''Well, my church teaches _______ , but I believe ________.''

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Dec 5, 2012
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Just curious as to what people would say.

''Well, my church teaches _______ , but I believe ________.''
 
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Kefa52

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''Well, my church teaches truth , I believe truth.'' I wouldn't be worshiping at a church that I didn't feel the Holy Spirit directing me to worship at.
Jesus Christ is Truth.
 
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kenisyes

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If we will only go to churches that teach what we believe, are we submitting to the pastors, or are they submitting to the congregation's expectations?
 
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Kefa52

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I have been to several Churches, and worship with other congrigations at times. I even spend time in Synagogue There is a spiritual discernment that does along with this.

What Church doyou attend?
 
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kenisyes

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I have worked in many, and worshiped with many more as well, probably a hundred or more in all. I have a prayer meeting I go to. Like a "home church", although a little more. What is the purpose of church for you?
 
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Kefa52

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If we will only go to churches that teach what we believe, are we submitting to the pastors, or are they submitting to the congregation's expectations?
It isn't a matter of what I believe. It is the fact that my church challanges me to grow in Christ.

Jesus law is love, and his gospel is peace.

Kef52
 
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I have worked in many, and worshiped with many more as well, probably a hundred or more in all. I have a prayer meeting I go to. Like a "home church", although a little more. What is the purpose of church for you?
Church is where I choose to Worship a Holly God. Have fellowship, and share or offer my gifts to anyone in or out of the Church.
 
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I go to church to worship God and to be with other people who love the Lord. God loves each person there, I am very aware of that and often spend time in church sending blessings to each one.

I also go to church to learn, but I am careful that what I learn comes from scripture, not from only the church doctrine.
 
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I worship at a community church. We don't have a particular doctrine. Here is what we are about.

Immanuel is a young church that exists because of the Gospel and for the Gospel. We believe that the only reasonable response to the fact that Christ died to set us free from our sin (Romans 8:1-2) and rose that we might have life (John 20:31) and be called the children of God (1 John 3:1) is to begin to live in a radically different way. Many people follow Jesus, but few become true disciples. The call to have saving faith in Christ is the call to radical discipleship (Matthew 7:17-21).

A church is nothing less than the visible Body of Christ until He returns. It is made up of imperfect people who have Jesus Christ as their Lord and are in the process of being made in His image. Because we love God, we love all people as bearers of His image (Matthew 22:37-39).

The church exists for three reasons: (1) the praise and glory of God; (2) sharing the Gospel with the entire world; and (3) making disciples (Matthew 28:18-20).

Immanuel has three core commitments:
1.Radical Discipleship
2.Biblical, Theological, and Implicational Teaching
3.Being On-Mission Locally and Globally
We are an independent church with a casual atmosphere and a blended worship style. We are a church made up of various denominational and religious backgrounds.
 
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If we will only go to churches that teach what we believe, are we submitting to the pastors, or are they submitting to the congregation's expectations?
submission is not always the same as agreement with every tenet of faith the church leadership teaches..like me for example, i attend a wesleyan church..love it, its arminian in theology..as i am..teaches that good works are not what save you, but are a confirmation that you are saved and had genuine conversion..yet they are very much against alcohol, i do not drink much anymore..but I agree with them that drunkenness should not be what a believer partakes in..alcohol abuse has brought much heartache and evil to the world..and i can see good reasons for avoiding it..my only disagreement persee is that it is still a requirement for church membership there, that you must abstain from alcohol, yet i understand the reasons why they do so..other churches i was attending before would simply have you take a month's worth of weekend classes if that then walllah/tada..membership.
So i can appreciate their aiming high,having a standard and expectation required of those who wish to seek membership in their body..i do not think drinking in moderation should keep you from becoming a member, but that rule will probably not change anytime soon..and if i continue to attend a local wesleyan church(which i intend to) i am willing to submit to their authority and die to self a little, forsake all drinking altogether..after all it is not about me anyways..right?
so..like Dr. Steve Deneff, a wesleyan pastor said..maybe the crown jewel is not agreeing, but submission, because i love my church, and believe in my church and the leadership and want to be a part of something bigger than me!
 
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I agree with the guy above submission doesn't necessitate agreement.
My churches decisional or synergisticregeneration and I believe in monergistic redemption.
 
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kenisyes

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Church is where I choose to Worship a Holly God. Have fellowship, and share or offer my gifts to anyone in or out of the Church.
Notice. teaching and belief does not enter into the list in this post, except to confirm what you mean by "holy God".

It's good you have a place that will let you do those things. I would also add exhort one another, and share what God gives me for the body (just a shade different from "offer my gifts..."). When you add those to the list, places where you can do that get harder to find.
 
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kenisyes

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It isn't a matter of what I believe. It is the fact that my church challanges me to grow in Christ.

Jesus law is love, and his gospel is peace.

Kef52
I answered the two posts in reverse order, as part of my point. This post mentions teaching and belief.

If you grow in Christ through challenge, then at any given time isn't there a challenge you have not yet grown into? Isn't the fact that you have something to grow into a "teaching" you are not yet sure if you have experienced enough to know you "believe"?

Realizing that some day, your church might challenge you to grow in a way you could consider wrong, throws light on my first post of how your question relates to people leaving churches. It's all related: the sharing, the fellowship, the challenge, and the belief, is it not? I think your question get at just how is it all related, and that makes it quite important.
 
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kenisyes

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A church is nothing less than the visible Body of Christ until He returns.
How can that be true of A church, rather than of the church? I assume this is a typo, and you mean is "part of the visible Body".
 
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kenisyes

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submission is not always the same as agreement with every tenet of faith the church leadership teaches..like me for example, i attend a wesleyan church..love it, its arminian in theology..as i am..teaches that good works are not what save you, but are a confirmation that you are saved and had genuine conversion..yet they are very much against alcohol, i do not drink much anymore..but I agree with them that drunkenness should not be what a believer partakes in..alcohol abuse has brought much heartache and evil to the world..and i can see good reasons for avoiding it..my only disagreement persee is that it is still a requirement for church membership there, that you must abstain from alcohol, yet i understand the reasons why they do so..other churches i was attending before would simply have you take a month's worth of weekend classes if that then walllah/tada..membership.
So i can appreciate their aiming high,having a standard and expectation required of those who wish to seek membership in their body..i do not think drinking in moderation should keep you from becoming a member, but that rule will probably not change anytime soon..and if i continue to attend a local wesleyan church(which i intend to) i am willing to submit to their authority and die to self a little, forsake all drinking altogether..after all it is not about me anyways..right?
so..like Dr. Steve Deneff, a wesleyan pastor said..maybe the crown jewel is not agreeing, but submission, because i love my church, and believe in my church and the leadership and want to be a part of something bigger than me!
Both in my post and yours, "if" is a big word. I think right now, it's about 36,000 denominations big. That's one new non-submissive leader every three weeks since Jesus rose. I'm glad you have a better solution.
 
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Kefa52

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A church is nothing less than the visible Body of Christ until He returns.

How can that be true of A church, rather than of the church? I assume this is a typo, and you mean is "part of the visible Body".
This is something I have had to understand in the past. to me "A Church" is the local body of believers that I worship with that are a part of "The body of Christ"..."The Church".

Kefa.
 
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Kefa52

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It seems like we are all in agreement here. we are just seeing it from different angles.
 
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kenisyes

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Yes, Kefa, I wanted to introduce what to me is the next logical question after your OP, "what are you going to do about it?" that is also why I brought up that church is (or at least should be) more than teaching.
 
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Kefa52

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When I say share my gifts.
I am not talking anything fancy or wierd here.
I took a class at another church once. It said I have the gift of "Helps".
I just share my gifts and tallents with what ever I am good at.
There are two areas that I am unexplainably good at, and seem tireless in. I am to tallented in these two areas. They have to be gifts.
If I boast in these two areas I boast in Christ.
I will tell you what I am not good at. Children drive me crazy. I am almost disfunctional(nervous) when it comes to doing readings.
 
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Yes, Kefa, I wanted to introduce what to me is the next logical question after your OP, "what are you going to do about it?" that is also why I brought up that church is (or at least should be) more than teaching.
This is coppied rite off of our Church site. This is what we do.

Immanuel is a young church that exists because of the Gospel and for the Gospel. We believe that the only reasonable response to the fact that Christ died to set us free from our sin (Romans 8:1-2) and rose that we might have life (John 20:31) and be called the children of God (1 John 3:1) is to begin to live in a radically different way. Many people follow Jesus, but few become true disciples. The call to have saving faith in Christ is the call to radical discipleship (Matthew 7:17-21).

A church is nothing less than the visible Body of Christ until He returns. It is made up of imperfect people who have Jesus Christ as their Lord and are in the process of being made in His image. Because we love God, we love all people as bearers of His image (Matthew 22:37-39).

The church exists for three reasons: (1) the praise and glory of God; (2) sharing the Gospel with the entire world; and (3) making disciples (Matthew 28:18-20).

Immanuel has three core commitments:
1.Radical Discipleship
2.Biblical, Theological, and Implicational Teaching
3.Being On-Mission Locally and Globally
We are an independent church with a casual atmosphere and a blended worship style. We are a church made up of various denominational and religious backgrounds.

I am not sure I get your question.