Islam. Good or evil?

[Brandon777]

How much do we actually know about Islam to say it's so evil? Do you know that Muslims say that the Quran is against the violence of 911? Do you also know that people often see Muhammad in visions and Muslims are often healed by their prayers to Allah? A Muslim told me this. Now I know most people reading this don't know that much about their own religion, but assuming you know plenty about Christianity you must have noticed how confusing and contradictory it is. I'm not convinced that Islam is any better. I'm at a loss.

 

[Chinekwu]

That's what THEY say....
I've heard testimonies ( live testimonies) of muslims that got converted....Scary testimonies....You do not want to hear what they had to say,trust me!
Apart from hearing,I've watched on t.v....
Prayed to Allah.. and got healed??? I'm sorry but I'm finding it difficult to believe....
Against the 9/11 violence?? and yet it happened??

 

[Brandon777]

That's what THEY say....
I've heard testimonies ( live testimonies) of muslims that got converted....Scary testimonies....You do not want to hear what they had to say,trust me!
Apart from hearing,I've watched on t.v....
Prayed to Allah.. and got healed??? I'm sorry but I'm finding it difficult to believe....
Against the 9/11 violence?? and yet it happened??

I don't easily scare. Trust me, I want to know the story. Obviously the people who were a part of the 911 attacks thought they were doing good according to Islam, but the vast majority of Muslims disagree with their beliefs. You think Islam is that different from Christianity? There are 30,000 different registered denominations in Christianity. There are also people who interpret the Quran differently.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Simple and centered question, what do they do with Jesus? Answer: He is not God or Lord or Logos or considered highly as an adhered to prophet, maybe but more probably
not a secondary prophet yes, but not a major prophet in their beliefs.
What do they do with Jesus? Why listen to testimonies or miracles to answered prayers to Allah cause doubts to whether they also can come to the Father through some other way? The greatest center of God's heart is not only eternal God logos Jesus' sacrifice, of which is the total mind of God's wisdom, but God the Father’s sacrifice painfully to send Him away to earth to take our: judgment, sins, lost condition, hopelessness, and separation from Him upon His only birth Son, why is there a doubt a ambiguity a perfect delusion that is greater than Jesus?

 

[Ugly]

How much do we actually know about Islam to say it's so evil? Do you know that Muslims say that the Quran is against the violence of 911? Do you also know that people often see Muhammad in visions and Muslims are often healed by their prayers to Allah? A Muslim told me this. Now I know most people reading this don't know that much about their own religion, but assuming you know plenty about Christianity you must have noticed how confusing and contradictory it is. I'm not convinced that Islam is any better. I'm at a loss.

So because one muslim tells you they have healings then bam, it must be true? You accept that as fact with no proof or evidence?
A friend of mine who's looked a bit into muslim religion discovered that the koran does encourage people to lie about the violence of the koran. Telling them to publically denounce it while still inwardly supporting it. Something to consider.

 

[JimJimmers]

Brandon, I prostrated myself before an image of George Hamilton, and my third nostril disappeared instantly. Do you believe me?

 

[koolcas]

Brandon, I prostrated myself before an image of George Hamilton, and my third nostril disappeared instantly. Do you believe me?

HaHa..very witty jimjimmers.
anyway brandon, if you really know the truth, you will understand that anything that leads people away from the truth, no matter how innocent looking and harmless is disastrous. There is only one way, there is only one name given among men by which we must be saved.
oh and the devil can do pretty good imitations in the healing dept.

 

[episcopotic]

I would rather a person faithfully practice Islam than simply disregard everything it teaches. Belief in God, prayer, charity to the poor, abstention from alcohol and abstention from meaningless sex, belief in the afterlife, judgment, the resurrection, jihad al-akbar...

But Christianity and Islam have such a long and bloody history together. The conversation is essentially over, especially in the current climate.

 

[Perk]

It is not of God, thus it is against God, thus it is evil.

 

[mm]

Hi Brandon, I know exactly how you feel. I have more muslim friends than christian friends. They are really good people and they are also against those terrorism acts such as the 9/11. I havent really read through the quran but what I know, there's a story of Jesus as well in their Quran, but they only recognize Him as one of many disciples. Not higher than Muhammad for sure.
I am not in a position to say whether it's good or evil, but their quran does not say 'love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use, and persecute you'. For me, that is more than enough of an explanation

 

[jimmydiggs]

Islam rejects Christ.

 

[Timofree]

There's no doubting the enemy has power..........see the magicians in Egypt as they copied many of God's signs through Moses. But yes, Jesus is the only way, anything that says otherwise is evil

 

[Chinekwu]

Was watching this program-'Sid Roth's-It's Supernatural' just a few hours ago and suddenly this thread came back to mind..
Surprisingly,his guests were former muslims,two of them actually,(from different parts of the world) who got personal visitations from Jesus Christ telling them that they should step out of the darkness into the light and that HE is the WAY...
Both of them said that muslims are made to believe that christians are the 'BAD GUYS'...One of them said something like 'muslims don't believe in Jesus because God couldn't have had a son and that God having a son shows/signifies weakness and that their Allah isn't weak...
They do not know Christ...they have no knowledge of Him
The Bible tells us that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all
In my country,a muslim sect-Boko Haram (that's what they call themselves) have killed countless christians,families killed,babies being burnt alive,
Beginning of this year,churches were being bombed almost EVERY sunday when they knew christians would be worshipping...christians esp the youths being slaughtered......We've lost countless people!! They told us plainly that they wont stop until the country is Islamised!
Now,this is the same Allah that supposedly heals??? and appears to people in visions??? OK.....
ok.

 

[episcopotic]

I am not in a position to say whether it's good or evil, but their quran does not say 'love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use, and persecute you'. For me, that is more than enough of an explanation

Perhaps not in those precise words, but there is a lot in the Quran about patience and forgiveness. As examples:

3:143: Those who control their anger and are forgiving towards people; Allah loves the good.

5:13: Pardon them and overlook; Allah loves those who do good.

41:34-35: Repel evil with what is better: while there was hatred between the two of you, he will become as if he were your friend and intimate companion.

42:43: And whoever is patient and forgives - indeed, this will require judgment.

43:89: Turn from them and say, ‘peace.’ They will know their mistake.

I haven't even begun to search the hadith. I'm not saying that it is Islam's primary message, but if you're looking for a compassionate Islam, there is enough to work with.

 

[BirdiesLoveJesus]

pardon me if this is too long !

This is why I believe the Qu'arn is the exact opposite than the bible. The peace stuff in the Qu'arn is just there to give someone purpose in believing it.


Qur'an 4:089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Qur'an 17:033: And do not kill any one whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause, and whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority, so let him not exceed the just limits in slaying; surely he is aided.

Allah has sickened the hearts of disbelievers and increased their disease. He is a spiritual anti-doctor. 2:10

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 2:191-2

Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a

But if there are any wrong-doers around after you've killed off all the disbelievers, persecutors and aggressors, then you'll have to kill them too. 2:193b

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

Makr in islam means " The greatest deciever " -- But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

Other texts that say Allah is the Greatest deciever : Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

"and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"

Sura 3:54.

One of the Names for allah is " The most proud " -- He is the One GOD; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Proud (al-mutakabbiru).




This explains it pretty well too :


"Allah is the greatest of all deceivers" Surah 3:54 (Arabic)
"And the devil that deceived them" Revelation 20:10
One of the names given to Allah in Surah 59:23 is "the Most Proud" (al-mutakabbiru)
In the Bible Lucifer (Satan) was cast out of heaven because of his Pride: Isaiah 14:12-15, Ezekiel 28:13-19
The 99 names of Allah: 62 المميت Al-Mumit: The Bringer of Death, The Destroyer
In the Bible, Satan is the Destroyer: 1 Corinthians 10:10


" Fight them until all oppostition ends and all submit to allah " Qur'an 8:39

"Behead and Slaughter those who dont believe " Qu'ran 47:4 In the bible Revelations 20:4 " And i saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God" ( take note this has not come to pass yet. )


I would recommend watching Walid Shoebat he is an Ex muslim terrorist who came to Christ really interesting. Anyway hope this shed some light

 

[Elizabeth619]

How much do we actually know about Islam to say it's so evil? Do you know that Muslims say that the Quran is against the violence of 911? Do you also know that people often see Muhammad in visions and Muslims are often healed by their prayers to Allah? A Muslim told me this. Now I know most people reading this don't know that much about their own religion, but assuming you know plenty about Christianity you must have noticed how confusing and contradictory it is. I'm not convinced that Islam is any better. I'm at a loss.

Brandon, there are tons of good moral and religious people in the world. Many of them are not of Christianity. I know Muslim, Hindus, and even a few people who claim to be Satanist and they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet.

The Muslim faith in fact does not promote violence anymore than the bible does, but there are religious fundamentalists who will pervert that faith as well.
The issue lies in the fact that other religions are not of God. Jesus plainly states that no one can come to the father except through HIM. Just because someone is a "good" person does not mean their spirituality is in tact.

Muslims deny Jesus as their Savior. That is the problem.

 

[xXTroubleXx]

Religion in and of itself is really neither exclusively good or evil. You are right in saying that Islam really is no better than any other religion. An irrational, dogmatic person interpreting any sort of religious text might act in such a way that society deems him and his religion 'evil'. However, the reverse can be said for someone who claims to be inspired to do things like help poor people because of his religion, thus society might deem him and his religion 'good'. However, at the end of the day, people encompass a wide spectrum of behaviors and motives in life. Teachings in a book can either be someone's personal life philosophy, something they interpret and use to do generally accepted good things for others, or can be used as a tool to intimidate, convert, oppress, and even be used as an excuse to kill others and do harm.

The point is that some christians calls Islam evil and somewhere else in the world, a muslim is calling Christianity evil. Neither statement by either person makes their claims true, people can just be dogmatic, irrational sh*theads sometimes.

 

[Brandon777]

Brandon, there are tons of good moral and religious people in the world. Many of them are not of Christianity. I know Muslim, Hindus, and even a few people who claim to be Satanist and they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet.

The Muslim faith in fact does not promote violence anymore than the bible does, but there are religious fundamentalists who will pervert that faith as well.
The issue lies in the fact that other religions are not of God. Jesus plainly states that no one can come to the father except through HIM. Just because someone is a "good" person does not mean their spirituality is in tact.

Muslims deny Jesus as their Savior. That is the problem.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." This is the reference you get your argument from. This same Scripture sounds to me like the way of Jesus is the way to the Father and heaven. Do you see the difference? Jesus's way was to accept people and forgive them and to pray for enemies and to follow the laws of God and his ways which we know of as the commandments of Jesus of which there are about 50. The difference is that some people think praying the sinners prayer in a moment of passion is enough to enter heaven, and I think that people who actually follow the ways of God whether it be in Christianity or not, are the one's who are justified by Jesus. Because according to this Scripture, Jesus is the way. So to come to the Father one must follow the way of Jesus.

 

[djness]

Re: pardon me if this is too long !

This is why I believe the Qu'arn is the exact opposite than the bible. The peace stuff in the Qu'arn is just there to give someone purpose in believing it.


Qur'an 4:089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Qur'an 17:033: And do not kill any one whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause, and whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority, so let him not exceed the just limits in slaying; surely he is aided.

Allah has sickened the hearts of disbelievers and increased their disease. He is a spiritual anti-doctor. 2:10

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 2:191-2

Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a

But if there are any wrong-doers around after you've killed off all the disbelievers, persecutors and aggressors, then you'll have to kill them too. 2:193b

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

Makr in islam means " The greatest deciever " -- But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

Other texts that say Allah is the Greatest deciever : Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

"and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"

Sura 3:54.

One of the Names for allah is " The most proud " -- He is the One GOD; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Proud (al-mutakabbiru).




This explains it pretty well too :


"Allah is the greatest of all deceivers" Surah 3:54 (Arabic)
"And the devil that deceived them" Revelation 20:10
One of the names given to Allah in Surah 59:23 is "the Most Proud" (al-mutakabbiru)
In the Bible Lucifer (Satan) was cast out of heaven because of his Pride: Isaiah 14:12-15, Ezekiel 28:13-19
The 99 names of Allah: 62 المميت Al-Mumit: The Bringer of Death, The Destroyer
In the Bible, Satan is the Destroyer: 1 Corinthians 10:10


" Fight them until all oppostition ends and all submit to allah " Qur'an 8:39

"Behead and Slaughter those who dont believe " Qu'ran 47:4 In the bible Revelations 20:4 " And i saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God" ( take note this has not come to pass yet. )


I would recommend watching Walid Shoebat he is an Ex muslim terrorist who came to Christ really interesting. Anyway hope this shed some light

Between stoning people, burning them at the stake and in general just killing anyone for not following GoD completely, you could get the same thing out of the old testament as all of those verses you posted.

 

[chip]

good or evil? let us see....

does it recognize the one God?
does it recognize that Abraham's descendants as blessed by God? All of them?
does it understand that Israel is God's chosen people?
does it recognize that Jesus was the completion of the Abrahamic covenant?
does it recognize that those whom follow Jesus have been grafted into the root of Israel?

need more test questions?