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Luke 9
The Transfiguration
28Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and John and James and went up on the mountain to pray. 29And as he was praying, the appearance of his face was altered, and his clothing became dazzling white. 30And behold, two men were talking with him, Moses and Elijah, 31who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure,b which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32Now Peter and those who were with him were heavy with sleep, but when they became fully awake they saw his glory and the two men who stood with him. 33And as the men were parting from him, Peter said to Jesus, “Master, it is good that we are here. Let us make three tents, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah”—not knowing what he said. 34As he was saying these things, a cloud came and overshadowed them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, my Chosen One;c listen to him!” 36And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silent and told no one in those days anything of what they had seen.
He clearly had a material Body on the Mt.
Glorified for sure....but still a body, and why would it be any body other than the one He had?
that's the one that was NOT in the Tomb.
Elin is right that i can see.
Luke 24:39
Look at My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Touch Me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have."
and there's no blood mentioned in His Resurrected Body
The Transfiguration
28Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and John and James and went up on the mountain to pray. 29And as he was praying, the appearance of his face was altered, and his clothing became dazzling white. 30And behold, two men were talking with him, Moses and Elijah, 31who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure,b which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32Now Peter and those who were with him were heavy with sleep, but when they became fully awake they saw his glory and the two men who stood with him. 33And as the men were parting from him, Peter said to Jesus, “Master, it is good that we are here. Let us make three tents, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah”—not knowing what he said. 34As he was saying these things, a cloud came and overshadowed them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, my Chosen One;c listen to him!” 36And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. And they kept silent and told no one in those days anything of what they had seen.
He clearly had a material Body on the Mt.
Glorified for sure....but still a body, and why would it be any body other than the one He had?
that's the one that was NOT in the Tomb.
Elin is right that i can see.
Luke 24:39
Look at My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Touch Me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have."
and there's no blood mentioned in His Resurrected Body
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Mark54,
If you are truly interested in another view...
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom
it will help you sort out the meaning of your question.
Honestly I found this page After I had did my last post.
If you are truly interested in another view...
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom
it will help you sort out the meaning of your question.
Honestly I found this page After I had did my last post.
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Rev 5:5 KJV - And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:6 KJV - And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Did Jesus' beloved lie about what he saw?
Rev 5:6 KJV - And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Did Jesus' beloved lie about what he saw?
J
Jhn 21:12 KJV - Jesus saith unto them, Come [and] dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
Jesus is sitting and asking them to come and dine. So explain the next verse.
Jhn 21:13 KJV - Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.
Jesus is sitting and asking them to come and dine. So explain the next verse.
Jhn 21:13 KJV - Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.
J
Jhn 20:15 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Unrecognized!
Jhn 20:15 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Jhn 20:19 KJV - Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.
Jhn 20:20 KJV - And when he had so said, he shewed unto them [his] hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
Recognized!
TWO BODIES! TWO ENTITIES!
Unrecognized!
Jhn 20:15 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Jhn 20:19 KJV - Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.
Jhn 20:20 KJV - And when he had so said, he shewed unto them [his] hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
Recognized!
TWO BODIES! TWO ENTITIES!
T
Flesh and blood (sinful humanity) can't enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Flesh and blood (physical humanity - renewed creations) can enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus was and is 100% God and 100% Man but never fell to sin. He ascended into Heaven in a physical body but was both Spirit and Man and will remain this way forever.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
J
Jhn 14:16 KJV - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26 KJV - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26 KJV - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16:7 KJV - Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jhn 16:8 KJV - And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Jhn 16:9 KJV - Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Jhn 16:10 KJV - Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Jhn 16:11 KJV - Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
It is the Holy Spirit that, (if we allow the work,) creates the new bodies while we are here.
Jhn 14:26 KJV - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26 KJV - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16:7 KJV - Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jhn 16:8 KJV - And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Jhn 16:9 KJV - Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Jhn 16:10 KJV - Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Jhn 16:11 KJV - Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
It is the Holy Spirit that, (if we allow the work,) creates the new bodies while we are here.
J
Interesting
So we are to ignore very plainly written scripture for it may well be unreliable.
So although there is no verse of scripture in the bible that states flesh and blood will enter Heaven, we are to ignore Paul who plainly states flesh and blood will not enter the kingdom of Heaven
Originally Posted by mark54
He is also right that Christ is not possessed of flesh and blood in Heaven, for flesh and blood cannot enter Heaven(1Cor15:50)(Mark)
Jesus does NOT have a flesh and blood body now in heaven(ECCL12&13)
Now you took issue with the above two statements, and condsidered them errors. I have asked you if you believe Christ now dwells in Heaven in a body of flesh and blood. You have thus far not answered the question, which surpises me. For I don't see how you can take issue with the above two statements if you do not know if Christ dwells in Heaven in a body of flesh and blood or not.
How can you criticise statements if you have no firm opinion as to whether they are accurate or not. I don't understand
Can I ask you once more
Do you believe Christ dwells now in Heaven in a body of flesh and blood?
So we are to ignore very plainly written scripture for it may well be unreliable.
So although there is no verse of scripture in the bible that states flesh and blood will enter Heaven, we are to ignore Paul who plainly states flesh and blood will not enter the kingdom of Heaven
Jesus does NOT have a flesh and blood body now in heaven(ECCL12&13)
Now you took issue with the above two statements, and condsidered them errors. I have asked you if you believe Christ now dwells in Heaven in a body of flesh and blood. You have thus far not answered the question, which surpises me. For I don't see how you can take issue with the above two statements if you do not know if Christ dwells in Heaven in a body of flesh and blood or not.
How can you criticise statements if you have no firm opinion as to whether they are accurate or not. I don't understand
Can I ask you once more
Do you believe Christ dwells now in Heaven in a body of flesh and blood?
Christ refers to the Body anointed by oil, i.e. Jehovah.
C
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Co 15:48-50 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
1Co 15:48-50 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
J
These bodies are the imperishable that are raised, (reared).
Gen 5:24 KJV - And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.
Hbr 11:5 KJV - By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Gen 5:24 KJV - And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.
Hbr 11:5 KJV - By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
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It is so easy to see actually.... All we have to ask is.... Jesus asked the Father to make us all perfectly one.... AS THEY ARE ONE... God in Jesus, Jesus in God... How then would God make us one, PERFECTLY one with eachother and HIM...
The answer from the Bible.... Exactly how God made the number of men about 5000...ONE ...PERFECTLY ONE!!! Well let us first look at the facts... There were assembled around 5000 men,that is 5000 SOULS and 5000 hearts... Then God send Peter filled with the Holy Ghost and he preached to these 5000 men, and they prayed, the place was SHAKEN where they were assembled together, and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost... This is how God does it. This is the ONLY way any person can be ONE WITH GOD! This is the ONLY way JEsus and Father are ONE! ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART ONE SOUL ONE WILL ONE HOLINESS ONE GOD!
Eph 4... There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The answer from the Bible.... Exactly how God made the number of men about 5000...ONE ...PERFECTLY ONE!!! Well let us first look at the facts... There were assembled around 5000 men,that is 5000 SOULS and 5000 hearts... Then God send Peter filled with the Holy Ghost and he preached to these 5000 men, and they prayed, the place was SHAKEN where they were assembled together, and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost... This is how God does it. This is the ONLY way any person can be ONE WITH GOD! This is the ONLY way JEsus and Father are ONE! ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART ONE SOUL ONE WILL ONE HOLINESS ONE GOD!
Eph 4... There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Tell me Crossnote, when Christ rose from the grave on thethird day, do you believe he could have again been crucified on the cross?Could man once again have put Christ to death? If not something had changed, Asyou keep mentioning this time I hope you will respond to the question. Pleaseshow me the scripture that says when Christ ascended into Heaven he did so inthe EXACT image of which the disciples saw him for the last time?
You assume much, but it is simply assumption.
Now, if Christ is fully man and fully God in Heaven, in otherwords you believe he exists now as he did on earth, and he is possessed of abody of flesh and blood, does this mean that death can still hold power overChrist?
When Christ returns could man put him to death again? IfChrist is still fully man in Heaven must that not be the case? A body of fleshand blood is mortal, perishable. The body that is sown
Perishable must be raised imperishable, it is sown a naturalbody but raised spiritual body.
And as we haveborn the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the manfrom Heaven. I declare to you brothers, flesh and blood cannot inherit thekingdom of God(1Cor15:49&50)
So how is the likeness of the man from Heaven different fromthe earthly man? According to you the heavenly man resides in a body of fleshand blood. A body of flesh and blood is mortal, not immortal.
Who,being in very nature[SUP][a][/SUP] God,
did not consider equality with God something to begrasped,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[SUP][b][/SUP] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And being found in appearanceas a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore God exaltedhim to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that at the name ofJesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]and every tongueconfess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father
So is Christ now still made nothing Crossnote? Can he stillbe made obedient unto death? When Christ was in human likeness he could. Onlyto you Christ is fully God and fully man in Heaven residing in a body of fleshand blood as he did when he walked this earth.
Jesus said:
At theresurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven(MATT22:30)
The writerof Hebrews states:
Are notall angels ministering spirits sentto serve those who will receive salvation
Heb1:14
Christreigns now in Heaven and on earth for the Father has put everything under hisfeet. All authority has been given to Christ by the Father, but Christ does notreign in a body of flesh and blood
Now, pleasegive me the scripture that states Christ reigns now in a body of flesh andblood. If you cannot, it is just your personal opinions, based on what otherspreach I assume. Therefore there is nothing further to discuss.
You assume much, but it is simply assumption.
Now, if Christ is fully man and fully God in Heaven, in otherwords you believe he exists now as he did on earth, and he is possessed of abody of flesh and blood, does this mean that death can still hold power overChrist?
When Christ returns could man put him to death again? IfChrist is still fully man in Heaven must that not be the case? A body of fleshand blood is mortal, perishable. The body that is sown
Perishable must be raised imperishable, it is sown a naturalbody but raised spiritual body.
And as we haveborn the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the manfrom Heaven. I declare to you brothers, flesh and blood cannot inherit thekingdom of God(1Cor15:49&50)
So how is the likeness of the man from Heaven different fromthe earthly man? According to you the heavenly man resides in a body of fleshand blood. A body of flesh and blood is mortal, not immortal.
Who,being in very nature[SUP][a][/SUP] God,
did not consider equality with God something to begrasped,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[SUP][b][/SUP] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And being found in appearanceas a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore God exaltedhim to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that at the name ofJesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]and every tongueconfess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father
So is Christ now still made nothing Crossnote? Can he stillbe made obedient unto death? When Christ was in human likeness he could. Onlyto you Christ is fully God and fully man in Heaven residing in a body of fleshand blood as he did when he walked this earth.
Jesus said:
At theresurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven(MATT22:30)
The writerof Hebrews states:
Are notall angels ministering spirits sentto serve those who will receive salvation
Heb1:14
Christreigns now in Heaven and on earth for the Father has put everything under hisfeet. All authority has been given to Christ by the Father, but Christ does notreign in a body of flesh and blood
Now, pleasegive me the scripture that states Christ reigns now in a body of flesh andblood. If you cannot, it is just your personal opinions, based on what otherspreach I assume. Therefore there is nothing further to discuss.
You seem to be saying the same as ECCL, though he did not put the emphasis on the Holy Spirit but simply the unity of agreement. That unity comes from the Holy Spirit, there is no other way. So I agree with you, that is how we are one, no other way possible
Then make my joy complete, being like-minded, having the same love, being one is Spirit and purpose
Phil2:2
Then make my joy complete, being like-minded, having the same love, being one is Spirit and purpose
Phil2:2