Hello every one. I can find no verse in the scriptures that states the scriptures are the only infallible rule of faith and practice. You mind say there are verses that say other things, but can we agree that there is no verse that states the scriptures are the only infallible rule of faith and practice.
Can anyone show me where in the bible says scripture ONLY!
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Clearly it doesn't. Even if it did it wouldn't be that compelling. If I say something then say that that I'm right about it it isn't compelling.
The New Testament affirms that the Scriptures (Old Testament) is inspired by God and all around good. Being inspired by God fairly well equates to being infallible, though certainly not the only rule of faith and practice.
Whatever they profess every denomination adds some kind of credo and philosophy to scripture to get their doctrine.
The New Testament affirms that the Scriptures (Old Testament) is inspired by God and all around good. Being inspired by God fairly well equates to being infallible, though certainly not the only rule of faith and practice.
Whatever they profess every denomination adds some kind of credo and philosophy to scripture to get their doctrine.
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You won't find any explicit statements like: "Rock022, it is true that scripture and only scripture is the source of spiritual truth." You'll find the teaching throughout scripture though. Just as one must examine much of scripture to arrive at a Trinitarian view.
That being said, what you're about to do is engage in a serious lack of logic.
You cannot in any way establish Roman Catholic "Sacred" Tradition without simply assuming it. Your lack of understanding scripture, does not provide justification for bringing in external sources, especially ones that contradict scripture.
That being said, what you're about to do is engage in a serious lack of logic.
You cannot in any way establish Roman Catholic "Sacred" Tradition without simply assuming it. Your lack of understanding scripture, does not provide justification for bringing in external sources, especially ones that contradict scripture.
The Word is Jesus and also the Gospel. And we are told that Jesus speaks the truth. He is not a lier. Jesus is full of light and no darkness lives in Him. So if no darkness lives in Him, how can darkness (being lies, deception and falsness) come from Him? 1 John:
[h=3]1 John 1-7[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]The Incarnation of the Word of Life[/h]1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. [SUP]3 [/SUP]We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. [SUP]4 [/SUP]We write this to make our[SUP][a][/SUP] joy complete.
[h=3]Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[SUP][b][/SUP] sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
[h=3]Love and Hatred for Fellow Believers[/h][SUP]3 [/SUP]We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.[SUP]5 [/SUP]But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[SUP][c][/SUP] is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.
Revelation 22:8-21
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
Epilogue: Invitation and Warning
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[SUP][a][/SUP] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.
the scroll is the Word of God, or jesus, or the gospel or the bible if you will! Its true and its been around for a long time. People from all ages, scholars and very important people have tried to rid it and it will and has never happend. Becasue God is bigger than they are, and bigger than anything. When He wants His people to know Him He will. He can be known in many ways. Through the bible, in miraculous miracles, and even in dreams and visions. You can't shut up the Almighty God or make Him go away just with a crazy idea like pretending He is only a bad half truth or a impact of a wrongly digested meal.
God is alive and well and theirs nothing anyone can do about it. They will get their proof, one way or another. I just pray it will be before its too late before their time is up... Remember,, a half truth is still a lie.. That is all it took for Eve in the garden to get fooled by the serpent into trickery and look where we are all ended up now.. Someone has to pay the price for thier choices.. The question is.. Are we going to let Jesus take the free gift for us that He already gave so we dont have that guilt upon us.... or are we going to still remain guilty... That choice is up to us... For me.. I choose Jesus!!!!! Praise God!!!!!
[h=3]1 John 1-7[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]The Incarnation of the Word of Life[/h]1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. [SUP]3 [/SUP]We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. [SUP]4 [/SUP]We write this to make our[SUP][a][/SUP] joy complete.
[h=3]Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[SUP][b][/SUP] sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
[h=3]Love and Hatred for Fellow Believers[/h][SUP]3 [/SUP]We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.[SUP]5 [/SUP]But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[SUP][c][/SUP] is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.
Revelation 22:8-21
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
Epilogue: Invitation and Warning
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[SUP][a][/SUP] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.
the scroll is the Word of God, or jesus, or the gospel or the bible if you will! Its true and its been around for a long time. People from all ages, scholars and very important people have tried to rid it and it will and has never happend. Becasue God is bigger than they are, and bigger than anything. When He wants His people to know Him He will. He can be known in many ways. Through the bible, in miraculous miracles, and even in dreams and visions. You can't shut up the Almighty God or make Him go away just with a crazy idea like pretending He is only a bad half truth or a impact of a wrongly digested meal.
God is alive and well and theirs nothing anyone can do about it. They will get their proof, one way or another. I just pray it will be before its too late before their time is up... Remember,, a half truth is still a lie.. That is all it took for Eve in the garden to get fooled by the serpent into trickery and look where we are all ended up now.. Someone has to pay the price for thier choices.. The question is.. Are we going to let Jesus take the free gift for us that He already gave so we dont have that guilt upon us.... or are we going to still remain guilty... That choice is up to us... For me.. I choose Jesus!!!!! Praise God!!!!!
Which is, at the bedrock, what all Christians do with Scripture itself. The presupposition is fundamentally the same.
On the other hand if you don't simply presuppose scripture is right, but believe it for its effectiveness, then must in turn allow others to believe things other than scripture based on their evaluation of its effectiveness.
Personally I like the second option, because it gives me room to argue against other texts on the same grounds that I stand on scripture. But on those grounds I teach from things other than scripture myself, and so do not run into the problem Rock is pointing out.
On the other hand if you don't simply presuppose scripture is right, but believe it for its effectiveness, then must in turn allow others to believe things other than scripture based on their evaluation of its effectiveness.
Personally I like the second option, because it gives me room to argue against other texts on the same grounds that I stand on scripture. But on those grounds I teach from things other than scripture myself, and so do not run into the problem Rock is pointing out.
Well so far no one has been able to proof to me "Sola Scripture"
I left the roman catholic church for many years because evangelicals claimed I was in the wrong church, then one day it hit me...
They teach me scripture only but no one can show me a verse where it says this. You put two and two together and come up with it, that to me is a man made believe.
I left the roman catholic church for many years because evangelicals claimed I was in the wrong church, then one day it hit me...
They teach me scripture only but no one can show me a verse where it says this. You put two and two together and come up with it, that to me is a man made believe.
Sola Scriptura only means that the bible contains all knowledge nessisary for salvation and holiness.
No one disagrees with that, not even you.
But not being able to use extra biblical literature is another stance that as far as I knew only some extremists took. Some evangelicals take that stance, others don't.
All evangelicals do hold that the teaching of scripture is paramount, and that the authority of scripture supersedes the authority of other text, institution, or medium.
It is not hard to make a case that scripture is of highest authority, it is impossible to make it the only authority, as it does not say that. Both of those positions are called Sola Scriptura. The former is good, the latter is bad.
No one disagrees with that, not even you.
But not being able to use extra biblical literature is another stance that as far as I knew only some extremists took. Some evangelicals take that stance, others don't.
All evangelicals do hold that the teaching of scripture is paramount, and that the authority of scripture supersedes the authority of other text, institution, or medium.
It is not hard to make a case that scripture is of highest authority, it is impossible to make it the only authority, as it does not say that. Both of those positions are called Sola Scriptura. The former is good, the latter is bad.