Harry is evil

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etiennemarais

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Reacently I read a letter in the TV Plus where a reader spoke up against Harry Potter. As a Christian I wish to state that the Bible clearly tells us to have nothing to do with witchcraft.
When I was 14 years old I had the most terrible experience. For a long time I heard voices that repeated over and over: 'Harry must go.' As a Christian I would like to warn people who are crazy about Harry Potter. Rather stay away before you also have to experience the trauma that I did.
I am praying for the salvation of everyone involved with Harry Potter some way or another. I've also sent e-mails to some of them to tell them that God loves them and that I will keep on praying for their salvation.
 
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SamIam

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ohh so specifically the name harry is not evil....... pheeew was a bit worried there.. one of my friends name is harry. Thought i was gonna have to tell him he was EVIL
 
etiennemarais

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Samiam I meen the Harry Potter books and movies is evil. There is witchcraft in and the Bible clearly tells us to have nothing to do with witchcraft. The Harry Potter books and movies is extreamly daingerous and as a Christian I beliefe that the Bible clearly tells us to have nothing to do with witchcraft.
 
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SamIam

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thank you for clearing that up
 
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ariannaaa

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ok well im not 'obsessed' with harry potter but i take care of kids alot and end up seeing it by osmosis, and i donttt think its evil to watch.

yes, the bible says we should not be involved in witchcraft. but watching the movies alone is not involving yourself in witchcraft.
the bible also says we should not be involved in murder, or gossip. does this mean watching movies with murder and gossip in them counts as participating in those too? because if it does id be willing to bet the vast majority of us are now murderers for indulging in a scary movie- or even law and order episode- once in awhile.

since harry potter is for mere entertainment, saying it is is evil is making a much larger claim if you wish to be consistent in your principles: Any movie that portrays any type of sin whatsoever is evil.

on the other hand, if witchcraft is a particular stumbling block for you, by all means don't watch it. but in general, it is fantasy. thats all.

but im sorry you feel that way =( hope my response didn't offend you or make you think im evil.



on a side note, the name harry in itself does sound evil to me. lose the friend, sam. people with the name harry have been known to garden demon plants.
 
Soldier_Of_Christ

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Interesting logic. Evil is wrong, but its perfectly fine to derive our enjoyment from fictional evil entertainment?

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1:32

Sounds to me like evil is evil. If we "need" evil in our entertainment heaven would be a rather boring place. I simply cannot imagine God banning all evil, but allowing fictional evil merely for entertainment purposes. If we are to pray for God's will to be done on earth as it is in heaven, do we follow through with our actions? If we pray that prayer then go watch a movie that uses ungodly things to entertain us, how is that not hypocrisy? Since when does fiction make evil okay?

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:5

God was upset with their imaginations? Isn't imaginary/fictional okay?

These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him... - An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations..."
Proverbs 6:16, 18

God hates the heart that thinks up wicked imaginations.

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Their heart lost the light and was darkened because of the vanity of their imaginations? God really does care about imaginary fictional things.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:5

There we go. We are commanded to cast down imaginations or anything else that is contrary to the knowledge of God. The Bible, God's knowledge, says that witchcraft is wicked and therefore we should cast down even the imaginary representations of it. Those thoughts are not in obedience to Christ and were devised by a heart that God hates.

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Ephesians 5:8-12

We used to be in darkness, but now have light. Why darken our light with the vanity of wicked imaginations. We should prove with our actions what is acceptable to the Lord. In other words people should be able to look at our lives and be able to know what God approves of by what we allow or disallow. But it would be shameful for people professing godliness to even be speaking about the unfruitful works of darkness unless we are reproving them.

May God bless us with spiritual understanding in his word by his Holy Spirit in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
 
Kakashi

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etiennemarais said:
Reacently I read a letter in the TV Plus where a reader spoke up against Harry Potter. As a Christian I wish to state that the Bible clearly tells us to have nothing to do with witchcraft.
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Define "witchcraft". Does watching fictional witchcraft counts? What about "Cinderella" or any Disney movie that involves some sort of magic, does that count?
 
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I don't think Harry Potter is really wrong.... to an extent if you are reading it like a story it should not be a problem. But if you "love" the books imagine yourself as Harry or Hermione then it's go a little too far, and you should remove yourself from the books lest you fall into the temptation of witchcraft. I have read the books but I will not read them again because I wanted to be in their world. When I was twelve I checked the mail every day for a Hogwarts letter, so now that I am a christian I have removed it from my mind, and will not allow myself to be tempted by Harry Potter again. That being said I do not hold anything against a person who reads the books understanding that is a fictional book
 
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I guess this could bring up the topic, if people use evil means to accomplish good, are they considered good or evil?
 
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Grimaldus said:
I guess this could bring up the topic, if people use evil means to accomplish good, are they considered good or evil?
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By biblical standerds, using evil to accomplish "good' isn't the answer. The bible says to defeat evil with good, not evil.

For instance, I work with this co-worker who has a bad attitude constantly. Now, i could be snaggy and sarcastic all day long and mean right back at her in attempts to shut her up. However, when she is mean to me, I am good right back to her ( most of the tim, I slip up ya know? lol) and this leaves her silent cause theres not much she can say to a person being nice to her when she is mean to me and the fire goes out when there is no gas added.
 
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ariannaaa

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Interesting logic. Evil is wrong, but its perfectly fine to derive our enjoyment from fictional evil entertainment?

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1:32

Yes, it is just fine to enjoy that entertainement, precisely because Romans 1:32 does not say "but have pleasure in them that watch them." Lucky for us watching Harry Potter comes no where near 'commiting' those things worthy of death.

Sounds to me like evil is evil. If we "need" evil in our entertainment heaven would be a rather boring place. I simply cannot imagine God banning all evil, but allowing fictional evil merely for entertainment purposes. If we are to pray for God's will to be done on earth as it is in heaven, do we follow through with our actions? If we pray that prayer then go watch a movie that uses ungodly things to entertain us, how is that not hypocrisy? Since when does fiction make evil okay?

If you think evil in entertainement is wrong, then I assume you have no cable and do not watch movies. Because give me a movie and I will find the lie, sex, murder, gossip, pride, theif, etc. in any one you hand me. Are those all not named as evil? What gives anyone the right to choose which evil is "ok" for us to watch and which aren't? I can assure you the bible doesn't pick and choose like that.

And I mentioned consistency in my post, and if you truly do not watch any entertainment like this- not only Harry Potter- because you feel this principle is biblical, then by all means more power to you. You have quite the will power.

If you are not doing the aforementioned, however, you're being incredibly inconsistent.

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:5

God was upset with their imaginations? Isn't imaginary/fictional okay?

These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him... - An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations..."
Proverbs 6:16, 18

God hates the heart that thinks up wicked imaginations.

Yes. He does. So why don't you email J.K. Rowling?
Considering that the vast amount of people across the United States who watch Harry Potter aren't the ones whose imagination have thought him up. And like I said in my past post, if it is a stumbling block for you, and you are so immersed in Harry Potter that you're imagination begins to fabricate similar things, then don't watch it. But if you're anything like the majority, and can watch it without dreaming about wizardy and quidditch then I think you're going to be safe.

The reason that someone's 'wicked imagination' can be troubling is because out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. So if your heart is filled with wickedness, your imagination will become wicked. If that says something about J.K. Rowling I don't know but it certainly says nothing about the people who watch a movie for a 2 hour amusement. From watching it, I have not started to have an evil imagination of any sort.

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Their heart lost the light and was darkened because of the vanity of their imaginations? God really does care about imaginary fictional things.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:5

There we go. We are commanded to cast down imaginations or anything else that is contrary to the knowledge of God. The Bible, God's knowledge, says that witchcraft is wicked and therefore we should cast down even the imaginary representations of it. Those thoughts are not in obedience to Christ and were devised by a heart that God hates.

Right but we are not devising them! We are to cast down wicked thought in our OWN hearts! Honestly I'm glad you referenced all these scriptures because I wasn't aware that there were so many that referenced imagination but as far as this conversation goes they are irrlevent. We are not debating what should be coming out of your heart or your own imagination. We are debating whether or not being a bystander of someone else who has done that is wrong.

For instance: Snow White. Fictional story... started in someone's 'imagination.' In the movie there is lying, drugs, violence, attempted murder. Is Snow White evil? Should we not watch it for entertainment because the person who thought the movie up may not have had the purest of thoughts when deciding what would make people laugh? If you truly think that than you are far more legalistic than I (not that thats a bad thing- it can be a great thing with the right balance) but then thats a different debate entirely, I believe.

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Ephesians 5:8-12

We used to be in darkness, but now have light. Why darken our light with the vanity of wicked imaginations. We should prove with our actions what is acceptable to the Lord. In other words people should be able to look at our lives and be able to know what God approves of by what we allow or disallow. But it would be shameful for people professing godliness to even be speaking about the unfruitful works of darkness unless we are reproving them.

But its FICTION. its not like Harry Potter is REALLY at Hogwarts right now drinking tea and playing quidditch with an ogre or something. Its fantasy! If it WERE real trust me I would be very concerned for Harry. But it is NOT. Watching a make believe movie because it is enjoyable is not contradicting the actions we should have as Christians. We are not speaking about works of darkness. We are speaking about a movie. And if witchcraft is not a personal stumbling block for you, there is no reason Christians should feel condemned for watching a make believe MOVIE.

I do not think that your scriptures applied to this topic since they were not about bystanding but all of them about personal wicked imagination. But I appreciate you posting them and thank you for your input. I know sometimes typing can come across in the wrong tone and I hope you know that I meant nothing in a rude or inconsiderate way and I look forward to your response. :) have a good day.

May God bless us with spiritual understanding in his word by his Holy Spirit in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
 
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Do you know that the woman how wrote those books used to be homeless? and then she was inspired to write those book? That is what I heard.

All, I know is this....

How many people from watching those movies ended up thinking spell casting was cool, and or something they might want to do?

What does the Bible say about witchcraft?

Does it says it's ok if the Movie is really cool and has allot of special effect? NO.
Pawned. It does not.

PaWn the devil for CHIRST.....
 
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if Dirty Harry does turn out to be evil by popular demand and if he turns out to be a small child, not only would he be evil but disobedient, but then again can evil and disobedient be synonyms?
 
Kakashi

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SethSethSeth said:
Do you know that the woman how wrote those books used to be homeless? and then she was inspired to write those book? That is what I heard.

All, I know is this....

How many people from watching those movies ended up thinking spell casting was cool, and or something they might want to do?

What does the Bible say about witchcraft?

Does it says it's ok if the Movie is really cool and has allot of special effect? NO.
Pawned. It does not.

PaWn the devil for CHIRST.....
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Did movies exist back then?
 
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What about Harry and the Hendersons. Are they evil to just by association??
 
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torotoro

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Larry and Harry and anything that rhymes with ry would also be evil then if we follow the association rule
 
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SamIam

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i feel bad for jerry cary mary barry gary and perry then.
 
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torotoro

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Kerry, Sherry, Mary, Bobry, Jamesry, Julietry, man, all those people
 
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