Can the enemy strike while you are experiencing the holy spirit?

[fromtheriver]

I have experienced the holy spirit at least three times: they all happened when I was in deep sleep.

The first one was when I was a non-believer, (it gave me proof that God was there)
The second one was a month after I was saved, (the holy spirit gave me comfort when I was feeling down)
and the third time was just last night but with a twist: Afterwords, it turned into a nightmare.


The third one was significant to me since it answered me my prayers, and gave me comfort. I prayed for my heart to not feel ashamed about myself, and to keep me strong.
It started by me in my dream laying on my bed and then realizing that God was present. Each time I get these dreams I know its the holy spirit because it feels as if my heart is being opened and the holy spirit rests there. I then hear my voice and another man laughing in happiness and I was simply in serenity. I decided to turn myself around on my bed to face the ceiling and raise my hands and I started to speak in tongues in my dream! But then, something happens. I realize I'm floating from my place, and I'm floating away from my bed. I expect to fall off the bed but instead I start to feel fear and something pulls me from the ceiling and starts pulling me away. I try to move my body so I could go back to my bed but then I realize my body has become paralyzed. I start to freak out and I try to scream for my mom but I couldn't talk, I tried so hard but I couldn't.

Then I wake up, not feeling comfortable to go back to sleep. I called someone close to me and they stayed up late for me, but when I went back to sleep I was just too scared.

When I called that person though, they thought that maybe it was the enemy and my soul was the one being pulled away from the Holy Spirit. But I thought the Holy Spirit was stronger than the enemy


So, can you be attacked by the enemy during the presence of the holy spirit?

 

[MaggieMye]

This dream shows that as you rest in the Lord, you are able to rise to new heights in His Spirit. But a spirit of fear comes to thwart this occurance in your life and interferes with this destiny plan of God for your life. The dream is given so you can know to ask Jesus for His protection and for you to know to take authority over this demonic interference so you can step into the destiny plan that God has for you. Confess all fear as sin, ask for forgiveness, accept it and SEEK the higher realms of the Kingdom of God.
He has given you strategy to step into deeper understandings of His Kingdom! Awesome!
Maggie

 

[Slepsog4]

How do you know that any of it was ever the Holy Spirit?

 

[MaggieMye]

Only if a dream is in black and white and there is an element that metaphorically represents the Holy Spirit, would it NOT be the Holy Spirit. The dreamer makes the identification in the above dream.
Maggie

 

[MahogonySnail]

Can the enemy strike while you are experiencing the holy spirit?

Simple answer, yes.

Biblical support? I believe there is.. what was the next thing that happened to Jesus after he was water baptised and the Spirit came upon Him like a dove?! He was led BY THE SPIRIT to be tempted by the DEVIL!!! Some good christians think the devil can never come near you if you are filled or experience the Spirit... that's simply not true. Yet take comfort in that God is all powerful and the devil is under his control. God may be allowing you to experience some of these things to prepare or train you for spiritual warfare /intercession or tempt you.

I realize I'm floating from my place, and I'm floating away from my bed. I expect to fall off the bed but instead I start to feel fear and something pulls me from the ceiling and starts pulling me away.

That's called a lucid dream. It has a psychological explanation.

I try to move my body so I could go back to my bed but then I realize my body has become paralyzed. I start to freak out and I try to scream for my mom but I couldn't talk, I tried so hard but I couldn't.

That's called sleep paralysis. It also has a psychological explanation.

I've experienced both of these phenomena after intense times of prayer (normal and or tongues) and emotion in the Holy Spirit. I don't know what they are or what causes them, or whether they are purely psychological or spiritual in nature, or both. Psychologically speaking, they say it can happen after periods of intense emotion. It's something to do with how the brain works. That's how the world explains it, there's plenty of website that talk about those things. They occur as you are falling asleep, or upon waking up in the morning.

But it may have a supernatural explanation. I asked some wise christians about these experiences, they said it was an attack of the devil.

During an episode of sleep paralysis I have heard voices, evil voices.

I have experienced a dark evil figure / presence beside my bed before I go to sleep, just one time.

I have dreamed and seen visions of demons.

I woke up one morning after an episode of this sleep paralysis and saw a white figure of a woman on my bed, like a ghost.

Once I was hit in the chest/stomach by a force of energy, feeling of warmth, tingly feeling, which felt nice but I don't believe it was from God.

Once I was tempted in this way by demons to give up my faith, these strong voices in my head said "give up your faith, give up your faith, do it, I dare you ", I said no, never, go away, and prayed to Jesus.

Was I scared?, of course, did I think I was crazy?, yes, did other people tell me I was crazy?, yes, did I think I wasn't experiencing the Spirit as I though?t, yes, did I think I wasn't a christian or something wrong with me?, yes.

Be aware, these things cannot hurt you. I believe if it is supernatural and not purely pscyhological, it is simply the devil trying to put fear into you and intimidate you, next time it happens, say "be gone in Jesus's name", or "help me Jesus", think the same in your thoughts if you are in a lucid dream or paralysis state, Jesus knows your thoughts.

While I think Christians can be intimidated by the devil from time to time, these things happened to me in greater frequency only after this lady prayed for me. I don't know but I think perhaps think that opened up a door to let satan attack , so just be sure to pray against and renounce all evil, be careful who lays hands upon you or prays for you. I felt this lady was not quite right, perhaps I should not have had her pray for me. Not to be paranoid about it though, these things I experienced lasted maybe 4-6 months, every so often, hasn't happened again since. There's a reason why the world or even other christians don't experience these things, because they have no or little experience or the supernatural and think that the devil doesn't exist. But if your mind is tuned more to spiritual things due to greater prevalence in prayer or otherwise, I think we can expect not just to see and experience the good side but the bad side as well.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Only if a dream is in black and white and there is an element that metaphorically represents the Holy Spirit, would it NOT be the Holy Spirit. The dreamer makes the identification in the above dream.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm not sure where the black/white colour thing comes into it I'm a bit skeptical about these ideas, did you learn it from your studies or is that by experience? I believe that the content of a dream is a poor indicator as to the source, so too is the emotions experienced in the dream or afterwards. A dream from God can leave a person shaken and fearful like Daniel was when God revealed the future to him. Not sure about the colours i think they are just features in how the brain/mind works, not really an indication of the source. I believe usually it is only the Holy Spirit or a person with gift of discernment who can say whether or not the dream is from Him or not, or whether the dream is significant enough, regardless of the source. I believe usually if it is significant and from God a voice from heaven, the Spirit's voice, or perhaps an angel speaking will accompany the dream or vision, like with Peter in his visions of unclean animals in Acts 11 or with the men seeking him in Acts 10. But I could be wrong.

 

[MahogonySnail]

The mind is powerful and I've realised that if we focus on icecream a lot we'll probably dream about icecream, similarly if we focus on God a lot and the spiritual world we might have dreams or visions about spiritual things. If we pray in tongues a lot we probably dream about praying in tongues too.
But these may not necessarily be from God or the devil, simply a product of our over-imaginative mind. Because if all the dreams came true that I have had, and were from God and truly prophetic, various things would have happened by now, that have not come to pass as yet. Unless I got the timing wrong. So I put it down to my over-active mind.

 

[MaggieMye]

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm not sure where the black/white colour thing comes into it I'm a bit skeptical about these ideas, did you learn it from your studies or is that by experience? I learned this in my studies….John Paul Jackson has over 25 years of research to back up his teachings. I. personally, have never had a black and white dream…at least not that I recall. I believe that the content of a dream is a poor indicator as to the source, so too is the emotions experienced in the dream or afterwards. Dreams are not literal in their meaning, they are metaphorical. And the emotions of the dreamer, especially during the dream, are Very important because there could be an element in a dream, that in and of itself, is neutral, like a dog, for instance. But the emotion of the dreamer tells us if it is positive (dog would represent a friend) or negative (dog would represent and evil spirit) A dream from God can leave a person shaken and fearful like Daniel was when God revealed the future to him. True. But God gives those dreams so that we will ask Him for strategy. Almost all dreams are given for the purpose of praying. Not sure about the colours i think they are just features in how the brain/mind works, not really an indication of the source. You can think whatever. But when you study Biblical dream interpretation, you will find that the seasoned Christians who have written on the subject agree. All the dreams in the Bible were in color and we know that because of the detail given.
I believe usually it is only the Holy Spirit or a person with gift of discernment who can say whether or not the dream is from Him or not, or whether the dream is significant enough, regardless of the source. Holy Spirit, always. But the ‘gift’ is interpretations, which includes the interpreting of tongues. Scripture says ‘Ask and ye shall receive’ and there are no restrictions, other than to be in the will of the Father. So if you desire to understand dreams, put in the effort to learn and also ask Him for the gifting. For it is His divine pleasure to give gifts to His children. I believe usually if it is significant and from God a voice from heaven, the Spirit's voice, or perhaps an angel speaking will accompany the dream or vision, like with Peter in his visions of unclean animals in Acts 11 or with the men seeking him in Acts 10. But I could be wrong. No. And the dreams of the Bible support that that is not always so; sometimes, but not always.
The mind is powerful and I've realised that if we focus on ice cream a lot we'll probably dream about icecream, This would be called a ‘Soul’ dream. Soul dreams are when a persons real life experiences, hope, fears, and desires are mixed and played out in their dreams. There is no spiritual meaning to this type of dream because it originates in the soul. A soul dream can, however, reveal to the dreamer, their TRUE feelings about an issue. similarly if we focus on God a lot and the spiritual world we might have dreams or visions about spiritual things. If we pray in tongues a lot we probably dream about praying in tongues too. All things are possible with God!!
But these may not necessarily be from God or the devil, simply a product of our over-imaginative mind. Because if all the dreams came true that I have had, and were from God and truly prophetic, various things would have happened by now, that have not come to pass as yet. Unless I got the timing wrong. So I put it down to my over-active mind. Like I said before, there are about 20 types of dreams, all allowed by God for His purposes, but not all are FROM God. Dreams are metaphorical while VISIONS are literal in their meaning. All dreams are allowed or given so that we will know to pray: to understand, to change or cancel the plans of the enemy; to grow in wisdom, to correct an ungodly behavior, etc.
...and of course, it helps that when He speaks to us this way....we can't give Him any backtalk!!~~~~~~~Maggie

 

[Baruch]

I have experienced the holy spirit at least three times: they all happened when I was in deep sleep.

The first one was when I was a non-believer, (it gave me proof that God was there)
The second one was a month after I was saved, (the holy spirit gave me comfort when I was feeling down)
and the third time was just last night but with a twist: Afterwords, it turned into a nightmare.


The third one was significant to me since it answered me my prayers, and gave me comfort. I prayed for my heart to not feel ashamed about myself, and to keep me strong.
It started by me in my dream laying on my bed and then realizing that God was present. Each time I get these dreams I know its the holy spirit because it feels as if my heart is being opened and the holy spirit rests there. I then hear my voice and another man laughing in happiness and I was simply in serenity. I decided to turn myself around on my bed to face the ceiling and raise my hands and I started to speak in tongues in my dream! But then, something happens. I realize I'm floating from my place, and I'm floating away from my bed. I expect to fall off the bed but instead I start to feel fear and something pulls me from the ceiling and starts pulling me away. I try to move my body so I could go back to my bed but then I realize my body has become paralyzed. I start to freak out and I try to scream for my mom but I couldn't talk, I tried so hard but I couldn't.

Then I wake up, not feeling comfortable to go back to sleep. I called someone close to me and they stayed up late for me, but when I went back to sleep I was just too scared.

When I called that person though, they thought that maybe it was the enemy and my soul was the one being pulled away from the Holy Spirit. But I thought the Holy Spirit was stronger than the enemy


So, can you be attacked by the enemy during the presence of the holy spirit?

I am with Slepsog4 on this one. None of what you had experienced was the Holy Spirit.

God will send the Holy Spirit for one reason: that is when you were baptized by Jesus Christ when you came to the Son and believed on Jesus for eternal life. This baptism does not need to be flamboyant like in the Book of Acts as Jesus said this:

John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So you feeling the presence of the "Holy Spirit" is not in line with the purpose of the Holy Spirit. He is to abide in you forever once you came to Jesus. He will not draw attention to Himself for He will not speak of Himself,...

John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

.... but to testify of Jesus as He is leading us to do as well.

John 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

If you will note the witness factor for man:.. so will it be for the Holy Spirit.

John 5:31If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 3:28Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30He must increase, but I must decrease.

John 7:18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

The Holy Spirit witnesses as faithful witnesses are to do so He can do this:

John 16:14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Because this is the will of God the Father:

Philippians 2: 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

We are led by the Holy Spirit to specifically do this one thing in coming To God the Father in worship.

John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The only way to glorify God the Father is through the Son Whom the Holy Spirit is leading us to do.

John 13: 31Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

So the Holy Spirit will not be making His Presence known and thus drawing attention to "himself". But other spirits will as they seek to place themselves inbetween us and Jesus to relate to, but we will know the Holy Spirit by Him being in us, not outside as if inbetween us and God for Jesus is the ONLY Mediator between God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Make no mistake. False teachings would promote the Holy Spirit into the worship place and offer invitations as if God gave them to come directly to the Holy Spirit when He did not. To avoid false spirits, all invitations points to the Son.

John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This is specific as Jesus describes any other door to relate to God the Father is not of the will of the Father.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

So any spirit coming inbetween you and Jesus is a thief and not the Holy Spirit.

John 10:7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

So beware seducing spirits as they will turn on you as you have noted.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Believers are instructed to be aware and not just go with the flow of any presence coming into the worship place or at home or anywhere.

1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. ....3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

That means any spirit felt in the world as in outside of you. Now that you have been saved, what need for the Holy Spirit to be felt outside of you when He is in you? That is as close as anyone can be to God the Holy Spirit. You cannot get closer. He is in us to lead us to learn of Jesus through the scriptures so that our love may abound yet more and more in the knowledge of Him, Our Bridegroom and our first love. We hold to this faith below so our eyes are on the Son, Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Fear not though. Rest in His promise below that you can call on Jesus anytime for help.

1 John 4:4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

My folks took me to an Ernest Angeley Crusade as he was purported to have a healing ministry. To make a long story short, he would call for the Holy Spirit to come for this to happen and all I got out of it was my deaf ear tickling and I so wanted to be healed. The next day after school, I was unusually tired so I took a nap. When I woke up, what sounded like an electrical humming was being heard as I found myself unable to move as I was paralyzed. I started praying to Jesus for help, and then I was able to flip my right wrist, then the left one in my trying to move, and then I was able to lift the hand up by flipping my wrist more and then the other one. Still praying to Jesus... as I found myself lifting my forearm off of the bed and then the other one. By the time I was lifting my right arm along with my right shoulder blade off of the bed, then the weight was removed from me as I was exhausted, but my paralysis was gone.

Later on in years, I saw on television of charismatic leaders calling for the Holy Spirit to come, causing some people to be struck mute in mid-sentence as they applaud that as being of God while others are struck down and pinned so they cannot move, and then I realize what had happened to me and why Jesus said.. "don't go there.." when they say he is in the upper room or in the desert.. or here.. or there. Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well that a time will come when they will not go to Jerusalem nor to the mountains to worship God the Father for those that worship Him shall do so IN spirit and IN truth, meaning our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit now as we can worship Hi wherever for He is with us always as promised by Jesus.

So we need to test the spirits, sister. May the Lord help you to do this and know what is not of Him so you can rest in Him knowing that He is with you always.

Matthew 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ....... 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. .....9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ..... 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ...6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Hebrews 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

I know that this is long, but it sounds like you needed help.

Ephesians 6: 10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Some wayward believers make supplication OUT of the Spirit as they call for the "spirit" to come, but we do so in the Spirit and thus our eyes are on Jesus in prayer.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Not sure about the colours i think they are just features in how the brain/mind works, not really an indication of the source. You can think whatever. But when you study Biblical dream interpretation, you will find that the seasoned Christians who have written on the subject agree. All the dreams in the Bible were in color and we know that because of the detail given.

All dreams in the bible were in colour because most people dream in colour. Most people dream in colour, because we see colour all around us, the ones who dream in B&W probably don't notice or remember the colours. They didnt believe people could have black and white dreams until the invention of the black and white television in the 60's, ever since then, since people know what a black and white world looks like, they recognise black and white in their dreams. I have also read that black and white dreams may indicate a dream about the past. B& W dreams may mean a person doesnt have as much imagination. They can indicate depression. When we recall a dream, we often recall it in shades of grey due to how our mind works. It is still very subjective and not a very good test. To say that colour is from God and biblical and black and white isn't, is just silly.

 

[MahogonySnail]

JP Jackson and others might have evidence or research about the colour thing, but research needs to be interpreted properly, and correlated variables often corrupt the interpretations. I don't think colour is a very robust indicator of such things.

 

[MaggieMye]

All dreams in the bible were in colour because most people dream in colour. And you know this how? Truth is most unsaved people dream in muted colors, because they are not yet commutating with God and there dreams emanate from their souls Most people dream in colour, because we see colour all around us, the ones who dream in B&W probably don't notice or remember the colours. From what premise do you argue this? Have you read any books on dreams written by Christian authors? Have you thoroughly studied the dreams in the Bible? They didn't believe people could have black and white dreams until the invention of the black and white television in the 60's, ever since then, since people know what a black and white world looks like, they recognize black and white in their dreams. This is your opinion lacking research. I have also read that black and white dreams may indicate a dream about the past. What was the source of that info? Was the author a born again believer or was it a new age book? B& W dreams may mean a person doesnt have as much imagination. God created us to dream so that He could relay His thoughts on any given matter in our lives to us. He is very creative in the dreams He gives us. Satan on the other hand, is 'creative' but only in that he imitates what God has already created,…satan does nothing new. The soul, simply uses our real life experiences, so where do you get the idea that a black and white dream is for someone who lacks imagination?? Black and white dreams are TYPES of dreams that are had by people that normally dream in full color.They can indicate depression. No, they do not. Again, I ask from what source do you get your information? When we recall a dream, we often recall it in shades of grey due to how our mind works. Again, not true. Ask people about their dreams…ask your family and friends if they dream in color. Ask them if they remember any dreams that were in dull colors…or in black and white. When people remember their dreams, they usually do remember the coloration of it…not always, but usually. It is still very subjective and not a very good test. The 'test' is how the interpretation resonates in the dreamer's spirit and heart. When a proper and accurate interpretation is given, the dreamer knows by the Holy Spirit that the message is correct. To say that colour is from God and biblical and black and white isn't, is just silly. Again, your opinion, without study or research.

JP Jackson and others might have evidence or research about the colour thing, but research needs to be interpreted properly, and correlated variables often corrupt the interpretations. I don't think colour is a very robust indicator of such things. Just take some time, get out your concordance and look up the word 'dream'. Read the dreams and then read their interpretations. Study them. See the metaphors. Pray and ask God for understanding. Interpretation belongs to the Lord, but He is very willing to share that with us so that even the lost will come to know Him.
Maggie
You live in Australia? I could send you some teachings on CD, if you like. Do you have Amazon.com for books?

 

[imoss]

what about visions in black & white? When praying about a tumultuous relationship I have with my motherinlaw I had a vision of a jagged grey rock being turned and tossed until it was polished, smooth & oval (not round if it would have been from me i would have made it round) I interpreted this as the turmoil in my life polishing me as a Christian because of my reliance on the Lord to get me through. So does the black & white thing hold true in visions because I was certain this was from the Lord. Anyone know why the Lord made the rock oval instead of round?

 

[MahogonySnail]

thanks for the info Maggie I have access to JP Jackson books thankyou . I haven't lookd at the ins and outs of dreams to such detail maybe it is right dont know.

 

[MaggieMye]

iimoss: In honestly, I don't know! But I'll ask the master dream interpreters and get back to you.
Maggie

 

[fromtheriver]

Well, I guess it might not be the Holy Spirit from what everyone seems to be telling me here but somehow I still feel its part of God.

But what kept me going that it is because the last two times I asked God for the Holy Spirit, and I asked him and prayed for him with modesty and willingness to learn more about his word. And I didn't stop believe it was the Holy Spirit in me in that dream where I felt something somewhat bright but like it came from my chest giving me comfort and strength, other words I felt it IN me not coming to me.
And the first time, now that I think about it, I did believe God could exist (agnostic) but I was so scared and lost because I thought "if he's real why is it that I'm the only one who can't believe that the bible is by God and I'm not getting any signs that he's there?". Maybe I did pray, maybe I didn't. But I did wish for a sign since I was so depressed at the time.

As for Baruch, you brought many good points. I can honestly say, I don't know much about the Holy Spirit but that came into my mind the first time I felt it: that it was from God. I spoke to my mother about how it felt and she told me it was the holy spirit. I didn't know thought that the Holy Spirit is with you the first time you let Christ into your life though.

And the dreams that I explained to you all, was the only one where it turns bad.
But maybe it was a test from him, after all right after the dream I felt stupid because instead of calling out for Jesus Christ I called for my mom instead.

But one thing I ask, How can you then if it really is the Holy Spirit you feel? I might sound stupid, but somehow I can't let go this was part of God because the first dream was the one that made me feel secure about God and to get closer to him. The second one kept me calm from the disaster I was going through. But the third one, was confusing. So what would be the explanation/s (I know I can't get this answer exactly right but only can tell) for the third one?

 

[Baruch]

Well, I guess it might not be the Holy Spirit from what everyone seems to be telling me here but somehow I still feel its part of God.

All believers are to test the spirits. Not just you. We are not to believe every spirit.

But what kept me going that it is because the last two times I asked God for the Holy Spirit, and I asked him and prayed for him with modesty and willingness to learn more about his word. And I didn't stop believe it was the Holy Spirit in me in that dream where I felt something somewhat bright but like it came from my chest giving me comfort and strength, other words I felt it IN me not coming to me.

If that was of the Lord, then I would take that to mean that He is telling you that the Holy Spirit is in you and you need not ask for the Holy Spirit again.

And the first time, now that I think about it, I did believe God could exist (agnostic) but I was so scared and lost because I thought "if he's real why is it that I'm the only one who can't believe that the bible is by God and I'm not getting any signs that he's there?". Maybe I did pray, maybe I didn't. But I did wish for a sign since I was so depressed at the time.

That was probably the time you made youtself susceptible to other spirits by looking for a sign. Trust the Lord to direct your footsteps, no matter what you purpose in your heart to do.

As for Baruch, you brought many good points. I can honestly say, I don't know much about the Holy Spirit but that came into my mind the first time I felt it: that it was from God. I spoke to my mother about how it felt and she told me it was the holy spirit. I didn't know thought that the Holy Spirit is with you the first time you let Christ into your life though.

Some believers may get upset over you using the word "it" in regards to the Holy Spirit, so trust Jesus to help you use the word "he" or "him" in reference towards the Holy Spirit to be a better witness. We all need Him to make our conversation aright.

In any event, here are the scriptures that you do receive the Holy Spirit the moment you believed in Jesus for He is given by promise by Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Some wayward believers like to relive the Day of Pentecost over and over again, but we are to press forward with our eyes on Jesus Whom the Holy Spirit is pointing us to go to... and to look for.

Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit.

Philippians 3: 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

And the dreams that I explained to you all, was the only one where it turns bad.
But maybe it was a test from him, after all right after the dream I felt stupid because instead of calling out for Jesus Christ I called for my mom instead.

No need to berate yourself. I've done it sometime earlier this year waking up from a nightmare and voiced a weak call out for my mother. Fortunately, it was not loud enough as so I was able to save face. Wounded soldiers in the battlefield have called out for their mothers because they are scared. Trust Jesus also in that for the next time you get scared that He will enable you to call on Him. By the grace of God we live by faith in the Son of God.

But one thing I ask, How can you then if it really is the Holy Spirit you feel? I might sound stupid, but somehow I can't let go this was part of God because the first dream was the one that made me feel secure about God and to get closer to him. The second one kept me calm from the disaster I was going through. But the third one, was confusing. So what would be the explanation/s (I know I can't get this answer exactly right but only can tell) for the third one?

Asak Jesus to help you let go, forgetting what is behind and press forward in the relationship you have now in Jesus Christ.

In another thread, a believer wondered if it was important to remember when she was saved. Those that responded gave the general reply that it does not matter as long as she believes now... which is true. No need to cling to a solitary memory or have a definite beginning. You are a believer in Jesus Christ now and so let us follow Our Good Shepherd as we learn of Jesus through the scriptures so our love for Him may abound yet more and more in the knowledge of Him for He is our first love: the Bridegroom.

 

[fromtheriver]

All believers are to test the spirits. Not just you. We are not to believe every spirit.



If that was of the Lord, then I would take that to mean that He is telling you that the Holy Spirit is in you and you need not ask for the Holy Spirit again.



That was probably the time you made youtself susceptible to other spirits by looking for a sign. Trust the Lord to direct your footsteps, no matter what you purpose in your heart to do.



Some believers may get upset over you using the word "it" in regards to the Holy Spirit, so trust Jesus to help you use the word "he" or "him" in reference towards the Holy Spirit to be a better witness. We all need Him to make our conversation aright.

In any event, here are the scriptures that you do receive the Holy Spirit the moment you believed in Jesus for He is given by promise by Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Some wayward believers like to relive the Day of Pentecost over and over again, but we are to press forward with our eyes on Jesus Whom the Holy Spirit is pointing us to go to... and to look for.

Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit.

Philippians 3: 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.




No need to berate yourself. I've done it sometime earlier this year waking up from a nightmare and voiced a weak call out for my mother. Fortunately, it was not loud enough as so I was able to save face. Wounded soldiers in the battlefield have called out for their mothers because they are scared. Trust Jesus also in that for the next time you get scared that He will enable you to call on Him. By the grace of God we live by faith in the Son of God.



Asak Jesus to help you let go, forgetting what is behind and press forward in the relationship you have now in Jesus Christ.

In another thread, a believer wondered if it was important to remember when she was saved. Those that responded gave the general reply that it does not matter as long as she believes now... which is true. No need to cling to a solitary memory or have a definite beginning. You are a believer in Jesus Christ now and so let us follow Our Good Shepherd as we learn of Jesus through the scriptures so our love for Him may abound yet more and more in the knowledge of Him for He is our first love: the Bridegroom.

You're right, why do I need to know if it was or not? I shoudn't be putting my attention on the Holy Spirit but on Jesus Christ, and to learn and grow by his word.

Thank you

 

[Hummingbird61]

I have been reading this thread and your responses sound like some kind of spiritism but not from God. God tells us to test the spirits to see if they are from Him. A lot of people have been deceived this way. Be careful with this.

 

[Aliciaforjesus]

I have experienced the holy spirit at least three times: they all happened when I was in deep sleep.

The first one was when I was a non-believer, (it gave me proof that God was there)
The second one was a month after I was saved, (the holy spirit gave me comfort when I was feeling down)
and the third time was just last night but with a twist: Afterwords, it turned into a nightmare.


The third one was significant to me since it answered me my prayers, and gave me comfort. I prayed for my heart to not feel ashamed about myself, and to keep me strong.
It started by me in my dream laying on my bed and then realizing that God was present. Each time I get these dreams I know its the holy spirit because it feels as if my heart is being opened and the holy spirit rests there. I then hear my voice and another man laughing in happiness and I was simply in serenity. I decided to turn myself around on my bed to face the ceiling and raise my hands and I started to speak in tongues in my dream! But then, something happens. I realize I'm floating from my place, and I'm floating away from my bed. I expect to fall off the bed but instead I start to feel fear and something pulls me from the ceiling and starts pulling me away. I try to move my body so I could go back to my bed but then I realize my body has become paralyzed. I start to freak out and I try to scream for my mom but I couldn't talk, I tried so hard but I couldn't.

Then I wake up, not feeling comfortable to go back to sleep. I called someone close to me and they stayed up late for me, but when I went back to sleep I was just too scared.

When I called that person though, they thought that maybe it was the enemy and my soul was the one being pulled away from the Holy Spirit. But I thought the Holy Spirit was stronger than the enemy


So, can you be attacked by the enemy during the presence of the holy spirit?

Greater is He that lives in you than He that lives in the world.
Some times we are shown spiritual warfare, in the spirit, and it's a call to pray!
Our fight is not agaisnt flesh and blood.
Pray!
No weapon formed against you shall prosper, in Jesus name!
There is power in the word of God, fear is not of God.

So tell it to go, in Jesus name!