Should we eat unclean meat of the old testament?

[Laodicea]

We have the liberty to eat whatever we want as long as it not harmful to the health.
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage (Gal 5:1).

So how do we know what is harmful to health or not? The Bible already has a list of clean and unclean showing what is good and what is not. Jesus death did not make the unclean animals clean. Jesus died to make us clean.

 

[LawofLove]

True and yet there are also verses in the NT that pertain to not being afraid of eating food offered to gods because God is greater and will protect them from harm.

OK, This does not mean that you can eat anything you want though. If I remember correctly even those who worship other gods did not offer up pig or unclean meat, even the false religions of that day seen it to be unclean.

 

[Tintin]

So are you suggesting that God provided a vision pertaining to unclean animals but still didn't allow the eating of unclean animals? Are you saying some animals are still unclean for Christians and that we shouldn't eat them?

 

[Laodicea]

So are you suggesting that God provided a vision pertaining to unclean animals but still didn't allow the eating of unclean animals? Are you saying some animals are still unclean for Christians and that we shouldn't eat them?

If you are referring to Acts 10 then it is talking about Gentiles.
Acts 10:13-15 KJV
(13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
(14) But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
(15) And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Acts 10:28 KJV
(28) And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 

[LawofLove]

So are you suggesting that God provided a vision pertaining to unclean animals but still didn't allow the eating of unclean animals? Are you saying some animals are still unclean for Christians and that we shouldn't eat them?

Well if your talking about Act chapter 10 and 11 about the vision? If so where in that vision do you see that its OK to eat unclean things. Act 10:28 says that we should not call "man common or unclean", verse 17 tells us even peter "wondered within himself what this visions meaning is. We should not trying to guess what the bible says let the bible show us. That's why Act 10:28 tells us the meaning.

 

[Tintin]

Context. Read the whole chapter. It refers to both unclean animals and supposedly unclean people - the Gentiles.

 

[psychomom]

Romans 14

Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. [SUP]2 [/SUP]One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; [SUP]8 [/SUP]for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall give praise to God.”


[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; [SUP]17 [/SUP]for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. [SUP]19 [/SUP]So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

 

[psychomom]

I understand that to mean we accept and fellowship with the 'weaker brother', and don't judge what he or she does in that weakness of faith, because they're not our servants, but God's.

We are limited in what we can eat and what days we observe only by our faith.
If you have faith to eat bacon...eat bacon!

If you don't have faith for it, don't do it.

Attitudes aside, the important thing is to lift up and glorify the Lord, right?

 

[loveme1]

Acts 15

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, andfrom things strangled, and from blood. 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day

This may also help the original poster in their search.

Some will use scripture to support that there is no offence yet this does declare that some things are to be abstained from as a "Gentile".

This seems like the requirement being stated.

The Messiah states that some are eating things they should not and he is not pleased with this, so we learn that we can eat things with offence:

Revelation 2

[SUP]14 [/SUP]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Remember it is the Spirit that puts the food into the body that Heavenly Father wishes to be worshiped by in Truth.

 

[Laodicea]

3 John 1:2 KJV
(2) Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

How can we be in health if we eat things that are unhealthy? The Bible is clear as to what is healthy and unhealthy by telling us what is clean and unclean.

 

[Kefa52]

Looking at the list of clean. It looks like a low fat, medium cholesterol, safe diet to me. Immagine that.

[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR="bgcolor: #F5F5F5"]
[TD="width: 24%"]Mammals That Chew the Cud and Part the Hoof
Antelope

Bison (buffalo)

Caribou

Cattle (beef, veal)

Deer (venison)

Elk

Gazelle

Giraffe

Goat

Hart

Ibex

Moose

Ox

Reindeer

Sheep (lamb, mutton)
[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"] Fish With Fins and Scales
Anchovy

Barracuda

Bass

Black pomfret (or monchong)

Bluefish

Bluegill

Carp

Cod

Crappie

Drum

Flounder

Grouper

Grunt

Haddock

Hake

Halibut

Hardhead

Herring (or alewife)

Kingfish

Mackerel(or corbia)

Mahimahi (or dorado, dolphinfish[not to be confused with the mammal dolphin])
[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"] Minnow

Mullet

Perch (or bream)

Pike (or pickerel or jack)

Pollack (or pollock or Boston bluefish)

Rockfish

Salmon

Sardine (or pilchard)

Shad

Silver hake (or whiting)

Smelt (or frost fish or ice fish)

Snapper (or ebu, jobfish, lehi, onaga, opakapaka or uku)

Sole

Steelhead

Sucker

Sunfish

Tarpon

Trout (or weakfish)

Tuna (or ahi, aku, albacore, bonito

or tombo)

Turbot (except European turbot)

Whitefish
[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"] Birds With Clean Characteristics
Chicken

Dove

Duck

Goose

Grouse

Guinea fowl

Partridge

Peafowl

Pheasant

Pigeon

Prairie chicken

Ptarmigan

Quail

Sagehen

Sparrow (and other songbirds)

Swan*

Teal

Turkey
Insects
Types of locusts that may include crickets and grasshoppers
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
* In the King James Version, Leviticus 11:18And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
See All... and Deuteronomy 14:16The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
See All... list "swan" among unclean birds. However, this seems to be a mistranslation. The original word apparently refers to a kind of owl and is so translated in most modern Bible versions.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

Jesus said,
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Barnes writes,
"Christ replies that what they should eat could not render them sinners. the man, the moral agent, the soul, could not be pollute by anything that was eaten."

Gill writes,
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth the man,....No sorts of meats, or drinks, or whatever is proper food for men, or manner of eating and drinking them, when moderately used, defile a man, or render him loathsome and odious in the sight of God. This is directly opposite to the notions of the Jews, who say that "forbidden meats are unclean themselves, and defile both body and soul." The first food of man was herbs; after the flood he had an allowance of the flesh of beasts, without distinction; under the Levitical dispensation, a difference of meats was enjoined to be observed; the laws respecting that distinction are now abolished, and not binding on us under the Gospel dispensation. Some scruples, about some of these things, did arise among the first Christians; but in process of time these difficulties were got over: nor is there any religion in abstinence from any sort of food; men, indeed, on a "physical" account, ought to be careful what they eat and drink, but not on a religious one; moderation in all ought to be used; and whatever is ate or drank, should be received with thankfulness, and done to the glory of God, and then no defilement can arise from hence:

But that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. It is sin, and that only, which takes its rise from the heart, lies in thought, and is either expressed by the mouth, or performed by some outward action, which defiles the man, and renders him loathsome, abominable, and odious in the sight of God. The heart is the source of all evil; the pollution of it is very early, and very general, reaching to all the powers and faculties of the soul; which shows the ignorance of some, and folly of others, that talk of, and trust to the goodness of their hearts; and also the necessity of new hearts and right spirits being formed and created; and that the sinful thoughts of the hearts, and the lusts thereof, are defiling to men; and that they are sinful in God's account, and abominable in his sight; that they are loathsome to sensible simmers, and are to be repented of, and forsaken by them; and need the pardoning grace of God or otherwise will be brought into judgment. Sinful words, which, through the abundance of wickedness in the heart, come out of the mouth, have the same influence and effect: words are of a defiling nature; with these men pollute both themselves and others: the tongue, though a little member, defiles the whole body; and evil and corrupt communication proceeding out of the mouth, corrupts the best of manners, and renders men loathsome to God, and liable to his awful judgment. And this is the nature of all sinful actions; they are what God can take no pleasure in; they are disagreeable, to a sensible mind; they leave a stain, which can never be removed by any thing the creature can do; nothing short of the blood of Christ can cleanse from it; and inasmuch as they are frequently committed, ther is need of continual application to it. These are now the things men should be concerned about, as of a defiling nature; and not about meats and drinks, and the manner of using them, whether with hands washed, or unwashed.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

This subject always brings much division amongst the believers. In my opinion those who teach we are to eat according to the law are not recognizing the truth of the gospel.


In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[Laodicea]

Matthew 15:1-2 KJV
(1) Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
(2) Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Matthew 15:16-20 KJV(16) And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.


Jesus was talking about eating with unwashed hands and tradition. Jesus was not saying that people could eat anything.

 

[mark54]

Matthew 15:1-2 KJV
(1) Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
(2) Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Matthew 15:16-20 KJV(16) And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
(17) Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
(18) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
(19) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
(20) These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.


Jesus was talking about eating with unwashed hands and tradition. Jesus was not saying that people could eat anything.

My NIV states:

Don't you see that nothing thast venters a man vfrom the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach than out of his body(in saying this Jesus declared all foods clean)
Mark7:19

According to what you have written, would you say the NIV is an unsafe translation of the Bible?

Or I have misunderstood what you have written?

 

[Laodicea]

My NIV states:

Don't you see that nothing thast venters a man vfrom the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach than out of his body(in saying this Jesus declared all foods clean)
Mark7:19

According to what you have written, would you say the NIV is an unsafe translation of the Bible?

Or I have misunderstood what you have written?

If you think Jesus declared all foods to be OK then we can eat rats and dogs and cockroaches? Jesus was not giving a lesson on health, He was against the tradition of the Pharisees which taught things not in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it talk about washing of hands before eating which if you read the context of the chapter that is what it is talking about.

 

[Tintin]

Judging by his use of the KJV, he may be a KJV-onlyist.

 

[mark54]

If you think Jesus declared all foods to be OK then we can eat rats and dogs and cockroaches? Jesus was not giving a lesson on health, He was against the tradition of the Pharisees which taught things not in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it talk about washing of hands before eating which if you read the context of the chapter that is what it is talking about.

Well I will leave it there. I seldom, if ever discusss this subject. To my way of thinking God is far more concerned with how much of my life I will yield to him from the heart, how much I will take up my cross and follow after his son, how much I will yield to the Spirit's leading in my life so that sin will have less and less hold on me, than what foods I eat or don't eat.
But I recognise not everyone sees it the way I do.

 

[HelenTn]

Originally Posted by loveme1

Something to consider:

Revelation 2:20...because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.


Hi Loveme1 , this verse is very obvious for the foods who sacrificed for idols, especially for buddhist, because they have to worship the idols with food and after the worshipping done, they will eat the food for celebration.
Okay this is what i found in online bible verses
1) Its true that God not allow us to eat meat at first
Genesis 9:4

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.

2) After that in Exodus
Exodus 12:8

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

3) in proverbs show this, maybe some scientists prove it i'm not sure....Proverbs 15:17

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Better a small serving of vegetables with love
than a fattened calf with hatred.



3）In New Testament,
Titus 1:14-15

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted
4) This one is extra one .... John 13:34-35

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]34 [/SUP]“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.[SUP]35 [/SUP]By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”



Have a Blessed Day....

 

[loveme1]

Originally Posted by loveme1

Something to consider:

Revelation 2:20...because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.


Hi Loveme1 , this verse is very obvious for the foods who sacrificed for idols, especially for buddhist, because they have to worship the idols with food and after the worshipping done, they will eat the food for celebration.
Okay this is what i found in online bible verses
1) Its true that God not allow us to eat meat at first
Genesis 9:4

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.

2) After that in Exodus
Exodus 12:8

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

3) in proverbs show this, maybe some scientists prove it i'm not sure....Proverbs 15:17

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Better a small serving of vegetables with love
than a fattened calf with hatred.



3）In New Testament,
Titus 1:14-15

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted
4) This one is extra one .... John 13:34-35

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]34 [/SUP]“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.[SUP]35 [/SUP]By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”



Have a Blessed Day....

Yes, indeed it speaks of the idol part, but the message does beg to differ with the idea that some have that we can eat anything..

Titus 1

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.[SUP]
10 [/SUP]For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

i'm not speaking commandments of men.

i'm sure i'm not guilty of denying Heavenly Father(let the breath leave me now than be guilty of this) and can not see disobedience in sharing scripture.

i don't believe i'm an evil beast but have no moral high ground for i have done much wrong that he came to save me from.

i'm however guilty of believing that all would read and understand the Scripture and can see how i should not overlook that some may not.

i thank all who took the opportunity to point this out to me today.

 

[Elin]

"However, you may slaughter and eat meat within any of your gates, whatever you desire, according to the blessing of the LORD your God which He has given you; the unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and the deer. Only you shall not eat the blood; you are to pour it out on the ground like water" - Deuteronomy 12:15-16

So here God allowed the Israelites to eat any clean and unclean meat, only that you shall not eat the blood but you are to pour it out on the ground like water.

God even permitted it back then! But even the Lord Jesus told us it doesnt matter what we eat, its our innerself.

Read it again.

The clean and the unclean are the people qualified to eat the meat God allows, and in the OT that is only clean meat.