*PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA IS RE-ELECTED!!*
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I respect your opinion and think that played a subjective role; however, this is the number one objective reason why Americans are voting Democrat:
I. As of January 2012, the U.S. Census Bureau announced that an astounding 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives some form of government benefits.
http://www.census.gov/sipp/tables/quarterly-est/household-char/2010/3-qtr/table2.xls
II. Now we add in all government workers that depend on government for their income. Total employment by industry can be found at:
Table B-1. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by industry sector and selected industry detail [In thousands]
As of October 2012, the federal government employs about 2,807,000 people. State governments employ about 5,242,000 people. Local governments employ about 14,344,000 people. So we need to add another 22,393,000 Americans along with all their dependents that rely on government.
III. Next let's look at how much money government is pumping into the private sector to get an idea of how beholden the private sector is to government money (both what they collect in taxes but also what they borrow because government spends more than it has to the tune of $1 trillion a year currently):
1. Alan Peters and Peter Fisher (Associate Professors, Graduate Program in Urban and Regional Planning, University of Iowa)[5] have estimated that state and local governments provide $40–50 billion annually for corporate welfare.
2. The Cato Institute studies show about $100 billion a year currently is allocated as corporate welfare.
3. The U.S. bailouts of Bush and Obama total $11 trillion committed with $3 trillion already spent.
Follow the money: Bailout tracker - CNNMoney.com
Conclusion: It's apparent that the vast majority of the U.S. population is dependent on government for their money and the Democratic party promises to continue giving them it.
The U.S. population has chosen the path of Greece for exactly the same reason the Greeks did. On the street, it's called: "Laugh now... cry later."
I. As of January 2012, the U.S. Census Bureau announced that an astounding 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives some form of government benefits.
http://www.census.gov/sipp/tables/quarterly-est/household-char/2010/3-qtr/table2.xls
II. Now we add in all government workers that depend on government for their income. Total employment by industry can be found at:
Table B-1. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by industry sector and selected industry detail [In thousands]
As of October 2012, the federal government employs about 2,807,000 people. State governments employ about 5,242,000 people. Local governments employ about 14,344,000 people. So we need to add another 22,393,000 Americans along with all their dependents that rely on government.
III. Next let's look at how much money government is pumping into the private sector to get an idea of how beholden the private sector is to government money (both what they collect in taxes but also what they borrow because government spends more than it has to the tune of $1 trillion a year currently):
1. Alan Peters and Peter Fisher (Associate Professors, Graduate Program in Urban and Regional Planning, University of Iowa)[5] have estimated that state and local governments provide $40–50 billion annually for corporate welfare.
2. The Cato Institute studies show about $100 billion a year currently is allocated as corporate welfare.
3. The U.S. bailouts of Bush and Obama total $11 trillion committed with $3 trillion already spent.
Follow the money: Bailout tracker - CNNMoney.com
Conclusion: It's apparent that the vast majority of the U.S. population is dependent on government for their money and the Democratic party promises to continue giving them it.
The U.S. population has chosen the path of Greece for exactly the same reason the Greeks did. On the street, it's called: "Laugh now... cry later."
There can be no doubt that just as there are Liberals there are Conservatives who are deeply entrenched within their respective districts who voted to keep their representatives in this time around. Many had no opposition to speak of so that fared well for them also. But you also have to consider that Rep. Bachmann, a Republican and former presidential candidate, just barely won by the skin of her teeth. That was a real close one though in the end she did win by a razor thin margin, so it was not as great or clear a victory as she or many might have expected who thought she would literally sweep through in a landslide. By contrast, Rep. Jackson Jr. of Illinois, a Democrat, won by an Overwhelming Majority even though he had been gone for about six months and did absolutely little to no campaigning! That is very telling and Speaks Volumes as to the Party Preference of the American People who voted in this nation's election!
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
If you think moving toward a more socialist society is moving forward, you should do some research and understand that socialism doesn't work. By reelecting President Obama, we have solidified more socialistic and liberal policies being pushed through which will only hurt us in the long run. Debt is only going to increase, the unemployment rate will continue to be negative, more entitlement, bigger government, more regulations, etc. are in store for us which will only hinder our economy, not enhance it.
I can only hope and pray that Obama will not completely destroy any possibilities of someone coming in and fixing his mess come 2016.
I can only hope and pray that Obama will not completely destroy any possibilities of someone coming in and fixing his mess come 2016.
S
I think the thing your not getting is that the way the Electoral College is set up, and the way states allocate their electors, almost always makes it look like someone won big.
The popular vote usually reveals a different story, and in this case Obama won, but just barely.
As for Party Preference: My Representative and Senator (Both Republicans) didn't campaign at all; I didn't even see a single sign for either of them or a TV ad, and they both swept back into office by a landslide.
The popular vote usually reveals a different story, and in this case Obama won, but just barely.
As for Party Preference: My Representative and Senator (Both Republicans) didn't campaign at all; I didn't even see a single sign for either of them or a TV ad, and they both swept back into office by a landslide.
And it might be of Great Interest to ALL to know that recently Two (2) states in these United States of America passed a law regarding a ballot referendum ALLOWING Gay Marriage! Yes, can you believe that -- for the First time in history it was the PEOPLE directly who voted with a majority vote in those two states who have made Gay Marriage a reality there and those in opposition cannot say that Everyone in those two states is Gay or Lesbian therefore that's why it passed because that is simply not the case. It passed with great Heterosexual (Straight) support! Previously, it would have taken a judge or a law to come around to allow that but now it is the people Directly who have Endorsed Gay marriage.
Besides that, the first openly Lesbian senator was elected By_The_People of these United States in the recent election!
Read All About It -- http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/07/politics/pol-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
Besides that, the first openly Lesbian senator was elected By_The_People of these United States in the recent election!
Read All About It -- http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/07/politics/pol-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
While checks and balances is certainly a good thing for either party, the real problem I am talking about here is that that will only result in gridlock when we have the Upper House comprised of One party and the lower one of another. And the kind of gridlock we have been experiencing for the last four years with Republicans more anxious about voting Obama out of office than doing what is actually good for the country by working with him to pass good legislation.
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
Well, the gridlock is not one sided. Obama is not the type of person to budge from his position. You want the right to move toward the center, well, Obama would have to as well and he's so far left that he doesn't want to compromise. Also, Obama had two years with both sides of Congress as a Democratic majority and look where we are now: high unemployment, massive debt, economy in the tank. I mean, if you expect that Obama would change everything around if he didn't have checks and balances then you're delusional.
Yet you can't discount the fact that this is a moving Upward Trend, so much so that it is already being spoken about that many other states will follow these two states shortly since there is now a good precedent! Those in those 29 states will come around as well when they fully realize they too might have Gay and Lesbian children, parents, relatives, friends, etc. as so many indeed have all over. So, the vote may not be completely for being in favor of that type of marriage as much as sympathizing with all the discrimination and prejudice those poor folks have had to endure all these years that they are now sick of seeing and that is why many a mind is changing and will continue to change as they see the light in that these folks were created by God too just as much as you and I and are loved just as much by our LORD!
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
J
Actually, the sodomite marriage issue is likely to go the same route of Sodomy Laws with Lawrence V. Texas.
From Wiki:
Red states are states that had their Sodomy-Laws done away with by the Supreme Court in 2003.
Also from Wiki:
What will likely happen is that the supreme court will straight down bans on sodomite marriage. Thus it will continue to assume it's new found role as the third house of the legislature.
B
Actually, the sodomite marriage issue is likely to go the same route of Sodomy Laws with Lawrence V. Texas.
From Wiki:
Red states are states that had their Sodomy-Laws done away with by the Supreme Court in 2003.
Also from Wiki:
What will likely happen is that the supreme court will straight down bans on sodomite marriage. Thus it will continue to assume it's new found role as the third house of the legislature.
From Wiki:
Red states are states that had their Sodomy-Laws done away with by the Supreme Court in 2003.
Also from Wiki:
What will likely happen is that the supreme court will straight down bans on sodomite marriage. Thus it will continue to assume it's new found role as the third house of the legislature.
T
First of all, you say that as if it were a bad thing. Let's discuss some of these people who are on some form of "government assistance:"
Social Security - A lot of people have some sort of pension or 401(k) where they work. Some are able to put a little aside into such an account while they were working so that they could retire comfortably. But not everyone is so lucky. Some people lost everything through risky investments, some were just never able to make enough to set something aside. Social security is barely enough to live on. If your house is completely paid off by the time you retire, it may be enough to support your groceries, and then Medicare pays for the health stuff. Without that safety net, what would happen? Well, they'd be forced to stay at their jobs longer, and would not retire, which means unemployment would continue to rise. Seems to me like providing a minimum level of support is healthy for the economy.
Military - By far the largest chunk of federal spending is here. From the five-star general down to the ROTC recruit, every member of the military is a "leech" on the government, receiving payment through federal taxes. In exchange, they give us their bravery and often their lives. Sheesh, how selfish of them.
Children - We've all heard about the lazy "welfare queen" who has babies and just doesn't want to work. Sure, I understand we don't really want to be helping people if they're not willing to help themselves. However, more than 2/3 of those who are on some sort of public assistance are under the age of 14. Cutting off welfare is LITERALLY stealing food from babies. And you wonder why we liberals say you conservatives are so heartless.
State and Local - don't forget that government doesn't just mean federal government. Your state and local government spends a lot of money as well. In fact, I think if you were to look at it objectively, you'd find that 100% of Americans have received some sort of government assistance at some point in their lives.
Did you attend a public school ever? That's government assistance.
Have you ever taken public transportation? That's government assistance.
Or perhaps you're too good for mass transit. Maybe you just drive your car on public roads and fill your tank with federally-subsidized petrol. That's government assistance.
Are you reading this on a computer that's powered by electricity -- either coal, gas, nuclear, geo-thermal, hydro, or solar (unless you designed the cells yourself and built your house yourself, and.....)? That's government assistance.
I don't understand why so many people seem to think government is bad. Yes, I agree that we don't want the government telling us what to do at every juncture. I do NOT agree that the private sector would operate any government-run program more efficiently.
In the U.S., the government is US. If you don't like it, take a look in the mirror and start there.
Social Security - A lot of people have some sort of pension or 401(k) where they work. Some are able to put a little aside into such an account while they were working so that they could retire comfortably. But not everyone is so lucky. Some people lost everything through risky investments, some were just never able to make enough to set something aside. Social security is barely enough to live on. If your house is completely paid off by the time you retire, it may be enough to support your groceries, and then Medicare pays for the health stuff. Without that safety net, what would happen? Well, they'd be forced to stay at their jobs longer, and would not retire, which means unemployment would continue to rise. Seems to me like providing a minimum level of support is healthy for the economy.
Military - By far the largest chunk of federal spending is here. From the five-star general down to the ROTC recruit, every member of the military is a "leech" on the government, receiving payment through federal taxes. In exchange, they give us their bravery and often their lives. Sheesh, how selfish of them.
Children - We've all heard about the lazy "welfare queen" who has babies and just doesn't want to work. Sure, I understand we don't really want to be helping people if they're not willing to help themselves. However, more than 2/3 of those who are on some sort of public assistance are under the age of 14. Cutting off welfare is LITERALLY stealing food from babies. And you wonder why we liberals say you conservatives are so heartless.
State and Local - don't forget that government doesn't just mean federal government. Your state and local government spends a lot of money as well. In fact, I think if you were to look at it objectively, you'd find that 100% of Americans have received some sort of government assistance at some point in their lives.
Did you attend a public school ever? That's government assistance.
Have you ever taken public transportation? That's government assistance.
Or perhaps you're too good for mass transit. Maybe you just drive your car on public roads and fill your tank with federally-subsidized petrol. That's government assistance.
Are you reading this on a computer that's powered by electricity -- either coal, gas, nuclear, geo-thermal, hydro, or solar (unless you designed the cells yourself and built your house yourself, and.....)? That's government assistance.
I don't understand why so many people seem to think government is bad. Yes, I agree that we don't want the government telling us what to do at every juncture. I do NOT agree that the private sector would operate any government-run program more efficiently.
In the U.S., the government is US. If you don't like it, take a look in the mirror and start there.
That is your opinion and that of those who are still reeling over the election results. Many others do not agree!
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
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Let us all now come together in harmony, unity and peace, and stay focused on a salient purpose that will be of great benefit to the American people. -- HeavenlyWarrior
J
I don't know why I put the word "straight." If you have a good eye, sometimes you'll see that I combine two thoughts into my sentences. The more I look at some of my own posts the more I feel like I'm schizo.
Anyway, what I meant to say was "Strike down". This could have been determined to some extent based on my first line:
If you take a quick gander at Lawrence V. Texas, you'll see that Sodomy Laws in states such as Texas, Kansas, Michigan, and elsewhere were struck down by the Supreme Court as being unconstitutional.
I apologize for my sometimes confusing statements.
Anyway, what I meant to say was "Strike down". This could have been determined to some extent based on my first line:
If you take a quick gander at Lawrence V. Texas, you'll see that Sodomy Laws in states such as Texas, Kansas, Michigan, and elsewhere were struck down by the Supreme Court as being unconstitutional.
I apologize for my sometimes confusing statements.
T
You're clearly smoking whatever Subito is. Obama has bent over backwards and compromised so much his own party is upset with him. Don't you read anything? This is just so beyond false it's not even funny.
And once again, you're not paying attention.
Every measure of the economy shows improvement since Obama took office. Yes, things are still pretty bad, but they're way better than they were 4 years ago, despite the gridlock he's had to deal with (which has been record-breaking, by the way).
Gadzooks, people, would you listen to something OTHER than Fox News once in a while?
And once again, you're not paying attention.
Every measure of the economy shows improvement since Obama took office. Yes, things are still pretty bad, but they're way better than they were 4 years ago, despite the gridlock he's had to deal with (which has been record-breaking, by the way).
Gadzooks, people, would you listen to something OTHER than Fox News once in a while?