Revelation 20:1-10 discussion

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zone

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No, they are not.
romans 11. How can Isreal be my enemy for the gospel, but loved for the promises? if all Israel is the church? Is the church my enemy??
hi EG brother:)

Romans 11 written c.57 AD.

well before 70AD.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


70AD
and the people [ROMANS] of the prince [TITUS] that shall come shall destroy the city [JERUSALEM] and the sanctuary [TEMPLE]; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined....

and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation [70AD], and that determined [LUKE 19:41-44] shall be poured upon the desolate [see MTTW 23 below]....


Old Covenant curses upon the unbelieving nation - fulfilled virtually 40 (probation) years AFTER this decree by JESUS ('that which is determined'), was uttered....the decree was consummated in 70AD.

Matthew 23
Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear,a and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbib by others. 8But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.c 9And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.d 15Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of helle as yourselves.

16“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. 22And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.

23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

25“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,f whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Lament over Jerusalem
37“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 See, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

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jews are NOT OUR enemy (per Paul's idea anyway).

that's over.
the nation was punished as decreed.
now they come to Christ like all others....as individuals.

God DID give them everything He promised.
everything.
 
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yes, but the old earth has to be destroyed first. and this happens after the events of the restoration of Isreal and end times prophesies. not before.
EG....Israel was restored: Jesus came and those who believed entered into the Kingdom.
but not all Israel are Israel...the elect obtained what they were seeking for.
the rest did not.

jews need the Gospel today desperately.

we have this Messianic age, then the end. and eternity.
 

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Satan has already been judged. He has been defeated spritually by the cross, but not yet literally bound.
That's according to your definition of bound. I can be bound to my house, but still move around in it. Being bound could mean that taking away of influence or power.
 
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When satan is bound he will not be able to deceive anyone. Since he is still deceiving then he is not yet bound.
 

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When satan is bound he will not be able to deceive anyone. Since he is still deceiving then he is not yet bound.
We are saved by grace through faith. Not all have faith that the Lord Jesus has spoiled the powers and principalities triumphing over them. Not all have been freed from the bondage of sin.

Matt 12:28-29
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
 

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Revelation 1:10 'Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. Tribulation

in contrast to,

Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Vindication

What is the major theme of Revelations? Is it not stand firm in Christ for persecution and tribulation is in full force (Revelation 1:9, 2 and 3, 6:9-10) and for the assurance to the Saints and their sealing, that vindication is near (Revelation 7, 14:1-5), judgment upon God's enemies is sure (Revelation 6 and 8:1-6; 7 seals=God's divorce decree upon apostate Israel for the killing of prophets, saints and the Son) (Revelation 8:7-13, 9, 11:15-17; 7 Trumpets=Judgment decreed and determined) (Revelation 15 and 16: 7 bowl judgments=judgment in action by God of both 7 seals and 7 trumpets) and that God is completely sovereign over the dealing of man, Satan, and the world (universe) (Revelation 18 -22).
 

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When satan is bound he will not be able to deceive anyone. Since he is still deceiving then he is not yet bound.
Do you have scripture to support your definition of what "bound" means?

Before Christ none of the nations had the light and life from and of God. After Christ the gospel has and is going forth to all nations and reaching all the crooks and crannies of the world.
 

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EG....Israel was restored: Jesus came and those who believed entered into the Kingdom.
but not all Israel are Israel...the elect obtained what they were seeking for.
the rest did not.

jews need the Gospel today desperately.

we have this Messianic age, then the end. and eternity.
You won't convince him of this, or maybe you will, but I couldn't.:rolleyes:
 
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Do you have scripture to support your definition of what "bound" means?

Before Christ none of the nations had the light and life from and of God. After Christ the gospel has and is going forth to all nations and reaching all the crooks and crannies of the world.
Revelation 20:3
 

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Ok, so if I am to understand, what is being said here......
Part has occered
Part is happening
And part is to come.

If this is the case, could some one give a simple, very simple :eek: kind of guide to understand this.

But dont quote me as revelations has always been difficult for me.
I have often considered that as with all prophacy, little is understood untill it occers.
That understanding comes with happening, so God will be glorified, and we can be edified.

Thankyou so much, and sorry to need so much help here.

God bless:)
pickles
 
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If I quote verses you still wouldn't understand.

Does the bible say that ALL of Israel will be saved? If so then who are they if you can number the sands of His people?

I think if we look at romans 11, we get the point. And I would not understand? you are not very tact in your responses.

Romans 11 makes it clear.

1. Isreal has been blinded in part.
2. Gentiles have been grafted in due to the blindness of Isreal.
3. There will come a time when the time of the gentile is complete, at this time, "ALL ISREAL" will be saved.
4. Isreal is our enemy because they have rejected the gospel. But beloved because of the fathers, (His promises to them still stand)


and he makes two statements which SHOULD show that he is talking about his blood relatives, and not his spiritual ones.

1. We gentiles should not be so proud of our calling, If God cut them ut for unbelief, he can and will cut us out also, and graft them back in.

2. Gods calling is irrevocable, his promise still stands.

Now. instead of being proud and telling me I would not see it. Show some humility and understand why I can;t see it

you can believe what you wish!
 

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Do a word study on bound

#1210 δέω deo {deh'-o} a root; TDNT - 2:60,148; v

1) to bind tie, fasten 1a) to bind, fasten with chains, to throw into chains 1b) metaph. 1b1) Satan is said to bind a woman bent together by means of a demon, as his messenger, taking possession of the woman and preventing her from standing upright 1b2) to bind, put under obligation, of the law, duty etc. 1b2a) to be bound to one, a wife, a husband 1b3) to forbid, prohibit, declare to be illicit

bound, 28
Mat_14:3, Mat_16:19, Mat_18:18, Mat_27:2, Mar_5:4, Mar_6:17, Mar_15:1,
Mar_15:7, Luk_13:16, Joh_11:44, Joh_18:12, Joh_18:24, Act_9:2,
Act_9:21, Act_12:6, Act_20:22, Act_21:11, Act_21:13, Act_21:33, Act_22:5,
Act_22:29, Act_24:27, Rom_7:2, 1Co_7:27, 1Co_7:39, 2Ti_2:9, Rev_9:14,
Rev_20:2

Compare Revelation 20:2-3 with 2 Timothy 2:9

8 Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel, 9 for which I suffer trouble as an evildoer, even to the point of chains; but the word of God is not chained. NKJV

8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. KJV



This word bound (#1210 δέω deo {deh'-o}) is never used as a total separation from being able interact with the outside world.

Bottomless pit is not Hell (#1067 γέεννα geenna {gheh'-en-nah}), do a word study on that.

#0012 ἄβυσσος abussos {ab'-us-sos} from G0001 (as a negative particle) and a variation of G1037; TDNT - 1:9,2; n f

1) bottomless 2) unbounded 3) the abyss 3a) the pit 3b) the immeasurable depth 3c) of Orcus, a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth used as the common receptacle of the dead and especially as the abode of demons

Usage in the KJV:
bottomless, 7
Rev_9:1-2 (2), Rev_9:11, Rev_17:7-8 (2), Rev_20:1, Rev_20:3
deep, 2
Luk_8:31, Rom_10:7

Can a prisoner in Jail still run or influence others or his assets?


Satan was bound from hurting Job until God gave Satan permission to harm Job. I believe, the exact thing that happened to Job is what is happening in Revelation, God is allowing Satan to reek havoc on ancient Jerusalem, but it only for a short time. Long enough for God's will to be done. The same thing I believe may happen just before the 2nd coming of Christ.
 
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Read the context
Revelation 20:1-3 KJV
(1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
(2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
(3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 
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hey my sis Zone.

Now to everyone else. we have been over this before. and I do not want to argue with my sister. so I will just respond with my point of view. nothing against her, nor do I want to argue with her. We have discussed this many times. so this is for everyone's benefit who does not know what I believe.


Romans 11 written c.57 AD.

well before 70AD.
I will start right here. Zone believes 70 AD was the culmination of all things. I disagree. As for romans 11, Paul said a few things, Isreal was our enemy, because they reject the gospel. In 70 AD, The blindness was not removed from Isreal, and they were not all saved, They still to this day are blinded, and still to this day are our enemy concerning the gospel. However, they still to this day are to be beloved because of the fathers (the promises) thus we should be carefull in how we think of them.

For this reason, I do not see any significant meaning of romans being written before 70 AD, because the things Paul said were not fulfilled in 70 AD concerning the nation of Isreal.

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
A few remarks on this.

1. History shows Jesus to the date entered Jerusalem on a donkey, just as prophesied, as messiah the prince, exactly at the end of the 69the week. One literal week (seven days) he was cut off just as Daniel prophesied he would.

2. According to daniel. after this event, a few things will happen. 1st thing on the list, the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary (fulfilled 70 AD) There will be a time of wars and desolations, This time is yet to be determined (known by mankind, God knows what this time is, but he has not revealed it to us) Then he (the prince) will confirm a covenant for one week (7 years) but in the middle of that week, he will commit the abomination of desolation.

3. This abomination will make desolate until the time appointed (consummated) at which something is poured on the desolate (those who are not Gods, or those who are his enemy)

As we see. The only thing fulfilled, or even possibly fulfilled in 70 AD, was the destruction of temple and city, which happened more than 7 years after the messiah was cut off. making interpretation of the 70th week either not a literal 7 years, or a gap has already been imposed between the end of the 69th week and the start of the 70th. there can be no other interpretation given. .


70AD
and the people [ROMANS] of the prince [TITUS] that shall come shall destroy the city [JERUSALEM] and the sanctuary [TEMPLE]; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined....
1. The people of the prince who is to come will destroy. Titus himself destroyed the city, thus he can;t be the prince who is to come.
2. When is the end of desolations, and according to Christ in matt 24. what will happen at the end of this time? (the return of Christ)


and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation [70AD], and that determined [LUKE 19:41-44] shall be poured upon the desolate [see MTTW 23 below]....
why look at all these other verses, look at Matt 24.

21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

1. There has been far greater tribulation occure on this earth since 70 AD. thus 70 AD could not be the great tribulation spoken of
2. All flesh were not in danger of being destroyed in 70 AD. in fact, until the advent of nuclear fission, this was not even possible.

then jesus tells us how he cuts this time short.


29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


1. This occurs IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation Jesus spoke of
2. This is previewed by great cataclysmic occurrences, and the sign of the son of man returning.
3. ALL tribes of the earth (nations) will mourn at his coming. why> because they know they are doomed. Gods people would not warn, they would be in Joy, because they have "endured to the end" and will be saved.


Old Covenant curses upon the unbelieving nation - fulfilled virtually 40 (probation) years AFTER this decree by JESUS ('that which is determined'), was uttered....the decree was consummated in 70AD.

Matthew 23
Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear,a and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbib by others. 8But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.c 9And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.d 15Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of helle as yourselves.

16“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. 22And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.

23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

25“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,f whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Lament over Jerusalem
37“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 See, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

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jews are NOT OUR enemy (per Paul's idea anyway).

that's over.
the nation was punished as decreed.
now they come to Christ like all others....as individuals.

God DID give them everything He promised.
everything.

Gods promise was eternal. was not dependant on anyone, was an I WILL covenant, not a you do and i will, but an I will. It still stands. and according to ot prophesy, and paul in romans 11. at some date, Isreal will repent, will admit their mistakes and the mistakes of her fathers. and because of this, according to the promise of lev 26, be restored to the land she owns.

She does not posses because of her sin, but this was prophesied, but it is still hers.

we are not talking about salvation here/ the covenant never had anything to do with who was saved or who was not. so we can not force this interpretation into the promise.
 
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EG....Israel was restored: Jesus came and those who believed entered into the Kingdom.
but not all Israel are Israel...the elect obtained what they were seeking for.
the rest did not.
Sorry Zone, Paul separated isreal and gentile in romans 11.

He said Isreal was blind in part (some would be saved, some not) but one day they all would be saved.
He said when this would happen (when the time of the gentile is complete) Which would be the destruction of the reformed 4th word empire, as spoken of by daniel.

If paul is separating Isreal and Gentile in romans 11, we should not try to mix them together. Especially since he makes clear. they (as a nation) are my enemy. But they are still to be loved, because the calling of God still stands. They can not be spiritual Isreal. I can not force it when it is not inferred.



jews need the Gospel today desperately.
Amen, they do, But so does the rest of the world. Time is short. shorter today than it was when paul wrote his letter, and John saw his visions.

we have this Messianic age, then the end. and eternity.
Amen, but the messianic age has not yet started. That only some views of some people, and I must disagree.
 
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Do you have scripture to support your definition of what "bound" means?

Before Christ none of the nations had the light and life from and of God. After Christ the gospel has and is going forth to all nations and reaching all the crooks and crannies of the world.
bound means tied up, cast into prison, unable to do anything

Satan still decieves the nations, he still decieves the people in those nations, and he still is active decieving Gods people. that is why we all have different views on what is real and what is not. and why we keep comming up with new gospels every day it seems. Satan is still at work. meaning he is not bound.
 
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You won't convince him of this, or maybe you will, but I couldn't.:rolleyes:
And I will never convince you of this. You wont convince me for the reasons given unless you can somehow come up with a logical and reasonable explanation which would show I am wrong. I have not seen any yet. just conjecture based on preconcieved ideas,(As I tried to show someone else earlier concerning rev 20)

Of course you could say this about me also. which is why we should not fight or argue, or make comments like the one you just made. But show our points, and either agree to disagree, or move on. don;t you agree??
 

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Read the context
Revelation 20:1-3 KJV
(1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
(2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
(3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Laodicea, your interpretation of a passage, especially in Revelation, can not stand alone. Meaning you can't interpret this passage it by itself, you need the rest of the 66 books to help interpret this for you. And that goes for everything else you read in God's word. You have to interpret the unclear with what is clear.
 

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And I will never convince you of this. You wont convince me for the reasons given unless you can somehow come up with a logical and reasonable explanation which would show I am wrong. I have not seen any yet. just conjecture based on preconcieved ideas,(As I tried to show someone else earlier concerning rev 20)

Of course you could say this about me also. which is why we should not fight or argue, or make comments like the one you just made. But show our points, and either agree to disagree, or move on. don;t you agree??
Yes I agree, I didn't mean anything derogatory by my statement towards you, sorry if I came across that way.