homosexuality

[jimmydiggs]

@Newcause

One doesn't have to have much for a skill in reading comprehension to see that scripture quite clearly describes Homosexual sin as just that, sin. That being said... there are many who try to create disputes and debates over something in which there is no real debate or dispute. Unfortunately this is fairly common. This doesn't just apply with the Christian bible either, but a many numerous applications can be found for this insight.

Lawyers can be very good at this.

 

[Grandpa]

If you judge someone's lifestyle don't be suprised he will judge your lifestyle too; it works both ways. Now I guess being a christian, with everything that goes with it, is a very important part of your personality. So if one of the truths you hold dear is being criticized you might get hurt or offended as a person too.
Same goes for gays: if you're gay you can't just decide to STOP being gay, because being gay is too much a part of your personality. So even if you decide to ONLY judge the ACTIONS of someone who's gay, maybe with the best of intentions, that someone might still get hurt or offended as a PERSON. He never chose to be gay, since he was born that way. Being christian, on the other hand, is still a choice. Doesn't that all depend on one's free will to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour?

That is the point of being a christian. Our lifestyle is SUPPOSED to change. It is supposed to be judged.

No one says the alcoholic can't just stop drinking because alcohol is too much a part of his life. No one says don't judge the alcoholic because he was born that way. Why do you think that is?

Its the same way with all lifestyles that are against God and hurtful to the ones living them. That's the point of Christianity. Its to take all the things in your life that are against God and hurtful to yourself and give them to God so He can change you and cause you to see past yourself and actually Love people the way He does.

A loving person doesn't tell someone who is hurting themself to go ahead and keep doing it. A loving person isn't worried so much that you will be offended by the truth that your lifestyle is detrimental to you and those around you. A loving person cares about you and wants to see you made whole before God.

Being offended is a big deal to the prideful. Its not such a big deal to the christian. The truth is the truth and we all have to work through it, whether we are offended by it or not...

 

[Newcause]

That is the point of being a christian. Our lifestyle is SUPPOSED to change. It is supposed to be judged.

No one says the alcoholic can't just stop drinking because alcohol is too much a part of his life. No one says don't judge the alcoholic because he was born that way. Why do you think that is?


Its the same way with all lifestyles that are against God and hurtful to the ones living them. That's the point of Christianity. Its to take all the things in your life that are against God and hurtful to yourself and give them to God so He can change you and cause you to see past yourself and actually Love people the way He does.

A loving person doesn't tell someone who is hurting themself to go ahead and keep doing it. A loving person isn't worried so much that you will be offended by the truth that your lifestyle is detrimental to you and those around you. A loving person cares about you and wants to see you made whole before God.

Being offended is a big deal to the prideful. Its not such a big deal to the christian. The truth is the truth and we all have to work through it, whether we are offended by it or not...

Funny enough to most gays their sexual orientation only becomes a problem when a certain christian stance on homosexuality is brought up. And by the way, we should indeed try to help an alcoholic, because OBJECTIVELY speaking his behaviour is disastrous to his body, mind and life: that's true regardless of your life's philosophy.
Being gay, on the other hand, is only considered damaging if you agree with a certain interpretation of the bible, so that's a subjective truth. It's sad that this interpertation is keeping a lot of LBGT people from accepting Christ.
In short: to a lot of people being gay isn't a problem until it's being made a problem.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Funny enough to most gays their sexual orientation only becomes a problem when a certain christian stance on homosexuality is brought up. And by the way, we should indeed try to help an alcoholic, because OBJECTIVELY speaking his behaviour is disastrous to his body, mind and life: that's true regardless of your life's philosophy.
Being gay, on the other hand, is only considered damaging if you agree with a certain interpretation of the bible, so that's a subjective truth. It's sad that this interpertation is keeping a lot of LBGT people from accepting Christ.
In short: to a lot of people being gay isn't a problem until it's being made a problem.

What if I don't agree with your subjective interpretation of alcohlism being dangerous to the body? What now?

 

[Eagleridge]

Ahhhh.... THE WISDOM OF THE SEASONED CHRISTIAN....right on Red Tent ....SO true .....born again 30 years ago and I'm 67...still seeking wisdom......notice ...you can never hope to save someone out of the world if you talk about the "SIN ISSUE" ..... allow wisdom to lead you .....follow the example of Jesus ....and how he ministered to people ....he looked upon the heart .....if someone was challenging Him, He would come right out and call them out (the Pharisees and Scribes ..."You hypocrites")...but if someone was sincere, he took the time to give them answers to their questions (consider Nichodemus) ...all that to say this ....never argue with someone .....you can show them Romans Chapter 1 and Leviticus 18: 22-24 and they will fight you on it if their heart is not right ....they don't want to hear IT...people have to WANT the Truth to hear IT ...Jesus said: "I AM the Truth" ...they're rejecting Him because if they ever come to terms with IT they will be accountable .. that's why so many people argue....to convince themselves. So don't beat yourself up trying but...don't ever give up trying. Lord bless y'all - Paul

 

[Eagleridge]

And for those that would tell you that all of this is Old Testament and not pertinent - go to the Book of Romans, Chapter 1, where Paul "tells it like it IS" - good luck trying to justify the act of homosexuality with those Scriptures

 

[Newcause]

What if I don't agree with your subjective interpretation of alcohlism being dangerous to the body? What now?

If you fail to acknowledge the dangers of excessive drinking, you run the risk of becoming an alcoholic yourself. Just go ask my dad....
Drinking too much is very bad for your spelling skills too, by the way...

 

[Matthew4Jesus]

Got called a bigot the other day for explaining to a girl how homosexuality is a sin. I was not judging or using westboro tatics how do we handle this?

Trust me buddy, this is good. Stand up for the truth no matter how unpopular it makes you. I regard speaking to super-liberal people, and those who wash down the word of God as one of the most frusrating experiences ever, and I mean ever!

My Solution: Know the Bible back to front. It shows that God is clearly against Homosexuality. The better you know the Bible, the easier it become to argue a sciptually sound case for whatever you're advocating/against.

 

[jimmydiggs]

If you fail to acknowledge the dangers of excessive drinking, you run the risk of becoming an alcoholic yourself. Just go ask my dad....
Drinking too much is very bad for your spelling skills too, by the way...

Spelling is subjective. As language is subjective. What's so bad about being alcoholic?

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

Funny enough to most gays their sexual orientation only becomes a problem when a certain christian stance on homosexuality is brought up. And by the way, we should indeed try to help an alcoholic, because OBJECTIVELY speaking his behaviour is disastrous to his body, mind and life: that's true regardless of your life's philosophy.
Being gay, on the other hand, is only considered damaging if you agree with a certain interpretation of the bible, so that's a subjective truth. It's sad that this interpertation is keeping a lot of LBGT people from accepting Christ.
In short: to a lot of people being gay isn't a problem until it's being made a problem.

We beleieve in bible to be the word of God,n if u have a issue with that,then its ur problem.
We beleieve in regeneration of heart,in other words its By the power of God that one gets born again,not by repeating a prayer to accept Christ.
Homosexuality or drinking problem bible says or tell us to deny ourselves,carry our cross n follow Christ.

 

[Newcause]

We beleieve in bible to be the word of God,n if u have a issue with that,then its ur problem.
We beleieve in regeneration of heart,in other words its By the power of God that one gets born again,not by repeating a prayer to accept Christ.
Homosexuality or drinking problem bible says or tell us to deny ourselves,carry our cross n follow Christ.

I have no issue with that, I respect all religions and credes and think everyone should be allowed to believe in what ever he wants. Live and let live, I say. On the other hand I also think, for instance, christians shouldn't make it THEIR problem if someone's gay. As long as that person is happy, why bother him with your interpretation of ancient jewish law. In short, to use your words: if anyone has an issue with someone being gay, that's THEIR problem.

Spelling is subjective. Aslanguage is subjective. What's so bad about being alcoholic?

Really?
No offense, but I just stopped taking your comments seriously. And maybe that's for the best, since it seems to me you never had an intention to take my remarks seriously to begin with. I had better ignore you now, I think.

 

[Grandpa]

Funny enough to most gays their sexual orientation only becomes a problem when a certain christian stance on homosexuality is brought up..

When God is present lots of people become uncomfortable with their lifestyle

And by the way, we should indeed try to help an alcoholic, because OBJECTIVELY speaking his behaviour is disastrous to his body, mind and life: that's true regardless of your life's philosophy.

That is the same with the gay lifestyle.

Being gay, on the other hand, is only considered damaging if you agree with a certain interpretation of the bible, so that's a subjective truth. It's sad that this interpertation is keeping a lot of LBGT people from accepting Christ.
In short: to a lot of people being gay isn't a problem until it's being made a problem.

A lot of people hate God and His Word. I guess they don't like being told that what they are doing is wrong...

 

[Eagleridge]

With all due respect New Cause - the gay issue is addressed in explicit detail in ROMANS CHAPTER 1 - anyone who can read this passage of New Testament Scripture and still believe that the GAY lifestyle is not an ABOMINATION to God is in total denial - they would, in fact, have to renounce God's Word as THE AUTHORITY that it is on the moral issue - I can love my dad, my brother, my cousin, my buddy (natural affection) but have sex with them (and that's what homosexuality is - changing the natural use of the woman or the man - just stop and think of how gross it is for two males to engage in the sex act - through the anal canal - really? and that's okay?) no only physically discusting but morally and spiritually - and the schools are teaching this to our kids today? Shame on anyone that promotes it much less lives it - not my words but the Word of God - and one last thing - if it truly was LIVE AND LET LIVE - Jesus wouldn't have come to earth to die on a cross. Lord bless - Paul

 

[Newcause]

The quotes are by Grandpa'.

'When God is present lots of people become uncomfortable with their lifestyle'

So by mentioning bible verses you can summon God at will? Funny, I thought christians believed God to be autonomous. Isn't God supposed to be omnipresent?


'That is the same with the gay lifestyle'

Objectively speaking, so apart from any life philosophy, being gay doesn't have to be harmful to anyone: NOT to the person involved OR anyone else around him. Being gay isn't a 'lifestyle' by the way, because a lifestyle is something you adopt by choice, like being a christian, for instance. Gay people, on the other hand, can't help being gay.
Drinking too much, on the other hand, IS very bad for you. The harmful and destructive consequences of alcoholism, to body and mind, can be medically and scientifically determined as an scientifically proven, objective truth.


'A lot of people hate God and His Word. I guess they don't like being told that what they are doing is wrong.'

There are plenty of people, christians too, that don't share your interpretation of the bible on homosexuality. That doesn't necessarily have to mean they hate 'God' or the bible; I for once respect all religions. Who's to say what is the right interpretation anyway? Can you really speak on God's behalf?
So if I, if anybody else for that matter, doesn't agree with you, that doesn't have to mean I'm wrong by default.

 

[Newcause]

With all due respect New Cause - the gay issue is addressed in explicit detail in ROMANS CHAPTER 1 - anyone who can read this passage of New Testament Scripture and still believe that the GAY lifestyle is not an ABOMINATION to God is in total denial - they would, in fact, have to renounce God's Word as THE AUTHORITY that it is on the moral issue - I can love my dad, my brother, my cousin, my buddy (natural affection) but have sex with them (and that's what homosexuality is - changing the natural use of the woman or the man - just stop and think of how gross it is for two males to engage in the sex act - through the anal canal - really? and that's okay?) no only physically discusting but morally and spiritually - and the schools are teaching this to our kids today? Shame on anyone that promotes it much less lives it - not my words but the Word of God - and one last thing - if it truly was LIVE AND LET LIVE - Jesus wouldn't have come to earth to die on a cross. Lord bless - Paul

I appreciate your respect for me. It's a good thing you wrote the word 'authority' in caps, because it's a key word in this whole discussion, I think. Objectively speaking biblical verses ONLY have authority for people who believe in them. That doesn't mean all christians have to come to the same conclusion when it comes to a certain verse though. On the contrary, the quote you mentioned maybe isn't about gay people at all. Oh, and by the way... did you really HAVE to describe in detail how it works for two guys? As if sex is the only thing that matters in a gay relationship, or in any relationship for that matter.

 

[oldhermit]

One very disturbing truth we learn from Rom 1 on this matter is that the practice and embrace of homosexuality as a social norm is the final stage of total social declination. When a society has fallen so far it has no place else to go. All that remains is the judgement of God.

 

[BarlyGurl]

. Objectively speaking biblical verses ONLY have authority for people who believe in them. Entirely False... God is ALWAYS the authority whether YOU or anybody else believes in HIM, about HIM or what HIS instruction is on any given issue. You only fool yourself with that thinking...
That doesn't mean all christians have to come to the same conclusion when it comes to a certain verse though. Well, as a matter of fact they Don't and unfortunately some people are going to discover "believism" does not equate DUE DILLAGENCE in scripture learning and are gonna spend eternity... NOT where they were expecting.

 

[Eagleridge]

Uh ... hello .....THAT (the graphic description is EXACTLY what HOMESEXUALITY is) ...sex between sane sex partners - anything else is not a gay relationship - like I said...I can love my dad, my brother, my friend...that's not a gay relationship .... and to think society is now allowing these gay partners to adopt innocent children ..guess what they're going to learn ...that it's okay to be in one of these abominable relationships (according to the Word of God) ..and yes I used respect because I'm not attacking you or your belief, just shedding Biblical light on it from God's AUTHORITY on the matter - like I said..if you want to debate this......you're determined to convince yourself that the lifestyle is okay with God ... black and white..IT'S NOT ... and by the way...how can you conclude ANYthing else from Romans 1 ? ........(quote) .. the "natural use" of bodies ....slam dunk bud ....Lord bless

 

[Mahogany89]

Actually God does speak about homosexuality in the bible and it is a sin, in fact God states that it is an abomination. Now if your asking if someone try's to hide behind the word of God by changing the doctrine around to satisfy their own agenda or dislike of something or someone, then yes that's wrong. However, when you are born again and develop a relationship with God, you are transformed and you begin to think more like Him and act more like Him. Your thinking begins to line up with His word and His will.

 

[Mahogany89]

If you start off with a preconceived idea about gays (for instance), and ONLY use the bible to justify your opinion, isn't that sin too? Shouldn't a christian begin with listening to Jesus' words first, and base his opinion on that, and not have an opinion first and only use Jesus' words to prove his point later?
That homosexuality is a sin isn't a fact, but an opinion, based upon how certain christians read the bible. For me as a non believer the whole concept of 'sin 'doesn't exist, although I can understand that it's real for you. I'm not saying that all christians who say homosexuality is a sin are bigots. If they came to that conclusion from reading the bible, then that's their conviction, and in a free country I have to respect that. Anyone a bigot however if he's only using the bible to justify his a preconceived idea about gays. In short: for a christian God's word should come first, not his own opinion, dont you agree?

Actually God does speak about homosexuality in the bible and it is a sin, in fact God states that it is an abomination. Now if your asking if someone try's to hide behind the word of God by changing the doctrine around to satisfy their own agenda or dislike of something or someone, then yes that's wrong. However, when you are born again and develop a relationship with God, you are transformed and you begin to think more like Him and act more like Him. Your thinking begins to line up with His word and His will.