FIRST FRUITS

[Avinu]

I would like to share another awesome bit of info. about Yeshua and the feasts, this one being First Fruits.

Lev. 23:9-14
9) And YHVH spoke to Moses, saying,
10) "Speak to the children of Israel and say to them; ' When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest.
11) He shall wave the sheaf before YHVH, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day AFTER the SABBATH the priest shall wave it.
12) And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the YHVH.
13) Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to YHVH, for a sweet aroma; and it's drink offering shall be of wine, one fourth of a hin.
14) You shall eat veither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your Yah; it shall be a Statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

Here as it is pretty self explanitory, that YHVH commands for the first fruits of the Barley harvest be picked & given to the high priest(for he is the only one who is permitted to enter the Tabernacle and present himself before YHVH and the ark of the covenant) he goes before the Father and waves the offering before Him to be an acceptable offering. And this was to be done after the weekly sabbath, this is key here.

First Fruits is very important in scripture, it is the top of the line, primo, best of the batch, so to speak.

John 20:11-17
11) But Mary stood outside by the tomb weeping, and as she wept she stooped down and looked into the tomb.
12)And she saw two angels in white sitting one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Yeshua had lain.
13) Then they said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She said to them, "Because they have taken away my Adon(Lord), and I do not know where they have laid Him."
14) Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Yeshua standing there, and did not know that it was Yeshua.
15) Yeshua said to her, Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take him away."
16) Yeshua said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say teacher)
17) Yeshua said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Yah and your Yah."

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now Messiah is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.


Yeshua after the weekly sabbath rose from the dead, being the first fruits, and because He became the final High Priest went into Heaven and presented Himself before YHVH as the wave offering.
So as we see in Torah, it makes a clear statement of the First Fruits being done after the weekly sabbath, just as our Messiah rose from the dead after the weekly sabbath on the first day of the week, and being both the High Priest and wave offering to YHVH.



HE'S ALIVE AND RISEN!!!

 

[gotime]

Hi there, I would be interested in what your view is of the use of first fruits in revelation 14. concerning the 144, 000. cheers.

 

[Avinu]

Hi there, I would be interested in what your view is of the use of first fruits in revelation 14. concerning the 144, 000. cheers.

To be honest my friend, no one really can say, for there is just no info on them outide of Rev. 7 & 14. But a good friend of mine whom I've learned much from is intrigued with the idea that when Yeshua rose from the grave as the firstfruits of resurrection, it talks about after Him many bodies of the saints rose who had fallen asleep.

Matt. 27:51-53
51) Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,
52) and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
53) and coming out of the graves AFTER His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

This could very well be them. But as I said, no one can really say for sure. Sorry I couldn't give a definite answer on this. Shalom

 

[gotime]

To be honest my friend, no one really can say, for there is just no info on them outide of Rev. 7 & 14. But a good friend of mine whom I've learned much from is intrigued with the idea that when Yeshua rose from the grave as the firstfruits of resurrection, it talks about after Him many bodies of the saints rose who had fallen asleep.

Matt. 27:51-53
51) Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,
52) and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
53) and coming out of the graves AFTER His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

This could very well be them. But as I said, no one can really say for sure. Sorry I couldn't give a definite answer on this. Shalom

That's fine bro, Was just wondering is all.

I would suggest something though. Revelation 7 gives us a clue. the 144,000 is in answer to a question.

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

It would seem that this group of people are the ones who are able to stand when the wrath of God comes. they are the ones who are protected by God. In a sense they are the end time Noah's. while the rest of the world who rejected God are being affected by the wrath of God this group is protected by God.

anyway thoughts to ponder blessings.

 

[pickles]

For me, as I garden alot, I always look forward to the first fruits!
Simply because one waits with hope for the day when they can pick them, as the first fruits bring the knowladge that the harvest has begun!

God bless
pickles

 

[loveme1]

For me, as I garden alot, I always look forward to the first fruits!
Simply because one waits with hope for the day when they can pick them, as the first fruits bring the knowladge that the harvest has begun!

God bless
pickles

Very good. What a wonderful way to put something.

 

[Trax]

Hi there, I would be interested in what your view is of the use of first fruits in revelation 14. concerning the 144, 000. cheers.

The Jews have been blinded to the truth of Jesus, so Gentiles can be saved. Once the time
of the Gentiles is over, the blindness of the Jews will be lifted. Those 144000 are the first
to see the truth and are the first fruits.

 

[Avinu]

The Jews have been blinded to the truth of Jesus, so Gentiles can be saved. Once the time
of the Gentiles is over, the blindness of the Jews will be lifted. Those 144000 are the first
to see the truth and are the first fruits.

As you are correct that Israel was blinded so the gentiles could be saved, I would have to say the 144,000 are not the first to see the truth. 1) I'm hebrew and see the truth, 2) thousands of Israelites have come to accept Yeshua as Messiah right now, and more and more everyday come to believe in Him. Now it won't be completed till Yeshua returns, but it has already started.

 

[Laodicea]

The 144000 cannot be from literal Israel but, spiritual. The tribes in Revelation are different to the original. Israel in the NT is not literal but those who belong to Christ.

 

[Avinu]

The 144000 cannot be from literal Israel but, spiritual. The tribes in Revelation are different to the original. Israel in the NT is not literal but those who belong to Christ

Brother Lao, what would make you believe this? Do you believe in replacement theology?

 

[Laodicea]

So what do you believe then?

 

[RedTent]

The Jews have been blinded to the truth of Jesus, so Gentiles can be saved. Once the time of the Gentiles is over, the blindness of the Jews will be lifted. Those 144000 are the first
to see the truth and are the first fruits.

It has always been through grace that there has been salvation. Christ said that Moses knew me. Job in 19:25 said “I know my redeemer lives”. John 8:56 said "Abraham rejoiced to see my day”. Yet, the OT doesn’t stress salvation through grace, it tells mostly of God our Father. The NT stresses salvation and Christ, and does not stress God our Father. Yet the two are one, as Christ points out.

Many of our churches even say we must not dwell too much in the OT, as it stresses works. The Jews say we created a new God in Christ. It seems to me that the unity of scriptures must be seen to know truth.

As for the 144,000, scripture often uses numbers as symbols. This number symbolizes completeness.

 

[Molly]

The 144000 cannot be from literal Israel but, spiritual. The tribes in Revelation are different to the original. Israel in the NT is not literal but those who belong to Christ.

I too believe that the 144,000 are not all from literal Israel.

Paul said, "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God." (Rom 2:28, 29)

God would have chosen the full number from fleshly Israel but there was not enough who put faith in their Messiah. In order to keep his covenant with Abraham in force, Yahweh simply changed the definition of a what it meant to be a "Jew". Spiritual Israel came in to existence. "The Israel of God" which was made up of both Jews and gentiles. (Gal 6:16)

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me. And now, look, your house is abandoned and desolate. For I tell you this, you will never see me again until you say, ‘Blessings on the one who comes in the name of the Lord!" (Matt 23:37-39)

When Jesus said that the 'house of Israel' was 'abandoned and desolate', he was casting Israel off as a spiritual nation. They would go on to execute the one sent to save them. Gentiles would now fill the positions of "kings and priests" in the heavenly kingdom. (Rev 29:6) Individuals from Israel would still come to put faith in him, but the nation as a whole was abandoned. They would never see Christ again "until" they (as a nation) pronounced blessings on the one who came in Yahweh's name.

What makes us think that will ever happen? They have denied him for almost 2,000 years.

 

[Trax]

As you are correct that Israel was blinded so the gentiles could be saved, I would have to say the 144,000 are not the first to see the truth. 1) I'm hebrew and see the truth, 2) thousands of Israelites have come to accept Yeshua as Messiah right now, and more and more everyday come to believe in Him. Now it won't be completed till Yeshua returns, but it has already started.

But you haven't been blinded, THEY have. THEY will be the first, of who HAVE been blinded,
to see.

 

[Trax]

The 144000 cannot be from literal Israel but, spiritual. The tribes in Revelation are different to the original. Israel in the NT is not literal but those who belong to Christ.

If God gave up on the nation of Israel, He'll give up on you too. They are Jews, totally human,
and not of a liberal anti-christ agenda to defy the kingdom of God. You need to repent in
a very serious way.

 

[Trax]

Many of our churches even say we must not dwell too much in the OT, as it stresses works. The Jews say we created a new God in Christ. It seems to me that the unity of scriptures must be seen to know truth.

As for the 144,000, scripture often uses numbers as symbols. This number symbolizes completeness.

Red, the blindness of the Jews isn't OT, but NT.

 

[Trax]

I too believe that the 144,000 are not all from literal Israel.

Well, you better think again, because it is literal Jews in Israel. Just read the book of Rev and pay
attention for once and you will see, it is clearly Israel. The gentile church was a mystery,, yet
the gentiles have become puffed up in pride and want to claim the promises. You get the
promises, NOT from stealing them, as most do preach, but because you were ADOPTED
into the nation.

Who did God promise to return to that land? The gentile church or the nation of Israel?
Well, let me answer this for you. It was the nation of Israel. And who WAS brought back and
set up as a nation there again? It was the JEWS. If God fullfilled the promise He made to "literal
Israel" DURING the time of the gentile church age, He'll fullfill ALL His promises to them.
And when He says 144,000 Jews, He "MEANS" 144,000 jews.

One thing Christians need to get into their heads. The promises were made to "that family"
over there. Before a person, OUTSIDE the family, can come under the promises, that person
will have to be adopted into that family. Jesus, the God Man, was fully human. A Jew.
Those are His people. God never gave up on them and He never will.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Salvation is of the Jews. Weigh in on that comment by Jesus. Salvation is of the Jews.
It doesn't say, "Salvation is of the gentiles." A saved person is under the banner of the King
of the Jews, and that is Jesus.

 

[krisbrian]

Here is a commentary from Chuck Smith

Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel (Hsa 1:10-11).


So in this very place, Jezreel, where God says, "That's it, you're no more My people," in that place God is going to say to them, "You are My people and the number of Israel will be as the sand of the sea." This is a prophecy of the glorious restoration of God's grace, God's love and God's work on the nation of Israel.
Now there are many today who in interpreting the Bible, the New Testament, like to exclude the nation Israel from the grace and the mercy of God. And they declare that God is through with the nation of Israel forever and that the church is now Israel. And Paul, in writing to the church, does make reference to the fact that we who were once alienated had been brought nigh and we have been grafted in and partakers of the fatness of the vine and so forth, and he does speak of our being blessed by God, that is, the church. But it is wrong to say that the church is Israel. Paul says, "We are sons of Abraham through faith," but we are not Israel, nor are we the fulfillment of God's promises to Israel. And to spiritualize and make the church Israel is manifestly wrong and I will give you one reason and you need no more. There are many, but I'll give you one and you'll need no more.

Here in Hosea, in this similitude of Hosea taking a wife and her leaving him and becoming a prostitute, but then God saying to Hosea, "Go and get her again, purchase her and take her again for your wife," precludes the church spiritually being Israel. For the church is the virgin bride adorned and prepared for her husband Jesus Christ--not a harlot, not bought out of harlotry, not purchased back from adultery, but the virgin bride being prepared for Christ. So don't let these men who profess to be Bible scholars convince you that God is through with the nation of Israel and that there is nothing left for them, they've been cast out and God has placed us in and God is through with them. Not so. God has not finished yet with Israel. Even in the place of the darkest area where God says, "You are not My people, Loammi: not My people," yet in that place God will say, "You are My people." And God is going to restore His work on Israel.

 

[Avinu]

Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel (Hsa 1:10-11).


So in this very place, Jezreel, where God says, "That's it, you're no more My people," in that place God is going to say to them, "You are My people and the number of Israel will be as the sand of the sea." This is a prophecy of the glorious restoration of God's grace, God's love and God's work on the nation of Israel.
Now there are many today who in interpreting the Bible, the New Testament, like to exclude the nation Israel from the grace and the mercy of God. And they declare that God is through with the nation of Israel forever and that the church is now Israel. And Paul, in writing to the church, does make reference to the fact that we who were once alienated had been brought nigh and we have been grafted in and partakers of the fatness of the vine and so forth, and he does speak of our being blessed by God, that is, the church. But it is wrong to say that the church is Israel. Paul says, "We are sons of Abraham through faith," but we are not Israel, nor are we the fulfillment of God's promises to Israel. And to spiritualize and make the church Israel is manifestly wrong and I will give you one reason and you need no more. There are many, but I'll give you one and you'll need no more.

Here in Hosea, in this similitude of Hosea taking a wife and her leaving him and becoming a prostitute, but then God saying to Hosea, "Go and get her again, purchase her and take her again for your wife," precludes the church spiritually being Israel. For the church is the virgin bride adorned and prepared for her husband Jesus Christ--not a harlot, not bought out of harlotry, not purchased back from adultery, but the virgin bride being prepared for Christ. So don't let these men who profess to be Bible scholars convince you that God is through with the nation of Israel and that there is nothing left for them, they've been cast out and God has placed us in and God is through with them. Not so. God has not finished yet with Israel. Even in the place of the darkest area where God says, "You are not My people, Loammi: not My people," yet in that place God will say, "You are My people." And God is going to restore His work on Israel.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. Amen

 

[Laodicea]

If God gave up on the nation of Israel, He'll give up on you too. They are Jews, totally human,
and not of a liberal anti-christ agenda to defy the kingdom of God. You need to repent in
a very serious way.

Romans 11:20-23
(20) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
(21) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
(22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
(23) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.