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Shalom brother, I checked out that link, they don't even know how to make their arguement, they use the talmud to try and prove their point, they don't even say anything that makes any sense of Daniel 9. Besides, the part they don't like of Daniel 9 is in verses 24-26. Because Daniel 9:27 talks about making a covenant for 1 week, Yeshua never did that, He never made a week covenant, this is anti-christ as the last half of verse 26 is talking about.
Not quite brother, it says he(notice lower case 'he', whenever something is about Yeshua or YHVH it is always capitalized) it says he confirmed "a" covenant, not "the" covenant, why would he need to confirm "the"covenant?
Remember, when Yeshua came and died, even the Paul didn't stop doing sacrifice and offering for unclean things in the temple as I pointed to you in Acts 21. So this showing that Yeshua did not put an end to these things, nor does it say so anywhere in scripture. He became the final sacrifice for sin unto death. Did you get a chance to read the verses in Ez. 45, and in Zech. 14?
Remember, when Yeshua came and died, even the Paul didn't stop doing sacrifice and offering for unclean things in the temple as I pointed to you in Acts 21. So this showing that Yeshua did not put an end to these things, nor does it say so anywhere in scripture. He became the final sacrifice for sin unto death. Did you get a chance to read the verses in Ez. 45, and in Zech. 14?
L
Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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The word "the or "a" is not found in the original text. It is just an interpreters addition.
The he is the "prince who is to come" He confirms this covenant for 1 week (seven years)
Gabriel did not in the middle of his proclamation to daniel turn weeks to mean something else. The 69 weeks were 69 literal weeks of years. This "covenant" for one week, is for 1 weak of years, or 7 years.
He, Also commits the abomination of desolation. Jesus spoke of this in his explanation in matt 24. When you see HIM. If this was Jesus, Jesus would have said so. If this was "messiah the prince" Gabriel would have said so.
Jesus did not defile the temple.
The he is the "prince who is to come" He confirms this covenant for 1 week (seven years)
Gabriel did not in the middle of his proclamation to daniel turn weeks to mean something else. The 69 weeks were 69 literal weeks of years. This "covenant" for one week, is for 1 weak of years, or 7 years.
He, Also commits the abomination of desolation. Jesus spoke of this in his explanation in matt 24. When you see HIM. If this was Jesus, Jesus would have said so. If this was "messiah the prince" Gabriel would have said so.
Jesus did not defile the temple.
Brother, no translation I've read says 'the covenant' it all says 'a covenant'. Also, when you take this verse back to the hebrew text, which I have, it says even different, "During one week he will make a firm covenant with many." So in the original text it doesn't say he will confirm, it says he will make a firm covenant.
The KJV doesn't say 'the covenant' either, but the orginal hebrew text doesn't even have the or a in it. So that makes the english translation incorrect. On a different note, I enjoy debating with you, which doesn't happen often because we see eye to eye on most things, but it stays cool between us, thanks for that brother. Shalom
L
Brother Avinu the KJV does say "The Covenant" that is the text I quoted
Daniel 9:27 (KJV)
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Yes I do enjoy your posts as well
Daniel 9:27 (KJV)
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Yes I do enjoy your posts as well
L
Just some more info on different versions
Daniel 9:27
American Standard Version (ASV)
27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27
New International Version (NIV)
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[d]”[e]
Daniel 9:27
King James Version (KJV)
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
It looks like they are saying three different things so which is correct?
Daniel 9:27
American Standard Version (ASV)
27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27
New International Version (NIV)
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[d]”[e]
Daniel 9:27
King James Version (KJV)
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
It looks like they are saying three different things so which is correct?
You're right brother, my bad, sorry.
I'm inclined to go with the original text, which doesn't say any of those. It says, " DURING ONE WEEK HE WILL MAKE A FIRM COVENANT WITH MANY" Now the thing to still notice is, in no translation, including the hebrew, the word 'he' is lower case, not capitalized. That speaks alot for itself.
I'm inclined to go with the original text, which doesn't say any of those. It says, " DURING ONE WEEK HE WILL MAKE A FIRM COVENANT WITH MANY" Now the thing to still notice is, in no translation, including the hebrew, the word 'he' is lower case, not capitalized. That speaks alot for itself.
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Even if one does know, it would be a sin to state it. It IS always possible for GOD to repent of the evil that He thought to bring upon us, IF WE repent.
The ONLY thing that Christ stated would make Him happy, Is IF He were to return and find the Fire/Truth already kindled.
A kindling isn't much of a Fire, but its a start; depending on how good or bad this Fire/Truth gets, WILL have a bearing on whether GOD stops it as written; stops it early; or delays stopping it.I think it IS up to the labourers and how much they are able to bear.
Seems like almost every religious beleiver, though they don't deny The Holy Spirit, they certainly have no idea who SHE IS.
I sure wouldn't want to face The Son and look Him in the eye, and say, But i thought your Love was Gay/Solo? Oh and by the way, aren't you your own Granpa?
What you can KNOW is the times and the seasons that are written in Mark 13 and Mattew 24 for a couple of places of referance.
Don't worry you won't miss it, it IS prophesied to be the Greatest Show to ever hit the earth since flesh began. Just don't get your 666 and 777 mixed up and you will be fine; IF you trust The Father in and through HIS PLAN of Salvation, CHRIST. Gen: 1/3 to Rev: 20/9. And then comes Big Daddy Love; "and Fire came down from Heaven"
The ONLY thing that Christ stated would make Him happy, Is IF He were to return and find the Fire/Truth already kindled.
A kindling isn't much of a Fire, but its a start; depending on how good or bad this Fire/Truth gets, WILL have a bearing on whether GOD stops it as written; stops it early; or delays stopping it.I think it IS up to the labourers and how much they are able to bear.
Seems like almost every religious beleiver, though they don't deny The Holy Spirit, they certainly have no idea who SHE IS.
I sure wouldn't want to face The Son and look Him in the eye, and say, But i thought your Love was Gay/Solo? Oh and by the way, aren't you your own Granpa?
What you can KNOW is the times and the seasons that are written in Mark 13 and Mattew 24 for a couple of places of referance.
Don't worry you won't miss it, it IS prophesied to be the Greatest Show to ever hit the earth since flesh began. Just don't get your 666 and 777 mixed up and you will be fine; IF you trust The Father in and through HIS PLAN of Salvation, CHRIST. Gen: 1/3 to Rev: 20/9. And then comes Big Daddy Love; "and Fire came down from Heaven"
A LAKE OF FIRE
GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION/BABYLON
(The season it ALL goes down IS from PassOver to Thankgiving/Christs Birthday/Harvest Time of the Souls)
Forever in Christ
L
The covenant is mentioned also in verse 4
Daniel 9:4
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
From this I link it with verse 27, cause this is the covenant mentioned in chapter 9. Cause we need to read chapter 9 as a whole not just one verse.
Daniel 9:4
(4) And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
From this I link it with verse 27, cause this is the covenant mentioned in chapter 9. Cause we need to read chapter 9 as a whole not just one verse.
I understand what your saying, but we also have to look at the fact that Yeshua did not bring an abomination of desolation upon the temple, as it says in verse 27.
Here's what the original text says the hebrew, it is quite different from the english.
26) And after those sixty-two weeks, the anointed one will disappear and vanish. The army of a leader who IS to COME will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but its end will come through a flood. Desolation is decreed until the end of war. 27) During one week he will make a firm covenant with many. For half a week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the meal offering. At the corner {of the altar} will be an appalling abomination until the decreed destruction will be poured down upon the appalling thing.
The only part of this that is Messiah, is where He disappears and vanish, (ascended into Heaven) Then the army(Rome) of the leader who IS to COME, (the anti-christ) will destroy the city and sanctuary. Which they did in 70 A.D.
Here's what the original text says the hebrew, it is quite different from the english.
26) And after those sixty-two weeks, the anointed one will disappear and vanish. The army of a leader who IS to COME will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but its end will come through a flood. Desolation is decreed until the end of war. 27) During one week he will make a firm covenant with many. For half a week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the meal offering. At the corner {of the altar} will be an appalling abomination until the decreed destruction will be poured down upon the appalling thing.
The only part of this that is Messiah, is where He disappears and vanish, (ascended into Heaven) Then the army(Rome) of the leader who IS to COME, (the anti-christ) will destroy the city and sanctuary. Which they did in 70 A.D.
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the hebrew literally says confirm covenant many. confirm is masculin active sequential. so it is translated he shall confirm, or establish. Covenant is a singular noun. Many is a noun plural.. meaning great or many
A or the is not there. but could be translated either way, depending on language (remoember KJV uses Old Englsih. which would have said the instead of A.)
We can not from this passage know which covenant this is. It does not say,
A or the is not there. but could be translated either way, depending on language (remoember KJV uses Old Englsih. which would have said the instead of A.)
We can not from this passage know which covenant this is. It does not say,