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Luke 22:37
It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."
John 4:34
"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
John 13:31
When he was gone, Jesus said, "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him.
John 19:28
Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty."
John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."
John 4:34
"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
John 13:31
When he was gone, Jesus said, "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him.
John 19:28
Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty."
John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Well, if Satan is loosed to reek havoc.
I just want to know how much 'havoc' has already been loosed when he was bound.
He was bound but his spirit thrived. Makes no literal sense.
Satan was in chains but the nations of the world killed, stole, and destroyed each other.
And while Jesus ruled with a rod of iron diseases were rampant.
Wars, mass slaughters, death, disease and destruction were the norm.
But Jesus ruled.
Makes no sense.
Absolutely it makes no descent sense.
None whatsoever.
Paul wrote to the Thessalonians in around 51 A.D., that the great day of the Lord had not yet occurred.
But........Jesus reigned through all the bloodiest times of man while satan was bound. -
(The twentieth century claimed 180 million in it's wars alone)
Not to mention the profligation of sin and infanticide.
"For in the last times, men's hearts would grow cold, and they will become lovers of their own selves." - II Tim. 3:2
But all under Jesus' watch, He is Lord over all of it.
Think about it.
I just want to know how much 'havoc' has already been loosed when he was bound.
He was bound but his spirit thrived. Makes no literal sense.
Satan was in chains but the nations of the world killed, stole, and destroyed each other.
And while Jesus ruled with a rod of iron diseases were rampant.
Wars, mass slaughters, death, disease and destruction were the norm.
But Jesus ruled.
Makes no sense.
Absolutely it makes no descent sense.
None whatsoever.
Paul wrote to the Thessalonians in around 51 A.D., that the great day of the Lord had not yet occurred.
But........Jesus reigned through all the bloodiest times of man while satan was bound. -
(The twentieth century claimed 180 million in it's wars alone)
Not to mention the profligation of sin and infanticide.
"For in the last times, men's hearts would grow cold, and they will become lovers of their own selves." - II Tim. 3:2
But all under Jesus' watch, He is Lord over all of it.
Think about it.
Rick this is how the world views God, because there is so much misery and destruction etc. in the world, therefore there can be no God.
But you, should view all things through the eyes of The Spirit, if so be that the Spirit dwells in you.
Don't judge God by the things that you see in this world, but Through Truth and Righteousness, and The finished work of Christ.
But you, should view all things through the eyes of The Spirit, if so be that the Spirit dwells in you.
Don't judge God by the things that you see in this world, but Through Truth and Righteousness, and The finished work of Christ.
None of you will deal with the kingdom being restored back to Israel. Because you do not believe it will happen to the apple of God's eye (Zech 2:8).
These over educated and overly contrived amillennialist are going to try and convince you and others that we are living presently in the kingdom age and that Christ is reigning here on the earth in that kingdom. They will do everything they can to take away the mystery of Christ and the church and try to blend it all together as spiritual Israel, so that God will not be faithful to His covenant and promises to Israel, God's literal elect company and chosen and precious people. They do not want anyone over them in the Lord to give them doctrine or to teach them the word.
They are going to try and spiritualize and spew their doctrine all over you and try to coat you with it like sweet honey to get you to keep tasting it over and over until you are overcome by it. They will eventually mock you with it, belittle you and others who won't ascribe to it and they will pull a power play to try and shame you into it. They will attack all those who have paid a price for telling the truth that is contrary to their own understanding. They have already tried it with me and they will not stop with you either. If Eternally Grateful is not careful they will try to sweep him into their web of doctrine.
There will be some who post in their favour that they will use as scapegoats and buffers to do their dirty work and will compliment them from time to time because that is how they work. Just sit back and watch it all happen because they can not help themselves, it is what is in their heart. They like to bait and lure you into these foolish questions that you have to answer. It will all happen in time unless they come to their senses or God does something to thwart their effort, and that is what I hope for and I will laugh at their calamity after how they have treated so many others.
These over educated and overly contrived amillennialist are going to try and convince you and others that we are living presently in the kingdom age and that Christ is reigning here on the earth in that kingdom. They will do everything they can to take away the mystery of Christ and the church and try to blend it all together as spiritual Israel, so that God will not be faithful to His covenant and promises to Israel, God's literal elect company and chosen and precious people. They do not want anyone over them in the Lord to give them doctrine or to teach them the word.
They are going to try and spiritualize and spew their doctrine all over you and try to coat you with it like sweet honey to get you to keep tasting it over and over until you are overcome by it. They will eventually mock you with it, belittle you and others who won't ascribe to it and they will pull a power play to try and shame you into it. They will attack all those who have paid a price for telling the truth that is contrary to their own understanding. They have already tried it with me and they will not stop with you either. If Eternally Grateful is not careful they will try to sweep him into their web of doctrine.
There will be some who post in their favour that they will use as scapegoats and buffers to do their dirty work and will compliment them from time to time because that is how they work. Just sit back and watch it all happen because they can not help themselves, it is what is in their heart. They like to bait and lure you into these foolish questions that you have to answer. It will all happen in time unless they come to their senses or God does something to thwart their effort, and that is what I hope for and I will laugh at their calamity after how they have treated so many others.
It's ridiculous.
The assumption that Jesus reigns in righteousness over the end times is faulty.
Watch Gog and Magog come down while Jesus reigns.
I know what Jesus is, and He isn't the author of the current world state.
Satan is not bound by any stretch of the imagination from the affairs of mankind.
"But deceivers and those being deceived will grow worse and worse until the time of the end."
Jesus ruling of course.
The assumption that Jesus reigns in righteousness over the end times is faulty.
Watch Gog and Magog come down while Jesus reigns.
I know what Jesus is, and He isn't the author of the current world state.
Satan is not bound by any stretch of the imagination from the affairs of mankind.
"But deceivers and those being deceived will grow worse and worse until the time of the end."
Jesus ruling of course.
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Rick ive never tried to sway anyone ever in a ends times view.
This thread is just to discuss that view. But. If you wouldnt
mind giving you opinion on what Jesus meant when He said if
His kingdom was of this world hed get some soldiers and kick rear.
But He said His "Kingdom" was not of this world....any thoughts?
I know that Jesus is Lord of all (spiritually).
I believe He will also be Lord of all in the material world.
I know there will be a new heaven and earth.
But I believe the scripture is clear that He will set up His kingdom in this world, in this realm.
I really think that is what is spelled out.
I just can't see Him being Lord over all this,......not yet.
I know there is a spiritual reality that He is Lord over all who call on His name with an unfeigned heart.
But I think He will return to set up a kingdom that hasn't been established yet.
"He shall rule with a rod of iron" pp. Rev 2:27
I just don't see satan ever being bound from the kingdoms of the world yet.
I just don't see it.
I believe He will also be Lord of all in the material world.
I know there will be a new heaven and earth.
But I believe the scripture is clear that He will set up His kingdom in this world, in this realm.
I really think that is what is spelled out.
I just can't see Him being Lord over all this,......not yet.
I know there is a spiritual reality that He is Lord over all who call on His name with an unfeigned heart.
But I think He will return to set up a kingdom that hasn't been established yet.
"He shall rule with a rod of iron" pp. Rev 2:27
I just don't see satan ever being bound from the kingdoms of the world yet.
I just don't see it.
Haven't we all rebelled against Him at one time or another, why do you think this is referring to another time period, aren't you Redeemed by The Blood? Now?
Rick you must see these things through Faith in Christ, through what He has accomplished, they are visible in The Spirit and in Truth.
The same as this is:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the eons of the eons! Amen!"
Rick you must see these things through Faith in Christ, through what He has accomplished, they are visible in The Spirit and in Truth.
The same as this is:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the eons of the eons! Amen!"