Do you support female pastors?
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Volumes of what? Freewriting?
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Why complain White (the kook, LOL, never heard a person called to ministry 'that' God forgive us all for our unsupport to your called in that 'eternal' work).
Abideinme, why you say Meyers doesn't preach the gospel and Christ crucified?
How uninformed am I? Do tell.
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Bottom line: Who God has put in charge of masses (through proven FRUIT of salvation) let no man interfere with God's work. And, if 'man,' like Israelites', don't want want God's best laid plans, which was God over the people, ajd, Izzy'S complaints made Saul King, then so be it.
God will still work through man's imperfect choices!!!!!!
Stop bashing Meyers, stop bashing White, just realize God is STILL at work, making banana bread out of bruised, overripe bananas, so to speak
And, also, are you not understanding of we are not to 'sola verse' our Scripture. And as I recall, after this verse in 1 Tim. 2:12: ' I suffer not a woman to teach (over a man)or have authority...'
Is this verse in 13 : Adam was formed first and then Eve.
This verse speaks of 'order,' and, wouldn't it be nice if Paul made a closing statement in 13 like, 'Adam was formed first, therefore, man is ALWAYS in charge'
But, no, Paul did not say any such thing!
Right, ohzone? Sola Scripture
So what if Meyers is not ordained by men, wha matters is ordination by God and if God has her 'fruitfully' saving lives, then, she is an instrument/ vessel of His work, pure and used to help women know God and my guess is a lot of formerly abused men will be opting for her words from God over a man preacher's.
Gods ways are not ours nor His thoughts.
But we have the mind of Christ, hut, we sure don't have the mind of God. So, quit thinking for Him
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Why complain White (the kook, LOL, never heard a person called to ministry 'that' God forgive us all for our unsupport to your called in that 'eternal' work).
Abideinme, why you say Meyers doesn't preach the gospel and Christ crucified?
How uninformed am I? Do tell.
---------
Bottom line: Who God has put in charge of masses (through proven FRUIT of salvation) let no man interfere with God's work. And, if 'man,' like Israelites', don't want want God's best laid plans, which was God over the people, ajd, Izzy'S complaints made Saul King, then so be it.
God will still work through man's imperfect choices!!!!!!
Stop bashing Meyers, stop bashing White, just realize God is STILL at work, making banana bread out of bruised, overripe bananas, so to speak
And, also, are you not understanding of we are not to 'sola verse' our Scripture. And as I recall, after this verse in 1 Tim. 2:12: ' I suffer not a woman to teach (over a man)or have authority...'
Is this verse in 13 : Adam was formed first and then Eve.
This verse speaks of 'order,' and, wouldn't it be nice if Paul made a closing statement in 13 like, 'Adam was formed first, therefore, man is ALWAYS in charge'
But, no, Paul did not say any such thing!
Right, ohzone? Sola Scripture
So what if Meyers is not ordained by men, wha matters is ordination by God and if God has her 'fruitfully' saving lives, then, she is an instrument/ vessel of His work, pure and used to help women know God and my guess is a lot of formerly abused men will be opting for her words from God over a man preacher's.
Gods ways are not ours nor His thoughts.
But we have the mind of Christ, hut, we sure don't have the mind of God. So, quit thinking for Him
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Paul commended many for their good work in furthering the gospel,and,some of those thanked, if you read Rom.16 where it says " Mary who labored much for us " and then it says others who are of note among the apostles apostles who also were in Christ before me and I believe maybe Junia is a girls name and their others to like Julia e who is a saint so definitely women did work of. helping Paul but appointed and called to do by God .
These women may or may not have been pastors , probably not but they certainly were used by the Lord , likely speaking authoritative words in preaching Christ crucified
These women may or may not have been pastors , probably not but they certainly were used by the Lord , likely speaking authoritative words in preaching Christ crucified
God meant women and men to work together, with men leading and women supporting them. It isn't that the work of one is more important than the other, just different.
God has given positions of leadership to women. Debrah was a judge and prophet, Huldah a prophet. Ester saved a whole nation. Paul called Priscilla a "helper in Christ", and Phoebe was a deaconess.
When men don't step up to the plate and do the job they are supposed to do, women take over. Often, it means filling in both roles, as they must lead with no support. God uses women for His work when men shirk.
God has given positions of leadership to women. Debrah was a judge and prophet, Huldah a prophet. Ester saved a whole nation. Paul called Priscilla a "helper in Christ", and Phoebe was a deaconess.
When men don't step up to the plate and do the job they are supposed to do, women take over. Often, it means filling in both roles, as they must lead with no support. God uses women for His work when men shirk.
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Noone leads we are all servants Peter said to be examples. Theres no plate.
A woman is never going to fill a mans role. She better just be who she is and
let the Holyspirit run the church.
Woman are supporters and helpers by design and Yes we have to work together.
If not were not a body.
This mantra about shirking men is getting old. Men have been fallen and sinful since the garden.
Ask the question why are there no men. The church needs to answer that. Not reinvent the church.
We were already told God places them in the body as He sees fit not us. Maybe the Holyspirit
shut your church down. Because i know Hes got plenty of men somewhere
So this answer that woman need to take pastor positions because men wont is a lie.
Big fat pants on fire lie.
A woman is never going to fill a mans role. She better just be who she is and
let the Holyspirit run the church.
Woman are supporters and helpers by design and Yes we have to work together.
If not were not a body.
This mantra about shirking men is getting old. Men have been fallen and sinful since the garden.
Ask the question why are there no men. The church needs to answer that. Not reinvent the church.
We were already told God places them in the body as He sees fit not us. Maybe the Holyspirit
shut your church down. Because i know Hes got plenty of men somewhere
So this answer that woman need to take pastor positions because men wont is a lie.
Big fat pants on fire lie.
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I've been biting my tongue on this subject for quite some time, probably over a year and I notice this subject comes up quite a bit so I'd like to say something.
I see both sides defending and justifying.
Paul did say that he didnt allow for a woman to be in authority over a man
Its against Gods design
from the beginning
God asked man to rule over the earth
God said that man would also rule over his wife
Yes its true some may take that to an extreme which abuses their position.
Yet at the same time in our day and age where feminism is taught so predominantly does this lend to make it easier for a man to take on his role
or for him be more easily relieved of it?
Lets take changing diapers for instance.
If the wife is always changing the diapers why would the man step in?
If she stopped I bet he'd start changing a few diapers
Since where in the bible does it say
Men are to be the leader BUT if they dont step up feel free ladies ?
A lot of times a woman will act in haste, this needs to be done now ..NOWWW
While a man sits back being patient and waiting for the right time, especially true when God is telling him to wait upon the Lords timing
Men and women are created DIFFERENT
FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE
A womans purpose was not to fill a mans shoes
Do any ladies really wish to bring that judgement upon themselves
Isnt that self exaltation?
isnt that what Satan got kicked out of heaven for?
Is satan instilling the same jealousy in woman he had himself for man when God created man.
(some may be thinking HUH? does anybody think that satan wasnt just a little bit jealous when he found out God was gonna create man, an inferior being to the angels and have him rule over earth) especially after all satans devoted time to being Gods right hand man.
Arent we told whoever exalts THEMSELF will be humbled
And why would a lady wish to take on the role of what Man was created for by our maker anyway?
Shouldnt she instead be wishing to take on her own role as created?
I dont get this
Why the self justification for wanting to be "equal to man"
Using instances like Deborah
Deborah herself said, this isnt the way it should be, not the way things are intended
She even said they would be shamed for it having to happen this way.
Ok so a man steps up and takes control of a situation and then is suddenly labeled as being controlling.
Is this because someone didnt get their way?
Are women stepping up because they see mens not filling their roles or more because they're being taught more things like
Just look out for you girlfriend.
How often today are the churches actually teaching Gods design within our created roles.
Granted not often are men being taught to be leader in a Godly manner.
So then what happens, is they are left to learn on their own doing the best they can with what theyve been offered.
I also notice a lot of ladies saying where are all the godly men?
A lot of us are sitting back waiting for women to relinquish the worldly view of independance in lieu of being a follower and having faith that God leads the man and relays the info to the woman as in the case of Adam and Eve and Abraham and Sarah. To see the faith in God that even when the man could perhaps be wrong at least she did whats right and followed and God works things for good to those who love him. EVEN WHEN ABRAHAM WAS WRONG
Just because the man may "appear" wrong in some situations doesnt lend to the lady to also do wrong to correct the situation.
God will do the correcting.
Especially the reason we are given this scripture:
1 Peter 3:1
Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives
Does this say if the husband isnt doing what he is suppose to be that the wife step up and take over?
Does it say if the man is wrong to do what you want and make yourself happy or is there a larger responsibility here God asks of a woman.
On the contrary, it says that her Godly (not worldly) behavior will be the thing which enlightens him to his own correction so that he may be corrected by God or that he may judge himself:
4Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
Yes their is neither greek nor jew, male or female(in spirit) suggesting we all have equal ACCESS to God, even if our particular roles are different.
Many should see that while we have examples to follow in the bible it is so honest that it tells not just the good things but the bad as well and that there are examples as are many examples in the bible of what not to do
(one easy example is Samson being an obvious man of God being used for Gods purpose but yet a womanizer who was in the company of a prostitute)
One should have the discernment to see that as well as noting that listening to Delilah instead of leading her was to his folly
Same as when God said to Adam, because you have listened to your wife this is your discipline.
Now please dont take this out of context, look at the context in what happened there and the reasons behind WHY the Lord did what he did.
Notice the woman was basing her decisions upon her emotions.
Adam and Eve was another example of WHAT NOT TO DO
I mean look what happened
For men to NOT sit back and give in to enticement or temptation or oiling the squeaky wheel just to stop it from squeeking.
At the same time women should refrain from testing a man to see if he is made of the fiber worthy of offering her submission to.
Much the same as God doesnt want to FORCE us to follow him men dont wish to HAVE to force or convince a woman to submit either.
Ive seen some women who test a man until he finally does this
It can be exhausting, until he finally says ferget it too much trouble if she is unwilling to follow of her own accord.
Now what would happen if more and more ladies were given the opportunity to lead the churches outside of what is only outlined within Gods word?
Wouldnt that then open up more opportunity for Jezebel (who called herself a prophetess)to infiltrate the structure and order we so put our own faith into.
One thing that Christ said in Revelation he had against the church of Thyatira.
Not an example for women to take on themselves to issue role reversals
That in itself is rebellion against Gods order.
If men arent stepping up in your arena I would suggest more that let God deal with them and convict them and encourage them to do what they need to be doing, as opposed to trying to take their place which only enables them to be lazy.
Ok so now its time perhaps for part of the discernment
A lot of times God tells us something and its difficult for people to accept it because at times its not laid out
THE REASONS behind why he asks of us what he does.
You have kids?
You ever tell them to do something or not do something?
Have you ever found they keep testing your boundaires in defiance until....
you finally explain to them the reason WHYYYYY...I dunno Not to go to sleep while chewing bubble gum?
I'll offer my perspective and you can flame on it afterward
Men and women are created different. for a different purpose
Not our own purpose mind you, but Gods pourpose
Now men are created as the providers, as the builders, often with a less emotionally and more logical mathematical based way of thinking.
In other words they dont often use their emotions to think for them.
Men being able to seperate their emotions can be a detriment in an intimate relationship but thats not what were talking about here.
Men are problem solvers and troubleshooters by nature. Its what we do its what were made for and theres a reason God made us this way and one of them is to be able to lead.
On the other hand, a lady is created the more caring, compassionate feeling emotional helper and provider...why? because thats what is needed to balance a family. These are the qualities which help to nurture children, to show a man compassion and love in ways that are not inherent to his own character.
Now I Understand that YES women are CAPABLE of doing what a man is called to do, there are many women who are level headed and can and are able to fill a mans shoes.
But if we look closely, dont we find that women often come from a stance of how something "makes them feel"
having a tendency to teach based more upon their emotions
I have often seen where they will take scripture to justify or back their emotions as opposed to simply using fact.
The scripture guard the heart for example
Ive seen ladies take this to mean guard it from being hurt, and using it as an excuse to justify their emotions based upon past bad experiences.
Yes often experiences from men granted.
Isnt this coming from a stance of issues and emotion again though?
There should be no issues intertwined with truth and Gods word
Guard the heart means to guard it FROM
becoming bitter, resentful, spiteful, rebellious ie:hardened so that one CAN experience Gods love and exhibit Christ to others as our heart is the wellspring of life and Jesus the lifegiving water.
Yes I agree men need to step up to their role but also not abuse it
But this means that a lot of women also have to willingly step down
Not filling those roles until a man is ready but leaving those roles open so only men can fill them.
Now as far as women wanting to be equal
Lets take it from the other side
What if a man said, Oh you wanna be equal ok lets be equal, I wanna be equal too I can do what a woman can
I seen this video where men have mammory glands too and are able to produce milk, hey honey hand me the baby and I'll breast feed him so you can take a break, equal is equal you want it fair right?
Is that not just slightly unactractive? and just something inherently wrong in the nature about it.
Do you guys(I mean girls) really want equal?
Or would you not rather say
"Just git out there and chop some wood so I can get a fire started and make dinner."
Its not that women are inferior,
its only that we are here for different roles, different purposes
Lets use the military as an example
A private may be very capable of conducting the generals job, a colonel may advise the general but is not endorsed to take his place if what the general does is not agreed upon.
You know that verse where it says a woman is suppose to have long hair
And then it adds, And because of the Angels
Does anyone actually think Paul was being humorous or making a funny there or does anyone see that there is an order and a hierarchy within Gods kingdom to be recognized
EVEN AMONG THE ANGELS
and if their is such among the angels and they dont question their own purpose of their creation (well 1/3 of them did at one time but that didnt work out to their advantage) then isnt it quite clear that Gods order also extends to us humans as well
Isnt it outlined in the word of his our roles as created we are suppose to believe in and follow and not cherry pick what we like and dont like?
If one woman leads the congregation then doesnt emotions come into play for other women thinking well she did it so why cant I
fair fair give me fair
I have a secret for all of ya, the bible doesnt say life will be fair
In fact we are promised our reward to be in heaven and instead we have a job here to do and a lot of it involves trials hardship and persecution and stand all tests to bring us to the point of perseverence
Rev 2
3You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
1 Pet 2:19-23 A man does a fine thing when he endures pain, with a clear conscience towards God, though he knows he is suffering unjustly. After all, it is no credit to you if you are patient in bearing a punishment which you have richly deserved! But if you do your duty and are punished for it and can still accept it patiently, you are doing something worthwhile in God's sight. Indeed this is your calling. For Christ suffered for you and left you a personal example, so that you might follow in his footsteps. He was guilty of no sin... Yet when he was insulted he offered no insult in return. When he suffered he made no threats of revenge. He simply committed his cause to the One who judges fairly.
So if a woman wishes to be led and she not be married then obviously turn to Gods word first
If she requires interpretation who's next in line?
Perhaps allow the men to do their job and seek a pastor
If she be married isnt it written that if a woman has a question to ask her husband at home?
What happens when she doesnt and then seeks the viewpoint of an abundance of others such as her sister, her mother or an abundance of friends until she gets the answer that lines up with her(emotions) the most.
Isnt it also said that if women are to teach they are called to teach the other women to be subject to their husbands at home, to teach the children, to be keepers of the home
Because if the man is doing his job he is out working and obviously has not as much time to be being a keeper of the home while still being the leader.
I see a lot of spite and resentment by ladies being bitter of the purpose of their own creation, which in my view looks like being in contempt of their own creation.
This too would be rebellion toward God
I mean arent the ladies a little ticked by a lot of men not filling their role
Does that not also look like being in contempt of their creation?
A reluctancy to taking on the role were all called for
As well as a non-submissive attitude toward the authorities in place by our creator
I sincerely apologize if this post offends anybody especially the ladies out there some of which are actually very good teachers for being able to separete emotion and use logic and reasoning in good measure to do Gods good will.
But what sort of better Christian testimony and leadership could they be as teachers for the women who dont understand Gods reasons behind what he asks of us.
And to be fair, us men didnt really ask for our role neither
Its a lot of responsibility always studying, thinking and looking ahead and sacrificing of ourselves so that we dont just try to make ourselves happy for the moment in which we live.
We didnt ask to be provider, emotional supporter, spiritual leader, protector from the enemy even to the point of sacrificing our life if need be for another.
Ask yourself, if you go camping and a bear comes who grabs the kids and hides behind the truck and who chases off the bear?
And while the woman is sitting back feeling safe and secure, the man puts his life on the line,
We didnt ask for that but were just made for that sort of thing.
You wanna switch?
Who builds the bridges, who builds the houses, who invents the cars to get us to work and the store, who is built for hard labor all the live long day?
You wanna switch while we take care of the home and the ladies go figure out
on their own, how to fix their car, how to drive a truck, how to level a pad and how deep to pour the concrete for the foundation to support the weight of a house. How many volts does it take to not have too much line loss over a given distance to provide power from one location to the next, which is better and safer alternating current or direct current for the same given situation, wash the dishes in running water or fill the sink with soapy water so each dish comes out coated with a greasy film again? All these questions and more.
It was men before, yes women are "capable" we can all agree.
But if we think about it a lot of these things women wouldnt know had it not been for men the ones who did so from the beginning first teaching it to them
Instead of ladies taking mens place trying to fill their roles, a lot of these women could be helping (helper hint hint) to encourage the men to be fulfilling their own God created roles.
And since God runs a kingdom of order, not a democracy of popular vote...
this also calls for submission to authority.
When I hear women suggest that they wish to be equal as if they are somehow inferior I believe they missed the mark entirely.
In a way they are actually called to be more if they havent gotten this yet.
Within part of the role of their creation a ladies submission to man is the only example we have so that we are shown how to submit to Christ.
That should be quite an honor not to be shunned.
I see both sides defending and justifying.
Paul did say that he didnt allow for a woman to be in authority over a man
Its against Gods design
from the beginning
God asked man to rule over the earth
God said that man would also rule over his wife
Yes its true some may take that to an extreme which abuses their position.
Yet at the same time in our day and age where feminism is taught so predominantly does this lend to make it easier for a man to take on his role
or for him be more easily relieved of it?
Lets take changing diapers for instance.
If the wife is always changing the diapers why would the man step in?
If she stopped I bet he'd start changing a few diapers
Since where in the bible does it say
Men are to be the leader BUT if they dont step up feel free ladies ?
A lot of times a woman will act in haste, this needs to be done now ..NOWWW
While a man sits back being patient and waiting for the right time, especially true when God is telling him to wait upon the Lords timing
Men and women are created DIFFERENT
FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE
A womans purpose was not to fill a mans shoes
Do any ladies really wish to bring that judgement upon themselves
Isnt that self exaltation?
isnt that what Satan got kicked out of heaven for?
Is satan instilling the same jealousy in woman he had himself for man when God created man.
(some may be thinking HUH? does anybody think that satan wasnt just a little bit jealous when he found out God was gonna create man, an inferior being to the angels and have him rule over earth) especially after all satans devoted time to being Gods right hand man.
Arent we told whoever exalts THEMSELF will be humbled
And why would a lady wish to take on the role of what Man was created for by our maker anyway?
Shouldnt she instead be wishing to take on her own role as created?
I dont get this
Why the self justification for wanting to be "equal to man"
Using instances like Deborah
Deborah herself said, this isnt the way it should be, not the way things are intended
She even said they would be shamed for it having to happen this way.
Ok so a man steps up and takes control of a situation and then is suddenly labeled as being controlling.
Is this because someone didnt get their way?
Are women stepping up because they see mens not filling their roles or more because they're being taught more things like
Just look out for you girlfriend.
How often today are the churches actually teaching Gods design within our created roles.
Granted not often are men being taught to be leader in a Godly manner.
So then what happens, is they are left to learn on their own doing the best they can with what theyve been offered.
I also notice a lot of ladies saying where are all the godly men?
A lot of us are sitting back waiting for women to relinquish the worldly view of independance in lieu of being a follower and having faith that God leads the man and relays the info to the woman as in the case of Adam and Eve and Abraham and Sarah. To see the faith in God that even when the man could perhaps be wrong at least she did whats right and followed and God works things for good to those who love him. EVEN WHEN ABRAHAM WAS WRONG
Just because the man may "appear" wrong in some situations doesnt lend to the lady to also do wrong to correct the situation.
God will do the correcting.
Especially the reason we are given this scripture:
1 Peter 3:1
Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives
Does this say if the husband isnt doing what he is suppose to be that the wife step up and take over?
Does it say if the man is wrong to do what you want and make yourself happy or is there a larger responsibility here God asks of a woman.
On the contrary, it says that her Godly (not worldly) behavior will be the thing which enlightens him to his own correction so that he may be corrected by God or that he may judge himself:
4Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
Yes their is neither greek nor jew, male or female(in spirit) suggesting we all have equal ACCESS to God, even if our particular roles are different.
Many should see that while we have examples to follow in the bible it is so honest that it tells not just the good things but the bad as well and that there are examples as are many examples in the bible of what not to do
(one easy example is Samson being an obvious man of God being used for Gods purpose but yet a womanizer who was in the company of a prostitute)
One should have the discernment to see that as well as noting that listening to Delilah instead of leading her was to his folly
Same as when God said to Adam, because you have listened to your wife this is your discipline.
Now please dont take this out of context, look at the context in what happened there and the reasons behind WHY the Lord did what he did.
Notice the woman was basing her decisions upon her emotions.
Adam and Eve was another example of WHAT NOT TO DO
I mean look what happened
For men to NOT sit back and give in to enticement or temptation or oiling the squeaky wheel just to stop it from squeeking.
At the same time women should refrain from testing a man to see if he is made of the fiber worthy of offering her submission to.
Much the same as God doesnt want to FORCE us to follow him men dont wish to HAVE to force or convince a woman to submit either.
Ive seen some women who test a man until he finally does this
It can be exhausting, until he finally says ferget it too much trouble if she is unwilling to follow of her own accord.
Now what would happen if more and more ladies were given the opportunity to lead the churches outside of what is only outlined within Gods word?
Wouldnt that then open up more opportunity for Jezebel (who called herself a prophetess)to infiltrate the structure and order we so put our own faith into.
One thing that Christ said in Revelation he had against the church of Thyatira.
Not an example for women to take on themselves to issue role reversals
That in itself is rebellion against Gods order.
If men arent stepping up in your arena I would suggest more that let God deal with them and convict them and encourage them to do what they need to be doing, as opposed to trying to take their place which only enables them to be lazy.
Ok so now its time perhaps for part of the discernment
A lot of times God tells us something and its difficult for people to accept it because at times its not laid out
THE REASONS behind why he asks of us what he does.
You have kids?
You ever tell them to do something or not do something?
Have you ever found they keep testing your boundaires in defiance until....
you finally explain to them the reason WHYYYYY...I dunno Not to go to sleep while chewing bubble gum?
I'll offer my perspective and you can flame on it afterward
Men and women are created different. for a different purpose
Not our own purpose mind you, but Gods pourpose
Now men are created as the providers, as the builders, often with a less emotionally and more logical mathematical based way of thinking.
In other words they dont often use their emotions to think for them.
Men being able to seperate their emotions can be a detriment in an intimate relationship but thats not what were talking about here.
Men are problem solvers and troubleshooters by nature. Its what we do its what were made for and theres a reason God made us this way and one of them is to be able to lead.
On the other hand, a lady is created the more caring, compassionate feeling emotional helper and provider...why? because thats what is needed to balance a family. These are the qualities which help to nurture children, to show a man compassion and love in ways that are not inherent to his own character.
Now I Understand that YES women are CAPABLE of doing what a man is called to do, there are many women who are level headed and can and are able to fill a mans shoes.
But if we look closely, dont we find that women often come from a stance of how something "makes them feel"
having a tendency to teach based more upon their emotions
I have often seen where they will take scripture to justify or back their emotions as opposed to simply using fact.
The scripture guard the heart for example
Ive seen ladies take this to mean guard it from being hurt, and using it as an excuse to justify their emotions based upon past bad experiences.
Yes often experiences from men granted.
Isnt this coming from a stance of issues and emotion again though?
There should be no issues intertwined with truth and Gods word
Guard the heart means to guard it FROM
becoming bitter, resentful, spiteful, rebellious ie:hardened so that one CAN experience Gods love and exhibit Christ to others as our heart is the wellspring of life and Jesus the lifegiving water.
Yes I agree men need to step up to their role but also not abuse it
But this means that a lot of women also have to willingly step down
Not filling those roles until a man is ready but leaving those roles open so only men can fill them.
Now as far as women wanting to be equal
Lets take it from the other side
What if a man said, Oh you wanna be equal ok lets be equal, I wanna be equal too I can do what a woman can
I seen this video where men have mammory glands too and are able to produce milk, hey honey hand me the baby and I'll breast feed him so you can take a break, equal is equal you want it fair right?
Is that not just slightly unactractive? and just something inherently wrong in the nature about it.
Do you guys(I mean girls) really want equal?
Or would you not rather say
"Just git out there and chop some wood so I can get a fire started and make dinner."
Its not that women are inferior,
its only that we are here for different roles, different purposes
Lets use the military as an example
A private may be very capable of conducting the generals job, a colonel may advise the general but is not endorsed to take his place if what the general does is not agreed upon.
You know that verse where it says a woman is suppose to have long hair
And then it adds, And because of the Angels
Does anyone actually think Paul was being humorous or making a funny there or does anyone see that there is an order and a hierarchy within Gods kingdom to be recognized
EVEN AMONG THE ANGELS
and if their is such among the angels and they dont question their own purpose of their creation (well 1/3 of them did at one time but that didnt work out to their advantage) then isnt it quite clear that Gods order also extends to us humans as well
Isnt it outlined in the word of his our roles as created we are suppose to believe in and follow and not cherry pick what we like and dont like?
If one woman leads the congregation then doesnt emotions come into play for other women thinking well she did it so why cant I
fair fair give me fair
I have a secret for all of ya, the bible doesnt say life will be fair
In fact we are promised our reward to be in heaven and instead we have a job here to do and a lot of it involves trials hardship and persecution and stand all tests to bring us to the point of perseverence
Rev 2
3You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
1 Pet 2:19-23 A man does a fine thing when he endures pain, with a clear conscience towards God, though he knows he is suffering unjustly. After all, it is no credit to you if you are patient in bearing a punishment which you have richly deserved! But if you do your duty and are punished for it and can still accept it patiently, you are doing something worthwhile in God's sight. Indeed this is your calling. For Christ suffered for you and left you a personal example, so that you might follow in his footsteps. He was guilty of no sin... Yet when he was insulted he offered no insult in return. When he suffered he made no threats of revenge. He simply committed his cause to the One who judges fairly.
So if a woman wishes to be led and she not be married then obviously turn to Gods word first
If she requires interpretation who's next in line?
Perhaps allow the men to do their job and seek a pastor
If she be married isnt it written that if a woman has a question to ask her husband at home?
What happens when she doesnt and then seeks the viewpoint of an abundance of others such as her sister, her mother or an abundance of friends until she gets the answer that lines up with her(emotions) the most.
Isnt it also said that if women are to teach they are called to teach the other women to be subject to their husbands at home, to teach the children, to be keepers of the home
Because if the man is doing his job he is out working and obviously has not as much time to be being a keeper of the home while still being the leader.
I see a lot of spite and resentment by ladies being bitter of the purpose of their own creation, which in my view looks like being in contempt of their own creation.
This too would be rebellion toward God
I mean arent the ladies a little ticked by a lot of men not filling their role
Does that not also look like being in contempt of their creation?
A reluctancy to taking on the role were all called for
As well as a non-submissive attitude toward the authorities in place by our creator
I sincerely apologize if this post offends anybody especially the ladies out there some of which are actually very good teachers for being able to separete emotion and use logic and reasoning in good measure to do Gods good will.
But what sort of better Christian testimony and leadership could they be as teachers for the women who dont understand Gods reasons behind what he asks of us.
And to be fair, us men didnt really ask for our role neither
Its a lot of responsibility always studying, thinking and looking ahead and sacrificing of ourselves so that we dont just try to make ourselves happy for the moment in which we live.
We didnt ask to be provider, emotional supporter, spiritual leader, protector from the enemy even to the point of sacrificing our life if need be for another.
Ask yourself, if you go camping and a bear comes who grabs the kids and hides behind the truck and who chases off the bear?
And while the woman is sitting back feeling safe and secure, the man puts his life on the line,
We didnt ask for that but were just made for that sort of thing.
You wanna switch?
Who builds the bridges, who builds the houses, who invents the cars to get us to work and the store, who is built for hard labor all the live long day?
You wanna switch while we take care of the home and the ladies go figure out
on their own, how to fix their car, how to drive a truck, how to level a pad and how deep to pour the concrete for the foundation to support the weight of a house. How many volts does it take to not have too much line loss over a given distance to provide power from one location to the next, which is better and safer alternating current or direct current for the same given situation, wash the dishes in running water or fill the sink with soapy water so each dish comes out coated with a greasy film again? All these questions and more.
It was men before, yes women are "capable" we can all agree.
But if we think about it a lot of these things women wouldnt know had it not been for men the ones who did so from the beginning first teaching it to them
Instead of ladies taking mens place trying to fill their roles, a lot of these women could be helping (helper hint hint) to encourage the men to be fulfilling their own God created roles.
And since God runs a kingdom of order, not a democracy of popular vote...
this also calls for submission to authority.
When I hear women suggest that they wish to be equal as if they are somehow inferior I believe they missed the mark entirely.
In a way they are actually called to be more if they havent gotten this yet.
Within part of the role of their creation a ladies submission to man is the only example we have so that we are shown how to submit to Christ.
That should be quite an honor not to be shunned.
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Again I refer everyone to my post on page 7. God does use women to teach , etc. You must put Paul's letter in proper context The word Paul was using in the Greek is actually "chatter" No one is to chatter while God's word is being taught. Women or men. I hate to break it to you, Paul did not use a English Bible. He spoke Greek, Hebrew etc. And those languages is the tongues you should be familiar with if not, then be confused.
In the light of these scriptures, you have to take them into account on this page 7 by Nathan3 > scroll down to the middle of the page.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/15870-do-you-support-female-pastors-7.html
Again Paul did not own a English Bible. And he did not speak English in that letter to that church ;we get those teachings about women on.
Rather those letters are in Greek. So everyone should look up those teachings in the Greek Paul's letter is in. If does not always carry well into English. just doesn't . The English Bible is not the final say for any scholar.Nor should be for any Christian. Only the manuscript language the Bible is translated from.
In the light of these scriptures, you have to take them into account on this page 7 by Nathan3 > scroll down to the middle of the page.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/15870-do-you-support-female-pastors-7.html
Again Paul did not own a English Bible. And he did not speak English in that letter to that church ;we get those teachings about women on.
Rather those letters are in Greek. So everyone should look up those teachings in the Greek Paul's letter is in. If does not always carry well into English. just doesn't . The English Bible is not the final say for any scholar.Nor should be for any Christian. Only the manuscript language the Bible is translated from.
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Lol Abiding, good point,
when as you noted I also dont see how the Greek could be referring to simple chatter in the congregation when the Scripture is clear
God does not permit a woman to teach OR have authority over a man. (meaning both)
My attempt was to try and explain the progression of how Gods order of things can become diminished by society and the reasons behind why God asks of us what he does within the lines of respect and cooperation as a follower of him.
Some may view this as an attack of some sort toward the opposite sex and I wonder why also when that is not Gods message either.
Sometimes a message is ill received when someone is told they arent allowed to do something or other, especially when it is gender related, and may take it upon themselves to prove otherwise, its part of the fleshy human nature in the world we live in couples with the attempts of political correctness which can contradict Gods perfection. I also wonder why people would take the stance to fight God when were called to be servants according to his will and guidelines.
What guidelines...well we have a certain book to follow when there is any question. Some things I may not like myself but Im still willing to follow as his servant.
Understanding Gods reasons helps to understand Gods word
We should have a mind to choose to believe Gods word first before we read it....as opposed to reading it and then deciding if we wish to believe it.
when as you noted I also dont see how the Greek could be referring to simple chatter in the congregation when the Scripture is clear
God does not permit a woman to teach OR have authority over a man. (meaning both)
My attempt was to try and explain the progression of how Gods order of things can become diminished by society and the reasons behind why God asks of us what he does within the lines of respect and cooperation as a follower of him.
Some may view this as an attack of some sort toward the opposite sex and I wonder why also when that is not Gods message either.
Sometimes a message is ill received when someone is told they arent allowed to do something or other, especially when it is gender related, and may take it upon themselves to prove otherwise, its part of the fleshy human nature in the world we live in couples with the attempts of political correctness which can contradict Gods perfection. I also wonder why people would take the stance to fight God when were called to be servants according to his will and guidelines.
What guidelines...well we have a certain book to follow when there is any question. Some things I may not like myself but Im still willing to follow as his servant.
Understanding Gods reasons helps to understand Gods word
We should have a mind to choose to believe Gods word first before we read it....as opposed to reading it and then deciding if we wish to believe it.
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I am so sad to read the biggotry here on a Christian site, but it is from a few, & it is to be expected...I am not a theologian. I refuse to argue Scripture. I love the Lord and I know He sees me as equal to a man. He writes it. My love of the Lord, my reading of His Word, is that Man is indeed in authority over women, that Christ is in authority over man...that we are, as men, are to treat women as we would Christ. Simple?? and yet men twist it. Women teach in the Bible, women heal, are in authority, are equal......women teach in churches in the Bible. My God has placed women in authority when men have not been available or simply have not stepped up to the role OR when they have been the best choice, hallilijah!!. Please...read the whole Word, prayfully. Did God not create us equal? <><
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The Holyspirit is not obligated to uphold every church that men build.
If you belong to one where there are no men in positions ordained by God and scripture.
Then ask yourself a question. Why? Before making up a story why you need to disobey.
Rev. in the letters to the churches talks of having the candlestick removed.
And i rekon if that happened the members can keep things going and why
not disobey and run it any way you want! If the Holyspirit isnt in it who cares?
If you belong to one where there are no men in positions ordained by God and scripture.
Then ask yourself a question. Why? Before making up a story why you need to disobey.
Rev. in the letters to the churches talks of having the candlestick removed.
And i rekon if that happened the members can keep things going and why
not disobey and run it any way you want! If the Holyspirit isnt in it who cares?
