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Lazarus death was to bring glory to God.
Maybe I didn't word it very well, psychomommy, but, yes, man does nothing if Himself, all man can do is what God allows, and, this through faith and belief in His plan for their life.
Ahhh, hopesprung, you're so nice. God blessed you with a gift of wisdom and I've seen it at work many times on c.c., including '6 Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses,' go mighty forth with the Sword (of the Spirit, too
), for nothing ELSE is living AND active on planet earth but He who told you how to put Him in your temple, that emboldens to do great things, based on the knowledge of the Word, through His power.
Yes, well said, KNOW, all of it, well, said, anyway, the Lord leads, we are not waver in the faith Christ measured to us all. We plant, we water, He grows things;we are God's garden
Have faith in His power through us to get healed, heal others through our work obeying Him, THIS should be the CRY of ALL our hearts. And that 'cry' goes for whatever He places in our path. Whatever you do, do it ALL for the glory of God, NOT judging, this DE-glorifies God.
No judging ! I just Love how this all came together in the end.
Maybe I didn't word it very well, psychomommy, but, yes, man does nothing if Himself, all man can do is what God allows, and, this through faith and belief in His plan for their life.
Ahhh, hopesprung, you're so nice. God blessed you with a gift of wisdom and I've seen it at work many times on c.c., including '6 Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses,' go mighty forth with the Sword (of the Spirit, too
), for nothing ELSE is living AND active on planet earth but He who told you how to put Him in your temple, that emboldens to do great things, based on the knowledge of the Word, through His power. Yes, well said, KNOW, all of it, well, said, anyway, the Lord leads, we are not waver in the faith Christ measured to us all. We plant, we water, He grows things;we are God's garden
Have faith in His power through us to get healed, heal others through our work obeying Him, THIS should be the CRY of ALL our hearts. And that 'cry' goes for whatever He places in our path. Whatever you do, do it ALL for the glory of God, NOT judging, this DE-glorifies God.
No judging ! I just Love how this all came together in the end.
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Jesus raising him rom the dead was how God got glory and Lazarus and Jesus received persecution. It has been the same for us.
With that attitude no one would ever pray to see the dead raised. It is just 'Christian' fatalism. We have a family friend that has experienced over 300 dead raisings in his ministry, over 20 himself, which is about 10% of the ones prayed for so you can see they have prayed for many more than 300.
That is quite clear as I have said.
I have judged no one. People simply refuse to believe the reason they are not healed has NOTHING to do with God's willingness or ability. They judge themselves by getting offended instead of seeking Good on the issue.
With that attitude no one would ever pray to see the dead raised. It is just 'Christian' fatalism. We have a family friend that has experienced over 300 dead raisings in his ministry, over 20 himself, which is about 10% of the ones prayed for so you can see they have prayed for many more than 300.
That is quite clear as I have said.
I have judged no one. People simply refuse to believe the reason they are not healed has NOTHING to do with God's willingness or ability. They judge themselves by getting offended instead of seeking Good on the issue.
Awesome faith, spiritualplague, the power of God is 'great.' Praying for your wife now too, Wednesday, that NOTHING will he there, but, too, I always pray, that 'your will be done, Lord.' Our God reigns.
Praying for your wife now too, Wednesday, that NOTHING will he there, but, too, I always pray, that 'your will be done, Lord.' Our God reigns.
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Salvation is a free gift, however to walk with Jesus as His friend in it by grace through faith will cost you EVERYTHING! Luke 14:25-27. That cross is never presented as sickness in the Bible. Paul is very clear what it cost him, one of which was all his religious beliefs and doctrines of men. Nothing has changed.
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This makes no sense in light of scripture:
Ephesians 6:10-13
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Whole Armor of God
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
1 Timothy 6:12
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
Ephesians 6:10-13
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Whole Armor of God
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
1 Timothy 6:12
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
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Sickness in the physical body is the result of disobedience to God's command but not necessarily committing sin. Although there are sins that do not lead to death. God gave the age of man in Genesis 6:3, And the Lord said, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he is also flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." God gave the kind of food that man shall not eat for physical health such as blood, fish without scales, meat of certain animals and fowls, etc., and those to be eaten by man. God also gave guidelines in relationships such as loving the enemy, living in peace, humility, etc., to prevent stresses that causes diseases in the body. And some other biblical practices things to do to preserve the body which is the temple of God.
Of course there are pollutions, pesticides, radiation, etc., but this will be taken cared of spiritually by faith in the promises of God. The Holy Spirit residing in the spirit of man have the healing power available to men all the time, except when the Holy Spirit is grieved or quenced. By the stripes and wound of Jesus we are healed. We are redeemed from the cursed of the law, and sickness is part of the cursed. We can also ask the Father for healing, if desired, through Jesus Christ, for the glory of God. We must put our faith in God and His word and not on the things we see in the surroundings to maintain health and live according to the will of God one hundred and twenty years free from diseases and illness.
Of course there are pollutions, pesticides, radiation, etc., but this will be taken cared of spiritually by faith in the promises of God. The Holy Spirit residing in the spirit of man have the healing power available to men all the time, except when the Holy Spirit is grieved or quenced. By the stripes and wound of Jesus we are healed. We are redeemed from the cursed of the law, and sickness is part of the cursed. We can also ask the Father for healing, if desired, through Jesus Christ, for the glory of God. We must put our faith in God and His word and not on the things we see in the surroundings to maintain health and live according to the will of God one hundred and twenty years free from diseases and illness.
Why do so many think that sin and disobedience is the reason for all sickness, affliction and disease? What if a perfect Adam fell from one of the trees he was tending in the garden and broke his arm which did not set right and caused him some physical problems? After all he was made from the dust of the ground and that earthen dust is probably responsible for human weaknesses of the flesh.
Did not Jesus have to deal with this with His disciples in (Jn 9:1-3)...
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Did not Jesus have to deal with this with His disciples in (Jn 9:1-3)...
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
It always saddens the heart to see one who looks to flesh for salvation.
Jesus said, in the world you will have tribulation, but take ciurage, I have overcome the world!
2:cor5:16
We do not lose heart, because our inner being is renewed each day, even though our body is being destroyed at the same time.
17: The presant burden of our trial is light enough, and earns for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison.
18: We do not fix our gaze on what is seen but what is unseen. What is seen is transitory; what is unseen lasts forever.
I pray that any who does not see the glory of His Spirit perfected by the loss of flesh and the growth of His Spirit (Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh).
That the eyes and ears of the soul will be opened, that they may see the glory of God perfected, not in what is flesh, but His Spirit.
That any suffering is nothing, compared to the joy that is known in the one who no longer lives in flesh, but in His Spirit.
For the true mirical, is when the suffering no longer matters, because of the perfect that lives in each who recieves, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
in Jesus,God bless
pickles
Jesus said, in the world you will have tribulation, but take ciurage, I have overcome the world!
2:cor5:16
We do not lose heart, because our inner being is renewed each day, even though our body is being destroyed at the same time.
17: The presant burden of our trial is light enough, and earns for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison.
18: We do not fix our gaze on what is seen but what is unseen. What is seen is transitory; what is unseen lasts forever.
I pray that any who does not see the glory of His Spirit perfected by the loss of flesh and the growth of His Spirit (Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh).
That the eyes and ears of the soul will be opened, that they may see the glory of God perfected, not in what is flesh, but His Spirit.
That any suffering is nothing, compared to the joy that is known in the one who no longer lives in flesh, but in His Spirit.
For the true mirical, is when the suffering no longer matters, because of the perfect that lives in each who recieves, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
in Jesus,God bless
pickles
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2 Corinthians 7:1
New King James Version (NKJV)
7 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
1 Peter 5:8
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because[a] your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Spirits of infirmity, sickness, mental issues usually do not leave on their own. We have seen mental illness, severe asthma, terminal cancer, MS, diabetes, healed when spirits of infirmity were cast out. With the demons out the healing was shortly manifested. Some within days others weeks or months but immediate change usually happens.
No one we have ministered deliverance to has ever been offended once they understood it was NOT them we were blaming or addressing. Often the people we minister to have not known us previously. One AG pastor in our community came to me to go with him to minister deliverance to a 16 year old from his church that was in a mental institution whose doctor gave little hope. This was quite unusual because AG does not believe a Christian can "have" a demon. The spirits were cast out in Jesus' name and the teen was home in a few days with the doctor calling it a miracle. It was.
I do not argue if the demons are around, in, or over. We just do what Jesus did and says to do in Mark 16:17-18 and the results are apparent. The diseases etc are not from God so therefore they are from the devil. Of course God allows it for the reasons stated in the Bible.
The Holy Spirit supplies the gifts of discerning of spirits, gift of miracles, words of knowledge, as needed to identify the demons involved. I have ministered with people who can actually see the demons by the gift of discerning of spirits.
New King James Version (NKJV)
7 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
1 Peter 5:8
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because[a] your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Spirits of infirmity, sickness, mental issues usually do not leave on their own. We have seen mental illness, severe asthma, terminal cancer, MS, diabetes, healed when spirits of infirmity were cast out. With the demons out the healing was shortly manifested. Some within days others weeks or months but immediate change usually happens.
No one we have ministered deliverance to has ever been offended once they understood it was NOT them we were blaming or addressing. Often the people we minister to have not known us previously. One AG pastor in our community came to me to go with him to minister deliverance to a 16 year old from his church that was in a mental institution whose doctor gave little hope. This was quite unusual because AG does not believe a Christian can "have" a demon. The spirits were cast out in Jesus' name and the teen was home in a few days with the doctor calling it a miracle. It was.
I do not argue if the demons are around, in, or over. We just do what Jesus did and says to do in Mark 16:17-18 and the results are apparent. The diseases etc are not from God so therefore they are from the devil. Of course God allows it for the reasons stated in the Bible.
The Holy Spirit supplies the gifts of discerning of spirits, gift of miracles, words of knowledge, as needed to identify the demons involved. I have ministered with people who can actually see the demons by the gift of discerning of spirits.
since you would know exactly where these promises are, could you please post them all here?
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my point was, teaching physical healing/no sickness is guaranteed in the Atonement is heresy, and just awful.
you're going to be responsible for all the shipwrecked faith and people you cause to fake stuff because they're terrified they're not pleasing to God or demon possessed if they get the flu.
i'll be posting on this.
there's a curse on the earth, and all men die (and many including christians get sick).
you are crediting satan and yourself with far too much.
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i wonder why Paul, who saw the Lord, was appointed an Apostle and prophet, penned much of our NT, blinded a man, cast out a divination devil, raised a kid from the dead, and visited the third heaven said this:
2 Timothy 4
Personal Concerns
9Make every effort to come to me soon; 10for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica; Crescens has gone to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. 11Only Luke is with me. Pick up Mark and bring him with you, for he is useful to me for service. 12But Tychicus I have sent to Ephesus. 13When you come bring the cloak which I left at Troas with Carpus, and the books, especially the parchments. 14Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. 15Be on guard against him yourself, for he vigorously opposed our teaching.
16At my first defense no one supported me, but all deserted me; may it not be counted against them. 17But the Lord stood with me and strengthened me, so that through me the proclamation might be fully accomplished, and that all the Gentiles might hear; and I was rescued out of the lion’s mouth. 18The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed, and will bring me safely to His heavenly kingdom; to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
19Greet Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus. 20 Erastus remained at Corinth, but Trophimus I left sick at Miletus. 21Make every effort to come before winter. Eubulus greets you, also Pudens and Linus and Claudia and all the brethren.
22The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you.
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"Erastus remained at Corinth, but Trophimus I left sick at Miletus."
did he hate the guy?
did Paul lack faith?
did Trophimus lack faith?
was Trophimus demon-possessed?
or is God Sovereign?
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my point was, teaching physical healing/no sickness is guaranteed in the Atonement is heresy, and just awful.
you're going to be responsible for all the shipwrecked faith and people you cause to fake stuff because they're terrified they're not pleasing to God or demon possessed if they get the flu.
i'll be posting on this.
there's a curse on the earth, and all men die (and many including christians get sick).
you are crediting satan and yourself with far too much.
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i wonder why Paul, who saw the Lord, was appointed an Apostle and prophet, penned much of our NT, blinded a man, cast out a divination devil, raised a kid from the dead, and visited the third heaven said this:
2 Timothy 4
Personal Concerns
9Make every effort to come to me soon; 10for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica; Crescens has gone to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. 11Only Luke is with me. Pick up Mark and bring him with you, for he is useful to me for service. 12But Tychicus I have sent to Ephesus. 13When you come bring the cloak which I left at Troas with Carpus, and the books, especially the parchments. 14Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. 15Be on guard against him yourself, for he vigorously opposed our teaching.
16At my first defense no one supported me, but all deserted me; may it not be counted against them. 17But the Lord stood with me and strengthened me, so that through me the proclamation might be fully accomplished, and that all the Gentiles might hear; and I was rescued out of the lion’s mouth. 18The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed, and will bring me safely to His heavenly kingdom; to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
19Greet Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus. 20 Erastus remained at Corinth, but Trophimus I left sick at Miletus. 21Make every effort to come before winter. Eubulus greets you, also Pudens and Linus and Claudia and all the brethren.
22The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you.
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"Erastus remained at Corinth, but Trophimus I left sick at Miletus."
did he hate the guy?
did Paul lack faith?
did Trophimus lack faith?
was Trophimus demon-possessed?
or is God Sovereign?
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that's it?
those are your proof texts?
neither one of those does the job for you, in fact, you're cherry picking and handling the word deceitfully.
maybe you have more passages. i'll wait on that.
oh this game.
ya i know this.
i'll post on it later.
i don't believe half of what you said, btw.
but i bet you feel powerful and important, ya?
AG - of course. thankfully most AG don't play the game you play.
deliverance 'minister'
ya.....demons in halloween candy. your 'theology' is warped and damaging, lesjude.
back shortly.
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