careful about people talking about false raptures, the Bible talks only about His second coming, it says absolutely nothing about Jesus sneaking in to take us. Shalom
 
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Even if one does know, it would be a sin to state it.
Where do you get that it would be a sin to state anything about when trib. starts?
 
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The Tribulation will take place after the rapture-and only God himself knows that time.
Mat 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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Where do you get that it would be a sin to state anything about when trib. starts?
The tribulation goes down exactly as ti is written. To say what year is really just guessing, the season though will be obvious.

As stated in the above post, God can change His mind on what year; depending on the labourers; when He sees that their strength is gone, then He will take over.

The reason The 3 Feasts of The Tabranacle have been kept in ignorance, IS so that when one does learn The Truth, you will know that the reign of instead-of-christ has not only been shortend from 7 years to 3 1/2 years, but it has been shortend again from 3 1/2 years to 5 months, in which instead-of-christ will appear in the middle of the 5 months.

This is why it is referred to as times and seasons; The times are confusing times; The seasons are from Spring to Fall; Pray ye that your flight not be out of season; Harvest Time IS NOT in the middle of summer; that would be the wrong season, and might as well be the middle of winter for the cold shoulder you WILL get for worshipping the wrong Christ :eek:

Forever in Christ :)
 
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The tribulation goes down exactly as ti is written. To say what year is really just guessing, the season though will be obvious.

As stated in the above post, God can change His mind on what year; depending on the labourers; when He sees that their strength is gone, then He will take over.


The reason The 3 Feasts of The Tabranacle have been kept in ignorance, IS so that when one does learn The Truth, you will know that the reign of instead-of-christ has not only been shortend from 7 years to 3 1/2 years, but it has been shortend again from 3 1/2 years to 5 months, in which instead-of-christ will appear in the middle of the 5 months.

This is why it is referred to as times and seasons; The times are confusing times; The seasons are from Spring to Fall; Pray ye that your flight not be out of season; Harvest Time IS NOT in the middle of summer; that would be the wrong season, and might as well be the middle of winter for the cold shoulder you WILL get for worshipping the wrong Christ :eek:
It's still not a sin to say when tribulation will start, once the 7 yr. covenant begins. Because until it begins, no one will know when trib. will start. And what are the 5 months you are talking about?
 
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It's still not a sin to say when tribulation will start, once the 7 yr. covenant begins. Because until it begins, no one will know when trib. will start. And what are the 5 months you are talking about?
Well i agree that it is not a sin to point out the season; however the year is a different story, as anybody that has, has been made a fool of, just like God said He would.

The 5 months run from Passover/Spring to (now you've gone and :eek: me as i don't recall the Jewish term for Yeshua's Birthday) but to Thankgiving/Fall/Harvest Time of The Souls.

I personally am unaware of a 7 year Covenant other than the original 7 years prophesied to be the time of instead-of-christs reign;that was shortend to 3 1/2 and down from there to 5 months.

We are to Run to the Hills in the middle of the 5 months, at the appearance of instead-of-christ; with the elderly sick and lame; or into the wilderness just like the examples set forth by both Moses & Christ.

WE are to NOT look back at the Greater Miricales that instead-of christ will be performing, as set forth in the example by Lot's wife, but to simply turn our backs and caravan into the wilderness to receive The Greater Healings.

The appearance of instead-of-christ IS the Begining of The Day of Jacob's Trouble or The Night of The Lord, It IS a 10 Day Tribulation as OUR Father has ALWAY"S promised US, that I WILL NOT put you's through more than 10 Days of ANY tribulation, without giving us a breather or rest.

For those of us that head to the wilderness (local park/not a so-called church building) WE will be doing nothing more than demonstrating a gueniune act of caring for one another by helping the elderly, sick and lame get to the park/wilderness.(staying in the feild doing The Fathers Will)

This is also The Night that we can do No Real Work (witnessing Truth) as this is the first division of the people. BUT my mom, dad, sister, brother, relative or freind just went the other way :eek:

Its OK relax; We are not going to receive these Greater Healings for nothing; But after we are Healed both physically & spiritualy (litterally circumcised from the flesh; though still in it) GOD is going to send US out on a 40 Day march, to be nothing more than flesh vessels for The Holy Spirit to speak through; " for it would a sin to pre-meditate what ye would say; rather it shall be given you in that hour what ye shall say"

GOD NEVER GIVES UP AS EASY AS MAN.

Forever in Christ :)
 
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Shalom, scripture gives us an idea of when the tribulation will start, we can easily know what year and possibly what month. Daniel 9:27 along with a couple others give that. It says he (anti-christ) will make a covenant for one week, which in the hebrew is 7 yrs. In the middle of that week he will bring an abomination of desolation into the temple. So just from that verse alone, we know that in the middle of the 7 yr. covenant is when the actual tribulation period will start. Also rev. 13, Daniel 12, so on. talk about times, time and half a time, being 42 months, 1,260 days which are exactly 3 1/2 yrs.
And be careful about people talking about false raptures, the Bible talks only about His second coming, it says absolutely nothing about Jesus sneaking in to take us. Shalom
Daniel 9 has been fulfilled it is a prophecy about Christ

[FONT=&quot]City and People[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“Restore and build Jerusalem” (457 BC)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“seven weeks”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“the street shall be built again, and the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]wall, even in troublous times”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“the people of the Prince that shall come[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]shall destroy the city and the sanctuary[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and the end thereof shall be with a flood”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Messiah the Prince[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“Messiah the Prince”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“threescore and two Weeks”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“after threescore and two weeks shall[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Messiah be cut off”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“He [the Prince] shall confirm the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]covenant with many for one week: and[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]in the midst of the week he shall cause[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In verse 26, after Messiah was cut off, Jerusalem was destroyed. And in verse 27, Jerusalem was destroyed after the Prince caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease! The critical question at this juncture is, does the New Testament shed any light on how the destiny of the Messiah is linked to the fate of the second city and temple? The answer is a resounding yes![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Of particular significance is the parable of Matthew 21:33-44 where Jesus reviewed the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]history of Israel in five stages:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # 1[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: God sent servants to Israel to gather fruit in harvest season but Israel rejected[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]God’s messengers (verses 34-35).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # 2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: God then sent more servants and Israel did the same with them (verse 36).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # [/FONT][FONT=&quot]3: God then sent them His own Son and they killed Him (verses 37-39).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: The wicked men who killed the Son were destroyed (verse 41)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # 5[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: The kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles (verse 43; Acts[/FONT][FONT=&quot]13:46-47).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]These five stages of Israel’s history as described in Matthew 21:33-44 parallel very closely the same stages of Israel’s history as described in Daniel 9:[/FONT]

Daniel9:25-27
(25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the
Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince (Israel) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And
he (Messiah) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Messiah) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he(Messiah) shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What is the covenant in verse 27?
Daniel 9:4
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping
the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Jeremiah 38:17-18, 23
(17) Then said Jeremiah unto Zedekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of hosts, the God of Israel; If thou wilt assuredly go forth unto the king of Babylon's princes, then thy soul shall live, and this city shall not be burned with fire; and thou shalt live, and thine house:
(18) But if thou wilt not go forth to the king of Babylon's princes, then shall this city be given into the hand of the Chaldeans, and
they shall burn it with fire, and thou shalt not escape out of their hand.
(23) So they shall bring out all thy wives and thy children to the Chaldeans: and thou shalt not escape out of their hand, but shalt be taken by the hand of the king of Babylon: and
thou shalt cause this city to be burned with fire.

[FONT=&quot]Because of the sins of Israel God allowed Jerusalem to be destroyed by Babylon and because of the sins of Israel in rejecting Christ God allowed Jerusalem to be destroyed in 70 AD[/FONT]
 
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There will be a resurrection of the saints,for the Bible says we will be caught up in the air to meet Jesus,and so we shall be with the Lord forever,and in Zechariah 14,it says when God comes to fight the world that fought against Israel,that the saints are with Him,which is in Revelation 19,when Jesus comes back the saints who are in heaven come back with Him,in which God said He will step on the Mount of Olives,in which Jesus said when He comes back He will step on the Mount of Olives.

But this resurrection does not happen before the tribulation,for the Bible says that the saints will not be united with Jesus until the antichrist steps in to the Jews temple claiming to be God,and the beast makes war against the saints,and the saints are given in to the little horn's hand for three and one half years,and the last king will destroy the mighty and holy people.

The truth is as long as the world can repent of their sins,they can be saved,and as long as the world can be saved,God will not take home His children.
The world can repent of their sins until they take the mark of the beast.
God will not give up on the world until they give up on Him.When the world takes the mark and makes war against the saints,which the Bible says the last king will cast the truth to the ground and stamp upon it,and the beast blasphemes against God and His tabernacle,then the world wants nothing to do with God,and God can take His children home.

Then the wrath of God will be poured upon the world,and God will come back with His saints and save Israel,and all Gentile governments will not be in operation anymore,but the kingdom will be restored to Israel,which the Bible says all Israel shall be saved,but that is the kingdom on earth,for all Israel is not saved spiritually.

That is true that we will know when the tribulation will start by the 7 years peace treaty,for three and one half years after the signing of the peace treaty,the man of sin will step in the Jews temple and claim to be their God,which then will be persecution against the saints like never has been before.
 
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Well i agree that it is not a sin to point out the season; however the year is a different story, as anybody that has, has been made a fool of, just like God said He would.

The 5 months run from Passover/Spring to (now you've gone and :eek: me as i don't recall the Jewish term for Yeshua's Birthday) but to Thankgiving/Fall/Harvest Time of The Souls.

I personally am unaware of a 7 year Covenant other than the original 7 years prophesied to be the time of instead-of-christs reign;that was shortend to 3 1/2 and down from there to 5 months.

We are to Run to the Hills in the middle of the 5 months, at the appearance of instead-of-christ; with the elderly sick and lame; or into the wilderness just like the examples set forth by both Moses & Christ.

WE are to NOT look back at the Greater Miricales that instead-of christ will be performing, as set forth in the example by Lot's wife, but to simply turn our backs and caravan into the wilderness to receive The Greater Healings.

The appearance of instead-of-christ IS the Begining of The Day of Jacob's Trouble or The Night of The Lord, It IS a 10 Day Tribulation as OUR Father has ALWAY"S promised US, that I WILL NOT put you's through more than 10 Days of ANY tribulation, without giving us a breather or rest.

For those of us that head to the wilderness (local park/not a so-called church building) WE will be doing nothing more than demonstrating a gueniune act of caring for one another by helping the elderly, sick and lame get to the park/wilderness.(staying in the feild doing The Fathers Will)

This is also The Night that we can do No Real Work (witnessing Truth) as this is the first division of the people. BUT my mom, dad, sister, brother, relative or freind just went the other way :eek:

Its OK relax; We are not going to receive these Greater Healings for nothing; But after we are Healed both physically & spiritualy (litterally circumcised from the flesh; though still in it) GOD is going to send US out on a 40 Day march, to be nothing more than flesh vessels for The Holy Spirit to speak through; " for it would a sin to pre-meditate what ye would say; rather it shall be given you in that hour what ye shall say"

GOD NEVER GIVES UP AS EASY AS MAN.

Forever in Christ :)
The More Children The Merrier/ Ephriam, the Youngest and The Most children of YAH/I AM. IN HIS WILL. Thats That (amen)


PSALMS 108/8

GILEAD IS MINE; MANNASAH IS MINE; E-PHRIAM ALSO IS THE STRENGTH OF MY HEAD; JUDAH/PRAISE IS MY LAWGIVER.

Judah, though they be twice the whore as Israel; Salvation shall be through the Jews/Praiser's of Life & Love

Forever in Christ :)



Forever in Christ :)
 
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Shalom Laodicea, you have good points, the only problem is Yeshua didn't come to put a stop to sacrifice and offering, nor did He do so. The only thing He Fulfilled was sacrifice for sin unto death. Sacrifice and offering continued until the temple was destroyed, otherwise they would still be happening today. Acts 21:17-26 (which comes from Torah Numbers 6:1-10) Paul does the Nazarite vow which requires sacrifice and offering. Ez. 45:18-25, Zechariah 14:21, are just some scriptures that show us in millennial reign these things will be restored.
 
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No one can know when the tribulation will start until the 7 yr. covenant has begun. The problem that some people have (Camping) is trying to date set the return of Yeshua, which scripture is so clear about that no one knows but only the Father. Why these people ignore this is beyond me and if they continue they will continue to look ashamed. What's even worse is those who follow these people, this gives the true version of someone who doesn't study to show themself approved. I don't care how good it sounds or how convincing someone is, we should NEVER just take someones word when it comes to scripture. We should always go and study it out for ourselves, so we are not ashamed as well. Shalom
 
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Shalom Laodicea, you have good points, the only problem is Yeshua didn't come to put a stop to sacrifice and offering, nor did He do so. The only thing He Fulfilled was sacrifice for sin unto death. Sacrifice and offering continued until the temple was destroyed, otherwise they would still be happening today. Acts 21:17-26 (which comes from Torah Numbers 6:1-10) Paul does the Nazarite vow which requires sacrifice and offering. Ez. 45:18-25, Zechariah 14:21, are just some scriptures that show us in millennial reign these things will be restored.
When Jesus died He said "It is finished" and the vail of the tenple was rent in two from top to bottom, signifying the end of the earthly sanctuary
 
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When Jesus died He said "It is finished" and the vail of the tenple was rent in two from top to bottom, signifying the end of the earthly sanctuary
When Yeshua said it is finished, it was about there is no more sacrifice for sin unto death, and it is finished, restoring us back to Him. Remember, YHVH divorced us because of our idolatry, spiritual adultery. The punishment for spiritual adultery is death, and (I know you already know this) Yeshua took that punishment for us. But all the rest still remains and will be reinstituted when He returns. Did you get the chance to read those scriptures I gave you? Shalom
 
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There will be a resurrection of the saints,for the Bible says we will be caught up in the air to meet Jesus,and so we shall be with the Lord forever,and in Zechariah 14,it says when God comes to fight the world that fought against Israel,that the saints are with Him,which is in Revelation 19,when Jesus comes back the saints who are in heaven come back with Him,in which God said He will step on the Mount of Olives,in which Jesus said when He comes back He will step on the Mount of Olives.

But this resurrection does not happen before the tribulation,for the Bible says that the saints will not be united with Jesus until the antichrist steps in to the Jews temple claiming to be God,and the beast makes war against the saints,and the saints are given in to the little horn's hand for three and one half years,and the last king will destroy the mighty and holy people.

The truth is as long as the world can repent of their sins,they can be saved,and as long as the world can be saved,God will not take home His children.
The world can repent of their sins until they take the mark of the beast.
God will not give up on the world until they give up on Him.When the world takes the mark and makes war against the saints,which the Bible says the last king will cast the truth to the ground and stamp upon it,and the beast blasphemes against God and His tabernacle,then the world wants nothing to do with God,and God can take His children home.

Then the wrath of God will be poured upon the world,and God will come back with His saints and save Israel,and all Gentile governments will not be in operation anymore,but the kingdom will be restored to Israel,which the Bible says all Israel shall be saved,but that is the kingdom on earth,for all Israel is not saved spiritually.

That is true that we will know when the tribulation will start by the 7 years peace treaty,for three and one half years after the signing of the peace treaty,the man of sin will step in the Jews temple and claim to be their God,which then will be persecution against the saints like never has been before.

A really good post until the last paragraph. It should be noted that the Antichrist will profess to be God thus stopping the temple sacrifices by force and set up some kind of idol which he will force all to worship. You can bet that the Jews aren't going to be happy about this at all. Thus Jews and Christians will face persecution in these days resulting in the conversion of many Jews to Christianity once they realize that such prophecy had been given and fulfilled in the New Testament. In turn, this will fulfill Paul's prophecy in Romans 11 that the residents of Israel will be saved.
 
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When Yeshua said it is finished, it was about there is no more sacrifice for sin unto death, and it is finished, restoring us back to Him. Remember, YHVH divorced us because of our idolatry, spiritual adultery. The punishment for spiritual adultery is death, and (I know you already know this) Yeshua took that punishment for us. But all the rest still remains and will be reinstituted when He returns. Did you get the chance to read those scriptures I gave you? Shalom
Do you know that the Jews call Daniel 9 the cursed chapter? They have cut it out, they know it speaks of Christ.
 
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Do you know that the Jews call Daniel 9 the cursed chapter? They have cut it out, they know it speaks of Christ.
I've had many discussions with hebrew orthodox and other about end times, and in Israel, and have never heard that. Do you have any articles on this?