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Even if it were so, who gave them the authority to change Almighty Yahvah's laws?
What happened was is that the pagans were losing grip of the people, so they decided to infiltrate the truth.
People were taking up their cross for ALmighty Yahvah God, Yashua the Messiah is the saviour sent by his Father to call in the flock.
Some say they put truth into pagan, but most know they put paganism into the truth to gain control, though it backfired for many times throughout history, they have now probably confused the majority into thinking they are of Almighty Yahvah God and accept Yashua the Messiah as the sacrifice for their sin.
At the time people on both sides of were unhappy the pagans put pressure to have it there way, the followers of the Messiah were pushing for the truth and to follow Almighty Yahvah God by accepting Yahshua the Messiah.
rome/vatican is still very unhappy with the King James Bible, so much so they had to infiltrate the protestant, which means protesters...................
And bring them back under the vatican, i think money and power helped the protesters to be guided back into their evil agenda.
If you knew what some of us know then you would fall to the ground in despair.
Of course this is just a glimpse, we have islam and the "jewish" people who still await their messiah...
Now if you read the Bible Old and New front to back, you may just see how all this come to pass.
I tell you one thing, i was lost, but now I'm found, I was blind but now i see.......
Only by grace, have I been shown mercy by the Most High, Most Loving Yahvah God.
King Yahshua my Messiah will return , it is not a battle for us, it is already won, but Almighty Yahvah God wanted to know which of us will accept his gift of Salvation before his Harvest.
The Bible is an active book..........
C
I do know the Word of God and that the battle is spiritual. And I know the outcome, that Jesus Christ is the Victor. That is nothing new.
But this is new, and I ask that you explain it please. When speaking of the Catholic church and their diobolic plan of replacing themselves to be God, you said:
"they have now probably confused the majority into thinking they are of Almighty Yahvah God and accept Yashua the Messiah as the sacrifice for their sin".
To be clean, I am asking you, are you saying: Jesus the Christ is not the acceptable sacrifice for our sins?"
But this is new, and I ask that you explain it please. When speaking of the Catholic church and their diobolic plan of replacing themselves to be God, you said:
"they have now probably confused the majority into thinking they are of Almighty Yahvah God and accept Yashua the Messiah as the sacrifice for their sin".
To be clean, I am asking you, are you saying: Jesus the Christ is not the acceptable sacrifice for our sins?"
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As a catholic I used to get offended by threads like this, but then I finally realized that these people have small, narrow minds that refuse to comprehend the truth behind catholicism no matter how hard one tries to explain it from a position of factual knowledge. Instead they will just keep regurgitating the same old lies that they hold on to so dearly.
H
The Word of God being truth and refined 7 times (Psalm 12:6) offends my friend (Jeremiah 6:10)
However...
For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you. On the contrary, we speak as men approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please men but God, who tests our hearts. You know we never used flattery, nor did we put on a mask to cover up greed—God is our witness. We were not looking for praise from men, not from you or anyone else.
1 Thessalonians 2:3-6a
In other words you see that rep power? I can care less about it because I am not on this site to please any man nor appeal to anyone's flesh. You can either embrace the truth or directly or indirectly trample it but either way God is glorified! Blessings my friend God loves you I beseech you seek Christ who is the Word of God and is the only means to which we may be saved. Love in Christ!
However...
For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you. On the contrary, we speak as men approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please men but God, who tests our hearts. You know we never used flattery, nor did we put on a mask to cover up greed—God is our witness. We were not looking for praise from men, not from you or anyone else.
1 Thessalonians 2:3-6a
In other words you see that rep power? I can care less about it because I am not on this site to please any man nor appeal to anyone's flesh. You can either embrace the truth or directly or indirectly trample it but either way God is glorified! Blessings my friend God loves you I beseech you seek Christ who is the Word of God and is the only means to which we may be saved. Love in Christ!
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C
It is the fact that "Mary and her child" is worshiped instead of "God and His Son".
It is the fact of bowing before a wooden, metal, or a clay statue when we are told not to do such.
It is the fact that Jesus is subordinate to the queen of Heaven.
It is the fact that Mary is prayed to, when Jesus told us to pray only to the Father.
It is the fact that the Catholic church played the harlot and cheated on God and welcomed in their "saints" to be adored.
It is the fact that God said to come out of her my children and do not pertake of her sins.
It is the fact that the pope is considered God and his words infalliable. It is not true that God Himself said this. Who is this man to say such.
It is the fact.............................................................................
It is the fact of bowing before a wooden, metal, or a clay statue when we are told not to do such.
It is the fact that Jesus is subordinate to the queen of Heaven.
It is the fact that Mary is prayed to, when Jesus told us to pray only to the Father.
It is the fact that the Catholic church played the harlot and cheated on God and welcomed in their "saints" to be adored.
It is the fact that God said to come out of her my children and do not pertake of her sins.
It is the fact that the pope is considered God and his words infalliable. It is not true that God Himself said this. Who is this man to say such.
It is the fact.............................................................................
S
Nope. Mary and the Saints are given "dulia" or honor, the Holy Trinity is given "Latria" or worship due only to God.
Depends on how you understand the commandments. We group "Thou shalt not make and bow down to a graven image" in with "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", or more simply put we merge the first and second commandments (according to the Protestant numbering scheme). The prohibition of graven images was directly tied into the prohibition against worshiping other gods. God even commanded for the temple and the Ark to be adorned with images.
Nope, Jesus was the one who granted that title and Mary is not divine.
Asked for intercession, big difference.
Nope, we canonize those who have exhibited extreme Christian virtue in their lives.
Who or what that verse applies to is very open to interpretation.
It is fact that the Pope is considered the Vicar of Christ (not God) and that when he speaks ex cathedra he is protected by the Holy Spirit from teaching error in regards to matters of Faith and Morals.
Depends on how you understand the commandments. We group "Thou shalt not make and bow down to a graven image" in with "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", or more simply put we merge the first and second commandments (according to the Protestant numbering scheme). The prohibition of graven images was directly tied into the prohibition against worshiping other gods. God even commanded for the temple and the Ark to be adorned with images.
Nope, Jesus was the one who granted that title and Mary is not divine.
Asked for intercession, big difference.
Nope, we canonize those who have exhibited extreme Christian virtue in their lives.
Who or what that verse applies to is very open to interpretation.
It is fact that the Pope is considered the Vicar of Christ (not God) and that when he speaks ex cathedra he is protected by the Holy Spirit from teaching error in regards to matters of Faith and Morals.
H
How do you measure truth? Is it through the Word? Or is it through traditions?
Read carefully... http://carm.org/bible-alone-sufficient-spiritual-truth
Blessings my friend
Read carefully... http://carm.org/bible-alone-sufficient-spiritual-truth
Blessings my friend
H
How about Mother teresa? Do you see her as a saint? She advocated or tolerated other gods by helping others forsake the true Gospel on their death beds!
Read http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/38755-truth-about-mother-teresa.html#post658890
Blessings
Read http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/38755-truth-about-mother-teresa.html#post658890
Blessings
C
They are dead human beings. What does the Bible say about speaking to the dead? What can the dead do? What about John in Revelation, when he tried to pay homage to an angel? Did they not say something along this line, "not to do that because we are FELLOW believers"? What does the Bible say about venerating people? There is no excuse to praying to another human, dead or alive.
Depends on how I understand it or how you wish to understand it? What can a lump of clay offer me? Can it breath? Can it save me from my enemies? Perhaps this piece of wood will answer my prayers? There are way to many instances in the Bible telling us not to worship the creation, but worship the Creator. How then can I say to a blade of grass to be my god, when all the way, I can burn that grass at will? Is my god under my control?
Jeus said to Mary that she is the "Queen of Heaven"? This is what Scripture says about the queen of Heaven, she is another god. And her worship angers God. (Jer 7:18) What did God do to them who sweared their worship to this queen of Heaven in Jer 44?
Come now, it is not so that the Catholic church teach that she has "motherly" control over her son and he must, because she is his mother, give in to her wish? Is not Jesus, the Son of God, the ONLY Mediataor between God and man? Shall we not then go to Him, who only is able to intercede?
St. Demetrios is the goddess Demeter
St. Aphrodite was the goddess Aphrodite
St Nicholas was the goddess Nick
St. Martin was the god Mars
Shall we continue with Catholic pagan holidays, Easter, Christmas, Valentine's Day, Mother and Father Day, Halloween? Dare I mention the celebration of Mary's birthday? Palm Sunday? Mardi Gras? I will not say anything about the holiday of the Immucalate Conception of Mary!!!!! These have all been introduced to the Christian religion by the Harlot looking for new adoration to her mass.
It is applied to the harlot which still has some of God's people in her. She is indeed an idolateress who has played the harlot with God. How many gods does she intreat for the favor of God? Can a phantom god or goddress really take form to present itself before God? How many does she damn through the gods and godesses they bow down to and "venerate"?
　
These are Facts:
The Catholic Council of Trent in 1545 declared this:
We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff hold primacy over the whole world. Does not Scripture say that the whole world is under Satan's control?
　
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine stated this:
All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ...all the same names are applied to the Pope. But, we are told that God has only one begotten Son.
　
In 1895 an article from the Catholic National said this:
The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh. Damn FOOLS.
　
The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:
To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical. Again, Damn FOOLS!!!
Father A. Pereira, in speaking about the same gloss, said this:
It is quite certain that Popes have never disapproved or rejected this title "Lord God the Pope" for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII. Nothing else need to be added.
　
Papal documents also say this:
Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods (emphasis added). b(Decretales Domini Gregori IX Translatione Episcoporum, ("On the Transference of Bishops"), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice(2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), Column 99; (Paris, 1612).)
The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth (emphasis added). (Quoted in the New York Catechism.)
　
The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...The Pope alone is called most holy...Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell. Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than. So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith,they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power (emphasis added). (Lucius Ferraris, "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility," Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica Volume V (Paris: J. P. Migne, 1858)).
Depends on how I understand it or how you wish to understand it? What can a lump of clay offer me? Can it breath? Can it save me from my enemies? Perhaps this piece of wood will answer my prayers? There are way to many instances in the Bible telling us not to worship the creation, but worship the Creator. How then can I say to a blade of grass to be my god, when all the way, I can burn that grass at will? Is my god under my control?
Jeus said to Mary that she is the "Queen of Heaven"? This is what Scripture says about the queen of Heaven, she is another god. And her worship angers God. (Jer 7:18) What did God do to them who sweared their worship to this queen of Heaven in Jer 44?
Come now, it is not so that the Catholic church teach that she has "motherly" control over her son and he must, because she is his mother, give in to her wish? Is not Jesus, the Son of God, the ONLY Mediataor between God and man? Shall we not then go to Him, who only is able to intercede?
St. Demetrios is the goddess Demeter
St. Aphrodite was the goddess Aphrodite
St Nicholas was the goddess Nick
St. Martin was the god Mars
Shall we continue with Catholic pagan holidays, Easter, Christmas, Valentine's Day, Mother and Father Day, Halloween? Dare I mention the celebration of Mary's birthday? Palm Sunday? Mardi Gras? I will not say anything about the holiday of the Immucalate Conception of Mary!!!!! These have all been introduced to the Christian religion by the Harlot looking for new adoration to her mass.
It is applied to the harlot which still has some of God's people in her. She is indeed an idolateress who has played the harlot with God. How many gods does she intreat for the favor of God? Can a phantom god or goddress really take form to present itself before God? How many does she damn through the gods and godesses they bow down to and "venerate"?
　
These are Facts:
The Catholic Council of Trent in 1545 declared this:
We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff hold primacy over the whole world. Does not Scripture say that the whole world is under Satan's control?
　
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine stated this:
All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ...all the same names are applied to the Pope. But, we are told that God has only one begotten Son.
　
In 1895 an article from the Catholic National said this:
The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh. Damn FOOLS.
　
The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:
To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical. Again, Damn FOOLS!!!
Father A. Pereira, in speaking about the same gloss, said this:
It is quite certain that Popes have never disapproved or rejected this title "Lord God the Pope" for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII. Nothing else need to be added.
　
Papal documents also say this:
Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods (emphasis added). b(Decretales Domini Gregori IX Translatione Episcoporum, ("On the Transference of Bishops"), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice(2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), Column 99; (Paris, 1612).)
The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth (emphasis added). (Quoted in the New York Catechism.)
　
The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...The Pope alone is called most holy...Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell. Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than. So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith,they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power (emphasis added). (Lucius Ferraris, "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility," Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica Volume V (Paris: J. P. Migne, 1858)).
Well a couple things..... My best friend is Catholic so we talk about this a lot....I'm protestant.
Okay first here's something weird for all us Protestants to realize. Protestants use to be Catholic. At one time there was only Catholic faith. Then eventually I think in something like the 1500's they rebelled and left the church to become the Protestant faith. I't just a factoid
The catholics head might have been hijacked as many suspect. But that doesn't mean it couldn't happen in Protestants too. The World Counsel on Churches and other governing bodies could also very likely be infiltrated and taken over. I wouldn't doubt that at all. So the head might have a decease but the body isn't infected yet. People in the congragation still generally are good people and right with God whether Protestant or Catholic.
I disagree with so many of the Catholic customs but that's there way so they probably disagree with ours. And we seen how well that worked out in Irishland where they both are at each others throats forever over secondary stuff. The main stuff is still solid in both. The trinity, Jesus dying at the cross for forgiveness etc. The way you get saved. Okay at least I think it is or I hope it is. But ya I'm not sure what to think of catholics I think they just need to carefully examine all these ritualistic way sin which they worship. Jesus never acted like that. He was way more liberal and free and joyful in his teachings.
But the point is that we shouldn't waste our time attacking each other. But ya the pope ahhhhhhhh I'm not sure about that one.
Okay first here's something weird for all us Protestants to realize. Protestants use to be Catholic. At one time there was only Catholic faith. Then eventually I think in something like the 1500's they rebelled and left the church to become the Protestant faith. I't just a factoid
The catholics head might have been hijacked as many suspect. But that doesn't mean it couldn't happen in Protestants too. The World Counsel on Churches and other governing bodies could also very likely be infiltrated and taken over. I wouldn't doubt that at all. So the head might have a decease but the body isn't infected yet. People in the congragation still generally are good people and right with God whether Protestant or Catholic.
I disagree with so many of the Catholic customs but that's there way so they probably disagree with ours. And we seen how well that worked out in Irishland where they both are at each others throats forever over secondary stuff. The main stuff is still solid in both. The trinity, Jesus dying at the cross for forgiveness etc. The way you get saved. Okay at least I think it is or I hope it is. But ya I'm not sure what to think of catholics I think they just need to carefully examine all these ritualistic way sin which they worship. Jesus never acted like that. He was way more liberal and free and joyful in his teachings.
But the point is that we shouldn't waste our time attacking each other. But ya the pope ahhhhhhhh I'm not sure about that one.
C
My Brother,
By no means am I speaking of the members of the Catholic church, but the govering body of that church. I totally agree that when God said, "Come out of her my people" that some of His are still in her. I do not condemn the person but the sin. And those of the Reformation came out of her so that they would not be a part of her sin. Does this not imply, that they who do not leave her does take a part of her sin? What sort of love would it be if i did not manifest the error they are taught?
One of the basic reasons for the Church is it to be the body of Christ on Earth, to do His purpose. And that purpose is to lead others to the Light and all It curtails. Now I ask you, my fellow believer, which light do they lead to if not that of their Mary and her child? Didn't Jesus lead to God only? In reality, this is the only "solid stuff" which has weight to seeing the fruit of anyone's deeds.
You imply that "the way you get saved" is the same in both the Catholic and Protestants churchs. I present to you the follow:
from the Vatican II Council
Does not salvation come only from Christ? Is one's salvation depended upon a pope's whim?
Does one have to be a Catholic to be saved? By definition, we Protestants are doomed, not because of lack of faith in Christ, but because we are not Catholics.
If salvation comes by acknowledging the Lord Jesus (Rom 10:9), how then can they baptize an infant? But, by them, one only has to be a member of their church.
Furthermore,
By no means am I speaking of the members of the Catholic church, but the govering body of that church. I totally agree that when God said, "Come out of her my people" that some of His are still in her. I do not condemn the person but the sin. And those of the Reformation came out of her so that they would not be a part of her sin. Does this not imply, that they who do not leave her does take a part of her sin? What sort of love would it be if i did not manifest the error they are taught?
One of the basic reasons for the Church is it to be the body of Christ on Earth, to do His purpose. And that purpose is to lead others to the Light and all It curtails. Now I ask you, my fellow believer, which light do they lead to if not that of their Mary and her child? Didn't Jesus lead to God only? In reality, this is the only "solid stuff" which has weight to seeing the fruit of anyone's deeds.
You imply that "the way you get saved" is the same in both the Catholic and Protestants churchs. I present to you the follow:
from the Vatican II Council
Does not salvation come only from Christ? Is one's salvation depended upon a pope's whim?
Does one have to be a Catholic to be saved? By definition, we Protestants are doomed, not because of lack of faith in Christ, but because we are not Catholics.
If salvation comes by acknowledging the Lord Jesus (Rom 10:9), how then can they baptize an infant? But, by them, one only has to be a member of their church.
Furthermore,
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Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Gota love Jesus. He just knows what to say
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Gota love Jesus. He just knows what to say