NAR, Cessationism, Darby, Scofield, Dispensationalism, Zionism and related theories

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zone

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".......for those who would like to discuss .....zionism.....Scofield....Dispensationalism and other theories associated with it."


what's this?

1. israel/neocons did 9-11 (1st active step in taking Greater Israel per Talmud) and blamed it on 'islam'. goal: get the US to take the region down (planned 20 years in advance).....christian zionism/dispensationalism was already in place - presto

2. rick joyner, strang and the clan are occultists/kabbalists and are in on it.

3. principle in occult (magik) - 'revelation of the method' (telling cryptically in advance what will happen)
 
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Look, i think some of them get it.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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much of the 'new apostolic reformation' movement subscribes to a postmillennial dominionist eschatology...postmillenialism historically being an ally of preterism and not dispensationalism...

so the title of this thread that lumps them all together is kind of ironic...
 
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i think its a list of subjects ...not a lump
the intention i believe was to keep them from derailing other threads
 
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Look, i think some of them get it.[/QUOTE]

 
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RachelBibleStudent

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israel occupied the sinai peninsula for some time...then they gave it back...
israel occupied southern lebanon for some time...then they gave it back...
israel occupied the gaza strip for some time...then they gave it back...
the united states occupied iraq for some time...supposedly on behalf of israel if you believe in that sort of thing...then we gave it back...

if the plan is to assemble 'greater israel' by acquiring all of this territory...then the zionists and neoconservatives must have missed that memo...they keep giving big chunks of 'greater israel' back to the arabs...
 
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re: the kansas city crackpots and rick joyner knight of malta NAR prophets -



discuss:)
Originally Posted by zone

1. israel/neocons did 9-11 (1st active step in taking Greater Israel per Talmud) and blamed it on 'islam'. goal: get the US to take the region down (planned 20 years in advance).....christian zionism/dispensationalism was already in place - presto

2. rick joyner, strang and the clan are occultists/kabbalists and are in on it.

3. principle in occult (magik) - 'revelation of the method' (telling cryptically in advance what will happen)

love zone.



I assumed he was joking. I know a lot of Talmud and have no idea what in there could be construed as Israel trying to manipulate countries to advance themseleves. Rick Joyner hardly strikes me as a sorcerer or a Kabbalist. Prophecy has nothing to do with predicting the future; it's saying God's message. The closest you can get to the relationship between Kabbala and the gifts, is that the New Age would not have happened if the churches would take their responsibility toward teaching about the gifts.
 
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Originally Posted by zone

1. israel/neocons did 9-11 (1st active step in taking Greater Israel per Talmud) and blamed it on 'islam'. goal: get the US to take the region down (planned 20 years in advance).....christian zionism/dispensationalism was already in place - presto

2. rick joyner, strang and the clan are occultists/kabbalists and are in on it.

3. principle in occult (magik) - 'revelation of the method' (telling cryptically in advance what will happen)

love zone.



I assumed he was joking. I know a lot of Talmud and have no idea what in there could be construed as Israel trying to manipulate countries to advance themseleves. Rick Joyner hardly strikes me as a sorcerer or a Kabbalist. Prophecy has nothing to do with predicting the future; it's saying God's message. The closest you can get to the relationship between Kabbala and the gifts, is that the New Age would not have happened if the churches would take their responsibility toward teaching about the gifts.
How can the church teach about the gifts? Gifts are given not learned.
All we have on the gifts is correction. So how did that cause the New Age
to come in?

From what i see the false charismatics brought this stuff in. And yes
they did teach the gifts. thing is only craft is taught, gifts are just given.
 

Elizabeth619

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I have to take a moment to say hello to someone.

ZONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

zone

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i think its a list of subjects ...not a lump
the intention i believe was to keep them from derailing other threads
hehehe. pretty cool, eh?:)

but: the plot thickens.

they ARE all connected.

today's post mils do include many NAR - but the NAR is "new" (predicted but newly arrived).
post mil isn't new. it's the Manifest Sons of God insanity the NAR has scribbled into the script which makes them Dominionist (somewhat 'postmil').

historic postmils weren't necessarily militant dominionists (Kingdom Now etc)...many were simple utopians. if there's a faction that combined postmil with hyper-preterism, well - what are they? powerless at the very least.

anyway - the NAR could never have slipped into the (fake/revised) postmil driver's seat if the dispies weren't so disabled and distracted by their own acceptance of all the GAPS. same little group gave everybody their false beliefs anyhow....the topdog NARs know there's no CHRISTIAN utopia - they're not christians, they're kabbalists.
they're teamed up with the rabbis at the top level, and in that sense are the ultimate DISPIES.

easy, ya?
mornin' mikey:D

*plugs in kettle*
 

zone

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I have to take a moment to say hello to someone.

ZONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BETH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D



shweet!
love you girl
 

zone

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zone

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I assumed he was joking. I know a lot of Talmud and have no idea what in there could be construed as Israel trying to manipulate countries to advance themseleves. Rick Joyner hardly strikes me as a sorcerer or a Kabbalist. Prophecy has nothing to do with predicting the future; it's saying God's message. The closest you can get to the relationship between Kabbala and the gifts, is that the New Age would not have happened if the churches would take their responsibility toward teaching about the gifts.
hi kenisyes.
well, i guess there's a pretty big gulf between our understanding of these particular things.
we can talk about it, if you like.

if we could just finally accept the truth (hidden in plain view) about 9-11, the rest is quickly clear.
israelis/necons (not the Israel of God) did it. the masonic network and all.
i dunno. if we haven't seen this yet, there's just too much information to fill in at once.
zone
 

zone

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How can the church teach about the gifts? Gifts are given not learned.
All we have on the gifts is correction. So how did that cause the New Age
to come in?

From what i see the false charismatics brought this stuff in. And yes
they did teach the gifts. thing is only craft is taught, gifts are just given.
a-a-a-a-nd......there we have it.
 

zone

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Rick Joyner hardly strikes me as a sorcerer or a Kabbalist.
Q. Do I think that we need orders in Christianity?


Ideally no. I think that simply being a member of the body of Christ is the greatest honor that we can ever have on this earth. However, because of the present and historic weaknesses of the church in general, they have served a great purpose in creating spiritual advances, and will again do so for at least the near future.


Just as Count Zinzendorf, the true father of modern missions, created the Order of the Mustard Seed, which touched and inspired men like John Wesley to release a spiritual fire in the earth that created the First Great Awakening in America and Europe, I think that the church is in desperate need of groups who will join together to press beyond the state of modern Christianity as it is generally found in most of the world. Call these "elitist" groups if you want, but we need them to call all Christians to higher standards of faith and life. I make no apologies for my plans to start one (which I will explain later), and to assist the OSJ to accomplish its mandate. Such a thing will only be offensive to the lukewarm and the fearful, which in the midst of our present distress, I do not believe we have the time to care about offending.


For several years I have considered starting a special fellowship for those who will rise up to become true Christian knights of the Spirit. A year ago I was given a clear mandate from the Lord to do this, which He also showed me was given many years ago but I had not understood it as such. It is to be a fellowship of those who would walk in a manner worthy of their calling, never retreating before the enemies of the cross, or compromising their principles or integrity, intent on one mission—following the King, fighting His battles, and standing resolutely for His truth.


As a part of this program we are also called to start a similar fellowship for children and youth. I appreciate programs like Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts, but the church is in need of something that greatly surpasses these programs in preparing the coming generation for their purpose. What we are now starting is a program that takes children from eight years old and plants sound doctrine deep in their hearts, while raising them up to be true knights of the Spirit who will live their entire lives as such. If they are alone in a foreign land, they will conduct themselves as such—always ready to defend the truth, the poor, and the oppressed, representing our King in a manner worthy of His soldiers....

Knights of Malta Rick Joyner | MorningStar Ministries

blah blah blah.
 
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sounds harmless...especially the eight year olds
hmmm that reminds me of something...slips my mind.
 

zone

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