Gospel true message from God

[truthfull]

I believe and follow only the Gospel to be the true message of God, some believe the Letters from paul are, and others believe the whole Bible is the Word of God.
(prophetic books like daniel,revelations,isaiah etc. excluded)

the bible (Biblia meaning library of many books).

paul said:
romans 16: 25 Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim ...

jesus said:
matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Saint paul said:
1Tim.5
[17] Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching;
1Cor.9
[11] If we have sown spiritual good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits?


jesus said:
Matt 10
[8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.
Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink...

SAINT Paul says:
1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors (shepherds) and teachers,


Jesus says:
Matt.23
[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
[8] But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.
[10] Neither be called teacher, or leaders, for u have one leader, the Christ

SAINT paul said:
rom 7

[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.

jesus said:
Matt.19
[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.


Jesus over himself:
Which of you convicts me of sin?

Saint paul over himself: sinner or saint?
"I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do -- this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. romans 7:18

21.I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. romans 7: 21


can a blind man lead a blind? they will both fall
what would Paul say if he sees people today have made him a Saint?


in the Gospel ive read that woman and men could ask/speak to Jesus.

Paul said
timothy 2:11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.


I dont say that Paul was a bad man, but he was a evangelist with his ups and downs
youre opinion on following the gospel or letters from paul or Moses or all.

please do not attack at being christian or not, thats not the topic here
for being a christian you have to follow Christ and not paul, right?

 

[mpaper345]

I believe and follow only the Gospel to be the true message of God, some believe the Letters from paul are, and others believe the whole Bible is the Word of God.
(prophetic books like daniel,revelations,isaiah etc. excluded)

the bible (Biblia meaning library of many books).

paul said:
romans 16: 25 Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim ...

jesus said:
matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ(Galatians 1:11-12).


Paul said that he did not receive the Gospel from any man,including himself,but was taught by Jesus Himself.Paul acknowledged that it is the Gospel of Christ. Paul said if he preaches another Gospel other than the Gospel of Christ let him be accursed,which he would not do but stating a point.Only go by the Gospel of Christ.


12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name(1 Corinthians 1:12-15).


Paul even made it a point not to say you are of Paul or anyone else,but Christ is not divided,and follow Christ and His teachings.


1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ(1 Corinthians 11:4).


Paul said follow me,for I follow Christ and His teachings.



Paul followed Jesus and was taught of Jesus,and preached the Gospel of Christ,and none of his own teachings.


When Paul said,my Gospel,he did not mean that he was preaching his own teachings,but that he was teaching the Gospel of Christ,which is his Gospel.


The Gospel of Christ is Paul's Gospel.


The Gospel of Christ is my Gospel,for I follow the Gospel of Christ.


Like Jesus is my Lord,but if I say my Lord it does not mean I follow a different Lord because I did not say my Lord Jesus.


25 Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ(Romans 16:25).


You see after Paul said my Gospel,that the message is about Jesus Christ,so Paul's Gospel is Christ's Gospel.



Saint paul said:

1Tim.5
[17] Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching;
1Cor.9
[11] If we have sown spiritual good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits?


jesus said:
Matt 10
[8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.
Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink...


7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content(1 Timothy 6:7-8).


Paul said having food and clothing be content.


13Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality(Romans 12:13).


Paul said the saints should help out the saints with their needs.


16For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.
17Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account(Philippians 4:16-17).



Paul said that those in Thessalonica sent Paul things for his needs,like food and clothing,and Paul said that he did not desire anything from them,but he wanted them to profit by helping him out with his needs,food and clothing,which is pleasing to the Lord.


So we see that Paul only went by his needs,food and clothing,and not material things,and did not want anything from any saint,but wanted them to help him with his needs,if he had needs,because it would be profitable for them,because they will find favor in God's eyes.


When the Bible says the elders are worthy of double honor,it means to honor him for being an elder,and give him respect.



SAINT Paul says:

1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors (shepherds) and teachers,


Jesus says:
Matt.23
[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
[8] But you are not to be called rabbi, for you haveone teacher, and you are allbrethren.
[10] Neither be called teacher, or leaders, for u have one leader, the Christ.

13I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. 14I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one(1 John 2:13-14).


Jesus said to not call any man on earth father in a spiritual sense,like the Pope for example,or a priest,who takes on the title of father.


John called those that are very knowledgeable in the word,fathers.


Paul did not take on the title of father like the Pope,or a priest,but was saying that he taught the people the Gospel of Christ,meaning has begotten them because they listened to Paul to follow Christ.


Paul is saying that he taught them the Gospel of Christ,and they followed it,which father can refer to the maturity of a saint,but he did not take on the title of father,and Paul did not want anybody to call him father.


Paul did not want to be addressed as father,for that is only reserved for God,but was talking of his maturity in the word of God that he taught others.



SAINT paul said:
rom 7

[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.

jesus said:
Matt.19
[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.

Paul is not talking about the life that Jesus gives in Romans chapter 7,but is talking about the 10 commandments of the law,trying to live up to them without Christ,that they are death to him because he cannot live up to them while in the flesh.

Paul is pointing out that the 10 commandments are good,and holy,and just,but nobody can live up to them,but only by following Christ,led by the Spirit,can we live up to the law.

This has nothing to do with the promised life that Jesus gives,but it is about the 10 commandments,the law,that is death to a person that tries to live up to them in the flesh.

Paul said the commandment was ordained to life,which means the law is good,and just,and holy,but we are carnal sold under sin,so we cannot live up to the law in the flesh,and Paul said we do not void out the law,but we establish the law,which we can do by the Spirit.

The law in the Old Testament was ordained unto life,but nobody could live up to it being in the flesh,but can live up to it by the Spirit.

Jesus over himself:
Which of you convicts me of sin?

Saint paul over himself: sinner or saint?
"I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do -- this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. romans 7:18

21.I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. romans 7: 21

The Bible says that in the flesh there dwells no good thing.The flesh is always sinful regardless whether a person lives for Jesus or not,and that is why the Bible says the flesh and the Spirit are contrary to each other.

The Bible says that Jesus was tempted in all points as we are,yet without sin.Even the flesh Jesus was in sinful,for it was tempted to do wrong,as any other person,but Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit,so He was always led of the Holy Spirit and could not sin.

When a person lives for Jesus they will still be tempted to sin,and that is why Paul said that when he does good,evil is present with him,because the flesh will still be tempted to do wrong even when we do good.

So Paul said with the mind he serves Christ,but with the flesh the law of sin,not that Paul was sinning,because he said with the mind he serves Christ,but pointing out that the flesh is always sinful and wants to have it's way,even when a person lives for Jesus.

The flesh will always serve the law of sin in every saint,for in the flesh dwells no good thing,and is always sinful no matter if we live for Christ or not,and the flesh and Spirit are contrary to each other,but by the Spirit we can overcome the flesh.

Paul is not saying that he is sinning,but when he does good,the flesh still wants to do wrong,but he does not obey the flesh,but with the mind serves Christ.

can a blind man lead a blind? they will both fall
what would Paul say if he sees people today have made him a Saint?

Paul is a saint of God as all saints,but some people do exalt Paul higher than they should,as they do other people,and some try to exalt Mary higher than they should,which when Jesus was teaching some people,a woman spoke up and said blessed is the woman that gave birth to you,and Jesus said that is not true,but blessed is any person that does the will of God.

Jesus was teaching a crowd,and the disciples spoke up and said,Lord,your mother and brethren are outside the crowd wanting to talk to you,and Jesus said,who is my mother and brethren,and then pointed at His disciples and said,behold My mother and brethren,for whoever does the will of My Father,the same is My mother,brethren,and sisters.

So Jesus put Mary on an equal basis as all saints,but some exalt her higher than they should,and some exalt Paul higher than they should.

But nonetheless,Paul was a saint of God,and he taught only the Gospel of Christ,and only the teachings of Jesus,for he said he was taught by no man,but by Jesus Himself,and even wrote many times,that it is the Gospel of Christ,and the teachings of Jesus.


in the Gospel ive read that woman and men could ask/speak to Jesus.

Of course anybody could speak to Jesus,for He came to the lost sheep of Israel,and not only to men but both men and women.

Paul said
timothy 2:11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.

The Bible says that a man and a woman are equal in the Lord,and that is because in the kingdom of God there is no gender,the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the soul and spirit are the same.

But on earth Paul said for a woman not to speak in Church because they are in the flesh,and God wants things to run smooth,to not have a control war going on between men and women,so the men will lead the Church to settle that.


I dont say that Paul was a bad man, but he was a evangelist with his ups and downs
youre opinion on following the gospel or letters from paul or Moses or all.

please do not attack at being christian or not, thats not the topic here
for being a christian you have to follow Christ and not paul, right?

God bless you,and following Paul's teachings are following Christ's teachings,for Paul was taught of Christ,and some people do not know the Bible well enough to know that Paul was never speaking against Christ's teachings and did not have his own teachings.

Paul just explained things a little deeper,to let us know the importance of living holy,and the sinfulness of the flesh.

 

[Laodicea]

Paul just explained things a little deeper,to let us know the importance of living holy,and the sinfulness of the flesh.

Yes I agree, Paul was a theologian and some things he said are hard to be understood
2 Peter 3:15-16
(15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
(16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

I believe and follow only the Gospel to be the true message of God, some believe the Letters from paul are, and others believe the whole Bible is the Word of God.
(prophetic books like daniel,revelations,isaiah etc. excluded)

the bible (Biblia meaning library of many books).

paul said:
romans 16: 25 Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim ...

jesus said:
matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Saint paul said:
1Tim.5
[17] Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching;
1Cor.9
[11] If we have sown spiritual good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits?


jesus said:
Matt 10
[8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.
Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink...

SAINT Paul says:
1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors (shepherds) and teachers,


Jesus says:
Matt.23
[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
[8] But you are not to be called rabbi, for you haveone teacher, and you are allbrethren.
[10] Neither be called teacher, or leaders, for u have one leader, the Christ

SAINT paul said:
rom 7

[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.

jesus said:
Matt.19
[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.


Jesus over himself:
Which of you convicts me of sin?

Saint paul over himself: sinner or saint?
"I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do -- this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. romans 7:18

21.I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. romans 7: 21


can a blind man lead a blind? they will both fall
what would Paul say if he sees people today have made him a Saint?


in the Gospel ive read that woman and men could ask/speak to Jesus.

Paul said
timothy 2:11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.


I dont say that Paul was a bad man, but he was a evangelist with his ups and downs
youre opinion on following the gospel or letters from paul or Moses or all.

please do not attack at being christian or not, thats not the topic here
for being a christian you have to follow Christ and not paul, right?

1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:1)

Salvation comes only through believing every word (Matthew 4:4) of the Bible, including the epistles.

 

[mori]

1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:1)

Salvation comes only through believing every word (Matthew 4:4) of the Bible, including the epistles.

I certainly hope not! How many people know every word, much less believe every word? This is an enormous hoop to jump through, requiring some pretty severe mental gymnastics.

 

[tribesman]

I certainly hope not! How many people know every word, much less believe every word? This is an enormous hoop to jump through, requiring some pretty severe mental gymnastics.

I think that what this person said was that we are to receive every word of the Holy Scriptures as the Word of God, including the pauline epistles. Which is true.

 

[mori]

I think that what this person said was that we are to receive every word of the Holy Scriptures as the Word of God, including the pauline epistles. Which is true.

But it's certainly false that salvation requires that.

 

[truthfull]

Paul just explained things a little deeper,to let us know the importance of living holy,and the sinfulness of the flesh.

so Paul could explain things better than Jesus could??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But it's certainly false that salvation requires that.

I agree. there would be many lost people who died before scripture was completed. Who believed and trusted in Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

so Paul could explain things better than Jesus could??

Peter called Pauls letters scripture. Good enough for me to believe everything written in them are from God. and not just pauls ramblings.

 

[truthfull]

Paul is saying that he taught them the Gospel of Christ,and they followed it,which father can refer to the maturity of a saint,but he did not take on the title of father,and Paul did not want anybody to call him father.
.

appeal to you on behalf of my child Onesimus, whose father I have become during my imprisonment.
philemon 1:10

verses are pretty clear, or not?
who was Onesimus??


The Holy Apostle Onesimus in some Eastern Orthodox churches) was a slave to Philemon of Colossae, a man of Christian faith. Eventually, Onesimus transgressed against Philemon and fled to the site of Paul the Apostle's imprisonment (most probably Rome or Caesarea) to escape punishment for a theft he was said to have committed,[3] there, he heard the Gospel from Paul.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I do not believe that Paul is in conflict wtih Jesus. Paul wrote under divine inspiration. You are really accusing God of not being consistant. There is a big differnece in being called "a father" or "a teacher" and being called father or teacher as a name. Paul is not teaching the opposite of Jesus. You need to take everything in context.

 

[truthfull]

I do not believe that Paul is in conflict wtih Jesus. Paul is not teaching the opposite of Jesus. You need to take everything in context.

in religion I must be honest and If we can be honest we will find the truth
for jesus said: If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

honest is the total bible Gods word?
yes : explain why the bible of catholics has 9 more books than protestant bible?
did God had more to say to the catholics than the protestant?

no: in wich part then came the word of God?

 

[AnandaHya]

what is there really to say to a person who does not believe that Jesus is God and rejects the scriptures that state that He is?

Its pointless and a waste of time to discuss scripture with a person who will just say that that portion was NOT inspired by God because it does not fit their beliefs.

 

[shroom2]

what is there really to say to a person who does not believe that Jesus is God and rejects the scriptures that state that He is?

Its pointless and a waste of time to discuss scripture with a person who will just say that that portion was NOT inspired by God because it does not fit their beliefs.

I believe the entire bible is God's word, from Genesis through Revelation. It is God's book, written by men, authored by God.

Trinitarians do not believe the many verses that plainly say Jesus is a man, but choose to focus on some scripture from which it could be inferred that Jesus is God. No being has a "dual nature". No being can be 100% one thing and 100% another. It makes no sense, and is therefore nonsense.

Only God, the Father, is God the creator, and He is supreme over all. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, our Lord and savior. Jesus prayed to God, his father. Jesus died. God cannot die. Then three days later, God raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus was actually dead until God raised him.

1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Romans 5:
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16) And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17) For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Adam chose to disobey God, Jesus Christ chose to obey.

 

[truthfull]

The Roman Catholic Church aprove these books in their books:

• Tobit
• Judith
• 1 Maccabees
• 2 Maccabees
• Wisdom
• Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)
• Baruch
• The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch Chapter 6)
• Greek Additions to Esther (Book of Esther, chapters 10:4—12:6)
• The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children
• Susanna
• Bel and the Dragon

Evangelicals and those of the Modern Protestant traditions do not accept the deuterocanonical books as canonical. and rejects them

shroom do you follow these books? in catholics bible they are the words from God right?

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

the Word was manifested in Jesus and only Jesus could carry the Word

you should read book of revelation
where there is a scroll of God that no man or angel could open and every one cried, untill the Lamb (jesus) came and he could open this scroll for us.

I think this scroll was the Gospel

 

[shroom2]

The Roman Catholic Church aprove these books in their books:

• Tobit
• Judith
• 1 Maccabees
• 2 Maccabees
• Wisdom
• Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)
• Baruch
• The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch Chapter 6)
• Greek Additions to Esther (Book of Esther, chapters 10:4—12:6)
• The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children
• Susanna
• Bel and the Dragon

Evangelicals and those of the Modern Protestant traditions do not accept the deuterocanonical books as canonical. and rejects them

shroom do you follow these books? in catholics bible they are the words from God right?

I think catholics believe they are divinely inspired. I do not.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

the Word was manifested in Jesus and only Jesus could carry the Word

you should read book of revelation
where there is a scroll of God that no man or angel could open and every one cried, untill the Lamb (jesus) came and he could open this scroll for us.

I think this scroll was the Gospel

That's nice.

I don't think the bible says what exactly the scroll was. But each of the seals represented an event that will happen here on earth once the trib starts. It won't be fun.

 

[truthfull]

I think catholics believe they are divinely inspired. I do not.


.

ok that maybe so, but why has their holy bible 9 more books that the protestant bible rejects

do you believe God orderd those books in their bible or men?

or maybe you werent aware of the differance between these bibles.



John said:
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.</I> 1 John 4:1

God to Jeremiah said:
Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds jeremiah 14:14

 

[shroom2]

ok that maybe so, but why has their holy bible 9 more books that the protestant bible rejects

Because whoever was responsible for their bible thought they should be there.

do you believe God orderd those books in their bible or men?

Men.

or maybe you werent aware of the differance between these bibles.

Of course I was.

John said:
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.</I> 1 John 4:1

God to Jeremiah said:
Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds jeremiah 14:14

Right. Everyone uses those scripture to warn others who do not believe as they do. The question is what is "right" doctrine. Once we know right doctrine, we can know "false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds".

 

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Because whoever was responsible for their bible thought they should be there.


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so you agree that the letters of Paul were, like maccabees, tobit, judith, bel and the dragon etc put in the bible by men, probably good men who had their own vision of how people should live

I can see that you are sincere in staying truthfull, what do you think of calling people a saint like Paul?

knowing saint means holy (seperated from sin or sacred).

keeping in mind when Jesus lived non of his apostles were called saint peter john etc.